White House Saves The Life Of A Murdering Raping Illegal Immigrant.

sync0s

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Then you dont have a clue as to what goes on in those facilities...
What in the world does that have to do with what I said? Are we in the same conversation here?

Somehow you seem to think that by me not going to a foreign shit jail I shouldn't be against water boarding...?

I have never been in jail in my life..... does that mean that I shouldn't have any say in the laws that dictate humanity?
 

olylifter420

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I never said anything that you just said. Im just saying that, how do you know that americans have not been tortured by other countries?

that is all, you dont have to get so pissy about it bro!



What in the world does that have to do with what I said? Are we in the same conversation here?

Somehow you seem to think that by me not going to a foreign shit jail I shouldn't be against water boarding...?

I have never been in jail in my life..... does that mean that I shouldn't have any say in the laws that dictate humanity?
 

beardo

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I have repeated Ben Franklin to many times, and I now refuse to do so.

If you torcher (SUSPECTED) terrorists, you can torcher Americans. The other added detail to this is that none of those torchered 'terrorists' have ever seen a court room. Effectiveness is completely irrelevant.

1) Do you know how easy it is for the government to turn on a normal American citizen with views of desent and torcher them for "information?"
2) Our humane treatment of prisoners is there also to prevent American citizens captured internationally from being treated in that manner.
3)
4) How can you be okay with torchering somebody who may be innocent for information? How would you feel about your friend who doesn't smoke pot being torchered by the DEA for information on your grow op??
They already can and do torture U.S. citizens, they even murder them and subject them to inhumane treatment and unlawful imprisonment and hold people without trial or charges. Courts ruled that our prison conditions are unconstitutional and gave them three years to address some of the issues. Did you know if you get sick or are sick in jail they might just let you suffer and die? medical treatment is not always available or adequate-
 

sync0s

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They already can and do torture U.S. citizens, they even murder them and subject them to inhumane treatment and unlawful imprisonment and hold people without trial or charges. Courts ruled that our prison conditions are unconstitutional and gave them three years to address some of the issues. Did you know if you get sick or are sick in jail they might just let you suffer and die? medical treatment is not always available or adequate-
I know this... and I can't believe American citizens are okay with this.

Also, I wasn't pissed olylifter420. I was confused on your point.
 

beardo

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They killed him so he was not saved....
Did they go on and kill him anyways? with approval of the white house? or against the orders to stay the execution? I feel better today knowing their is one less illegal immigrant pissing and shitting in my country.
 

GreatwhiteNorth

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He murdered and raped her in a horrible way and received his sentence - Justice in my book and I for one do not miss him.
Mexican National Shouts 'Viva Mexico!' as He's Executed in Texas


Published July 07, 2011
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/07/white-house-seeks-delay-mexican-mans-execution-as-supreme-court-mulls-case/?test=latestnews#content

As the lethal injection began taking effect, the Mexican National convicted of the brutal rape and killing of a teenage girl in 1995 shouted, "Viva Mexico!" just before he died at a Texas prison.
Efforts by Humberto Leal's attorneys to halt the execution fell short, with the U.S. Supreme Court turning back a stay request and Texas Gov. Rick Perry refusing to grant a pardon. He was pronounced dead at 6:21 p.m. local time.

