Who wants legal marijuana? Not so many Canadians as once thought, survey finds

VIANARCHRIS

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Ross Romaniuk/Postmedia/FileLegislation to legalize casual marijuana consumption is supposed to be introduced in parliament next spring.
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A large majority of Canadians wants marijuana to be legalized and made available for sale to every adult in the country, regardless of medical need. Right?

Maybe not. A new survey conducted by a major financial advisory company and obtained by the National Post ahead of its release casts some doubt on that piece of conventional wisdom. Deloitte LLP surveyed 5,000 Canadians 19 years and older this summer and found that only 40 per cent favour marijuana legalization, with almost as many opposed, throwing shade on one of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s key campaign promises from the 2015 federal election.

In B.C., the province most closely associated with pot production and consumption, 42 per cent of people surveyed were in favour of legalization, with 33 per cent opposed. Next door in Alberta, more people were actually opposed to legalization than in favour of it. In Ontario, 40 per cent were in favour with 36 per cent opposed, while Quebeckers were almost evenly divided.

The Deloitte findings seem at odds with results from similar but smaller surveys conducted earlier this year by other firms, when as many as 75 per cent of respondents nationwide said they supported legalization.

The latest survey comes just ahead of a final report from the federal Task Force on Marijuana Legalization and Regulation, to be delivered next month to Trudeau and his cabinet. Chaired by former Liberal cabinet minister Anne McLellan, the nine-person task force is meant to “provide advice for the design of a new legislative and regulatory framework” for recreational pot.




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Trudeau may never turn back from his commitment to make Canada the first G7 country to allow casual marijuana consumption, but implementing the scheme will be complicated. Legislation based on the McLellan report is supposed to be introduced in parliament next spring, but Canadians won’t be buying from government-sanctioned pot shops for some time yet.

Canada’s existing international treaty obligations may have to be “adjusted,” as bureaucrats working on the file acknowledged, in a briefing note sent to the prime minister and obtained earlier this year by The Canadian Press. But that’s just one of the serious challenges that will keep recreational pot on the back-burner.

Who will be allowed to grow marijuana that’s meant for the casual consumer? Where will it be sold, in what form, and at what potency? How much tax will Ottawa apply to the recreational-use product? What role will the provinces play? And what is the point — and predicted outcome — of all this?

According to Trudeau and his ministers responsible, the main objective behind legalization is the removal of criminal elements from pot production and sales. That could work. But don’t expect a big windfall to follow. Placing high taxes on legal pot would simply return consumers to the underground market.


Sean Gallup/Getty ImagesEven in B.C., the province most closely associated with pot production and consumption, only 42 per cent of people surveyed were in favour of legalization, and 33 per cent opposed.
Washington State fell into the “tax-the-hell-out-of-it” trap when it legalized recreational pot two years ago, and the black market flourished. State authorities had to scale back their marijuana taxation rates in order to direct consumers into sanctioned pot shops. Even so, illicit marijuana sales still account for about 28 per cent of the entire market, says Rick Garza, director of the Washington State Liquor and Cannabis Board.

Deloitte asked its 5,000 respondents — 1,000 of whom identified themselves as current recreational pot consumers — to name their preferred retail channel for legal weed. One-quarter of those surveyed chose “pharmacies,” while 18 per cent said they prefer privately owned pot shops, and another 18 per cent picked “new government-owned marijuana retailers.” Existing government and private liquor stores, groceries and supermarkets were less popular options.

Perhaps it’s little wonder the Shoppers Drug Mart retail chain announced this week it has applied for a federal licence to sell medical marijuana to patients with a prescription.


Currently, Canada’s 40,000-plus medical marijuana patients with valid prescriptions are allowed to grow their own weed, buy from other individual growers with personal-use permits, or purchase from large-scale, highly scrutinized and regulated “licensed producers” who distribute their products using mail delivery only.

There are no federally approved, bricks-and-mortar pot shops in Canada at present, only illicit dispensaries in such places as Vancouver and Toronto. Should a chain such as Shoppers get a toehold in the medical marijuana distribution network, asking permission to sell recreational pot seems a logical next step.

If there’s one thing on which everyone seems to agree, the appetite for weed remains strong, despite warnings from the McLellan task force and others about potentially adverse impacts to health. Deloitte reports that based on its survey results, the annual market for legal weed in Canada ranges from $4.9 billion to $8.7 billion, which is in line with projections from financial analysts. Deloitte also sees a “potential upside” of at least $22.6 billion per year in Canada, should marijuana be legalized.

And that is why government-approved pot is coming to a neighbourhood near you, eventually, like it or not.
 

cannadan

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in my neighbourhood I would say 7 of the ten houses around me grew mj this summer...
thats how I know they did not rip me off....they all had their own....
The other three house do not smoke mj but are all in favor of mmj and legal mj.
so I would say 100 per cent if you surveyed here...
 