In his last minutes, Leal repeatedly said he was sorry and accepted responsibility.
"I have hurt a lot of people. ... I take full blame for everything. I am sorry for what I did," he said in the death chamber.
"One more thing," he said as the drugs began taking effect. Then he shouted twice, "Viva Mexico!" at a Texas prison.
President Obama, the State Department and Mexican authorities asked Texas for a last-minute reprieve, citing the U.N.-enforced 1963 Vienna Treaty, which requires foreign nationals who are arrested in foreign countries the right to access their consulates.
The U.S. Supreme Court denied Leal's request, calling his argument meritless.
In a 5-4 decision an hour before the execution, the majority wrote, “We have no authority to stay an execution in light of an 'appeal of the President,' presenting free-ranging assertions of foreign policy consequences, when those assertions come unaccompanied by a persuasive legal claim.”
After the decision, Sandra L. Babcock, an attorney for Leal, issued a statement linked to Twitter, saying her client will "suffer the consequences" of the U.S. stumbling on its commitment to rule of law.
"He will be executed tonight," she writes."Despite the fact that his right to consular assistance was violated."
Leal, who moved to the U.S. as a toddler, contended police never told him he could seek legal assistance from the Mexican government under the treaty -- and that such assistance would have helped his defense.
Details of the murder were particularly gruesome.
Adria Sauceda, 16, his victim, was found naked by authorities, according to court documents.
"There was a 30- to 40-pound asphalt rock roughly twice the size of the victim's skull lying partially on the victim's left arm," court documents read. "Blood was underneath this rock. A smaller rock with blood on it was located near the victim's right thigh.”
A "bloody and broken" stick roughly 15 inches long with a screw at the end of it was also protruding from the girl's vagina, according to the documents.
In his first statement to police, Leal said Sauceda bolted from his car and ran off. After he was told his brother had given detectives a statement, he changed his story, saying Sauceda attacked him and fell to the ground after he fought back. He said when he couldn't wake her and saw bubbles in her nose, he got scared and went home.
Last Friday, the Obama administration asked the U.S. Supreme Court to stop Texas from executing Leal, asking the court to delay the execution for up to six months to give Congress time to consider legislation that would enforce the U.N. treaty.
Congress had three years to pass the bill but did not. Hence, it was impossible to pass a bill that would spare Leal unless a stay is ordered.
Mexico's foreign ministry said in a statement that the government condemned Leal's execution and sent a note of protest to the U.S. State Department. The ministry also said Mexican ambassador Arturo Sarukhan attempted to contact the Texas governor, who refused to speak on the phone.
The governor's office declined to comment on the execution Thursday, but his office appeared to bristle at the idea of an international body influencing the state's sovereignty.
For 16 years, Leal has exercised his right to file appeals and motions so extensively, one judge in federal district court called his case "one of the most procedurally convoluted and complex habeas corpus proceedings" he ever reviewed.
Meanwhile, in San Antonio, Adria's father, Rene Sauceda, reportedly begins each morning by reading a South San Antonio High School newspaper clipping from May 25, 1995 -- just after the first anniversary of his daughter's death.
"I look at that every day," Sauceda, 64, told the San Antonio Express-News.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/07/white-house-seeks-delay-mexican-mans-execution-as-supreme-court-mulls-case/#ixzz1RWiUyyMb
 

londonfog

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Did they go on and kill him anyways? with approval of the white house? or against the orders to stay the execution? I feel better today knowing their is one less illegal immigrant pissing and shitting in my country.
so do you hate him because is a illegal immigrant pissing and shitting in OUR country or because of what he did ????
 

beardo

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so do you hate him because is a illegal immigrant pissing and shitting in OUR country or because of what he did ????
Both obviously it is what he did that is truly despicable the fact he should have not been able to commit this crime because he should not have been here is salt in the wound.
The fact is made in signifacant by the heniousness of his crime that even if he had become a good citizen instead of a child raping murderer after illegally immigrating he still would have been driving on our roads causing traffic jams and creating pollution and an increased demand for gas making gas prices higher and going to work at a job which makes it harder for you to find a job or reduces your pay for the job you do, he would be buying food from the store raising prices and lowering supply and he would then piss and shit polluting our water.
 

londonfog

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hmmm I guess that tells a lot about you...I dislike him for what he did to that poor child...Lot of illegals just come to make a better life for their family..I would never fault a man/woman for doing that let alone hate them
 

GreatwhiteNorth

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hmmm I guess that tells a lot about you...I dislike him for what he did to that poor child...Lot of illegals just come to make a better life for their family..I would never fault a man/woman for doing that let alone hate them
The portion of the article that mentioned the stick is simply not how one person should treat another, thus demonstrating a sub-human mentality. Act like a rabid animal & you should be treated like one. (Way to go Texas !)
There is a legal pathway to come to this country and make that better life - I would have no problems with immigration if everyone followed the same rules.
 

txhazard

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The guy deserved what he got, you do not do that to another human being and if you do you deserve a far worse fate that lethal injection.

Id expect no different if an american citizen did the same in mexico...even though life in a mexican prison would be more fitting...:hump:
 

londonfog

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The guy deserved what he got, you do not do that to another human being and if you do you deserve a far worse fate that lethal injection.

Id expect no different if an american citizen did the same in mexico...even though life in a mexican prison would be more fitting...:hump:
yes I agree he deserved what he got, but I would have let him talk to the Mexican council give him another trial if needed...trust me it would have been the same outcome...at least we can say we upheld our end of the treaty we agreed too
 

UncleBuck

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The guy deserved what he got, you do not do that to another human being and if you do you deserve a far worse fate that lethal injection.

Id expect no different if an american citizen did the same in mexico...even though life in a mexican prison would be more fitting...:hump:
Real justice would have been to let the girl's father into the evil bastard's cell for fifteen minutes with a baseball bat.
anybody ever hear of the line in the constitution about cruel and unusual punishment?

i know, i know. the constitution only matters when you are out blathering about your freedom and being taxed way too much already (despite taxes being at a modern low) :dunce:
 

UncleBuck

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for the record, i am completely against the death penalty, even for the most heinous crimes which are undisputed.

why? innocent people die under the death penalty, and we know this. better to let them sit in prison for their entire lives knowing that we never killed an innocent person in the name of "justice".
 
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