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VIANARCHRIS

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in my neighbourhood I would say 7 of the ten houses around me grew mj this summer...
thats how I know they did not rip me off....they all had there own....
The other three house do not smoke mj but are all in favor of mmj and legal mj.
so I would say 100 per cent if you surveyed here...
Polls have consistently shown about 60% are in favour. Who exactly did they poll?...I doubt it was random.
 

cannadan

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my grow got dive bombed on by an army helicopter this summer and
after I had spots on my leaves....hmmm and before that I had a very healthy grow going,,,,
and it was severe....on every sucker leaf
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I remember paraquat....just me being paranoid maybe it was leftover...so they were using it up....;
just a thought.....maybe it was environmental..anyone else seen this.??
 
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PKHydro

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my grow got dive bombed on by an army helicopter this summer and
after I had spots on my leaves....hmmm and before that I had a very healthy grow going,,,,
and it was severe....on every sucker leaf
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I remember paraquat....just me being paranoid maybe it was leftover...so they were using it up....;
just a thought.....maybe it was environmental..anyone else seen this.??
WTF....really?

That's messed up...not sure I'd be smoking it. How close did the helicopter get? Define dive bombed... did you see them spray anything?
 

doingdishes

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my grow got dive bombed on by an army helicopter this summer and
after I had spots on my leaves....hmmm and before that I had a very healthy grow going,,,,
and it was severe....on every sucker leaf
View attachment 3816075 View attachment 3816076
I remember paraquat....just me being paranoid maybe it was leftover...so they were using it up....;
just a thought.....maybe it was environmental..anyone else seen this.??
can you take it to a lab and have it analyzed? i know it sounds weird but try to find out what it is.
take it to a plant shop..??
 

cannadan

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I could not see from inside my back porch but was only 15 feet away from my garden and the helicoptor was super low..
our neighbour was also there....she had to cover her ears it was so loud.
I was like wtf and headed for the door but could not see them as they cut over the houses....
I did not see any spray coming down but within a few days all the leaves started to go like that
I was hoping it was something somebody else had seen before like some sort of bug or plant virus.
I am not smoking any of it since it was stolen during a break in ....maybe it was meant to be or kharma....
I do have some stuff they left... maybe....I can get some one to check it...just not sure where.
 

cannadan

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no not puke....
every leaf suffered that same fate as pictured.
one plant was completely killed as in every leaf turned spotted and died back into the budding plant.
all of the other plants had it and they slowly died out as in the bigger leaf first ....followed by the smaller leaf..
I have had three consecutive perfect crops in this location...with all organic soil and no ferts
then this.....hmmmm
 

cannadan

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good idea...just not sure ,,,,but maybe I can take it to the college here
they have an agriculture program....they might have a botanist....
anyways kinds freaked out here...is this the way of the future...?
they will flyover and crop dust your plants?
man I'm too paranoid...the plants maybe needed something...I don't know
 
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The Hippy

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Never seen that myself ever Dan. But it does look like spots where a liquid may have landed. Random and round like a droplet of liquid. In a pattern like a spray would leave. Plus you seem to be indicating it was on all sides as well. Therefore eliminating someone spraying it from one side. Was it more prevalent at the top or bottom. From overhead would be the top and wider sides. Leaving the lower stuff intact and unharmed???Maybe. Do you have pics of it still standing after this happened?
Whatever it was was it sure was effective. I wonder if fuel droplets or exhaust spray from the chopper possibly.
 

cannadan

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the picture above if you click on it full size you can see the damage starting and is actually more prevalent
from the bottom biggest sucker leaves first.....
I was cutting them off at first and then it was just pretty much 80 percent of the leaf... small bud leaf and new growth
seemed okay but leaves of even newer growth began to show the same signs.
never thought of it but maybe...they jettisoned some fuel spray...or something more sinister....
I fucking hope not...
 
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The Hippy

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the picture above if you click on it full size you can see the damage starting and is actually more prevalent
from the bottom biggest sucker leaves first.....
I was cutting them off at first and then it was just pretty much 80 percent of the leaf... small bud leaf and new growth
seemed okay but leaves of even newer growth began to show the same signs.
Sounds more like a disease then to me. I'm stunned...but that's not unusual.
 

cannadan

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ya I think so too...but I could not get the low flyover out of my mind....
before it I saw no spotting all nice lush green.
 

cannadan

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nothing...i could see .... leaf just died back to the buds, so it would have been easy to trim,since most of the leaf had fallen off in the garden...
they looked and smelled great.... I did try some and it smoked okay..
after hanging for 6 days...before the robber...came.
 

cannadan

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http://www.clemson.edu/extension/hgic/pests/plant_pests/trees/hgic2000.html
I think I may have found it....and its not so sinister....just sucks...
cedar /apple rust...under crab apple and apple diseases.
We have cedars on one side and apple and a crab apple tree on the other side....
mmj grow in the middle....which to me means time to move the garden...
If mj is also susceptable to this fungus...I think maybe so....
found this one as well...more mj specific...http://www.ilovegrowingmarijuana.com/marijuana-diseases-leaf-septoria/
so a lesson for all outdoor growers....
 
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