Who you gonna call? Myth busters!
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Joomby
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That's the whole reason behind this thread. All "myths" are plausible until confirmed or busted.
Flowki
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- High amounts of P are required for big buds, along with high over all ppm
- N must be low during flower
- City water/synthetic fert will kill all micro biology
- More light is always better
- Light leak is guaranteed to hermy (not one you'd like to test though eh)
- Any product aimed toward the marijuana market is the best and worth extra $
- You can not re use soil/coco unless you stand it under a bleach water fall while zapping it with a laser. / Yeah, out of ideas now ;p.
- N must be low during flower
- City water/synthetic fert will kill all micro biology
- More light is always better
- Light leak is guaranteed to hermy (not one you'd like to test though eh)
- Any product aimed toward the marijuana market is the best and worth extra $
- You can not re use soil/coco unless you stand it under a bleach water fall while zapping it with a laser. / Yeah, out of ideas now ;p.
Dr.Nick Riviera
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almost forgot, 99% of the claims L.E.D users dole out,,MYTH!!!
Dr. Who
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For ANY "blurple" unit - even the stupid $3000.00+ 1K actual output with UV (no it don't) and HIR (Emerson effect is over rated without proper spectral balance) ended NM banded ones.....
Now you COB guys,,,,,I'm interested!
Johnny Lawrence
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If you're talking about older tech, then I agree.
But if you are referring to cobs or quantums, then by all means, state your case.
Kingrow1
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Ill state the case....
Bs light spectrums that try to make hps look inferior when hps still grows fat ass dank buds, somthing your saying aint right there and even led growers have arguments over full spectrum vs par and ppfd etc.
Secondly you need to admit plus get over the fact that multiple 3watt light sources is inferior to single point light sources.
Cob growers now rubbish the claims they made about the pre cob leds they once danced round like they were some amazing alien tech or what not. You want me to believe a bullshitter twice....?
Lastly a kilowatt hour of electricity from my national supplier is the same wether you run led or hps or even flouro, leds are not cheaper to run on this basis.
The decent led growers appreciate these scientific facts and dont run round preaching like hps is dead and far from. Leds are great just not the
e be all and end all like some seem to want once they shell out a grand for the latest tech.
Dr.Nick Riviera
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all that PLUS, led gets you higher, tastes better, all that other crap. Funny that a LED grow requires more nutrients,yet that relates to being good somehow?Ill state the case....
Bs light spectrums that try to make hps look inferior when hps still grows fat ass dank buds, somthing your saying aint right there and even led growers have arguments over full spectrum vs par and ppfd etc.
Secondly you need to admit plus get over the fact that multiple 3watt light sources is inferior to single point light sources.
Cob growers now rubbish the claims they made about the pre cob leds they once danced round like they were some amazing alien tech or what not. You want me to believe a bullshitter twice....?
Lastly a kilowatt hour of electricity from my national supplier is the same wether you run led or hps or even flouro, leds are not cheaper to run on this basis.
The decent led growers appreciate these scientific facts and dont run round preaching like hps is dead and far from. Leds are great just not the
e be all and end all like some seem to want once they shell out a grand for the latest tech.
Joomby
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HI DOCTOR NICK!...i grow out doors so my knowledge on the subject is nill but some buddies of mine grow hydro. And they have mostly always used high pressure sodium. But they gave leds a go and told me leds are OK they run a bit cooler and draw less power(one of them is a high voltage lecy and confirmed it) but over all they both said for bigger yields and when growing a large number of plants leds can't compare to HPS but said for a beginner with only a few plants leds are a good start
Dr. Who
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BZZZT! Wrong! If your building soils from scratch with EWC and/or Cow, or any manure for that matter. What is one of the components your adding, one of the main reasons for using it? If you didn't use one or both of these things and build from raw components. You won't have shit for available living bio's......you're soil would fail to grow well, at all!I'll take a stab at a myth since ive not offered one...
'Adding bennies, mycos, am fungi etc to organic soil is pointless'....
Living bio's, in the form of bacteria and fungus.....BTW "mycos" are fungus's and their are lots and lots of strains...
I also do some simple bio AACT applications in veg and bloom.
Now those prepackaged - dip your roots, or sprinkle on one's are basically useless in organic runs!
You're mistaken on several points here too. In dealing with COB LED'sIll state the case....
Bs light spectrums that try to make hps look inferior when hps still grows fat ass dank buds, somthing your saying aint right there and even led growers have arguments over full spectrum vs par and ppfd etc.
Secondly you need to admit plus get over the fact that multiple 3watt light sources is inferior to single point light sources.
Cob growers now rubbish the claims they made about the pre cob leds they once danced round like they were some amazing alien tech or what not. You want me to believe a bullshitter twice....?
Lastly a kilowatt hour of electricity from my national supplier is the same wether you run led or hps or even flouro, leds are not cheaper to run on this basis.
The decent led growers appreciate these scientific facts and dont run round preaching like hps is dead and far from. Leds are great just not the
e be all and end all like some seem to want once they shell out a grand for the latest tech.
HPS is inferior to COB spectral balance and production. It creates a longer bloom by not supplying more deeper blues that help proper finishing. I find HPS spectral delivery as lacking Nm banding that you get better trich production,potency and a more positive finish from. CMH too, and I'm about to test some duel arc bulbs that have 600w of HPS and 400w of MH. to see if that helps the "not enough blues" HPS, finish cleaner,faster!
In any artificial lighting for growing. If you supply multiple points of light in say 1 foot of separation from the others. You deliver less shading and better overlap/overall penetration for your intensity delivered. Less of the plant's outer branching turning in to the center - giving a more natural plant shape.....
Lastly, if the light draws less watts in use. No matter what your Kwatt hrs cost is.....You pay less for the same Kwatt hrs used in total!
Joomby
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Fungi is my best friend. I don't add it but wait for it grow naturally imo it's a good sign of soil balanceI'll take a stab at a myth since ive not offered one...
'Adding bennies, mycos, am fungi etc to organic soil is pointless'....
Johnny Lawrence
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You are off in so many ways.Ill state the case....
Bs light spectrums that try to make hps look inferior when hps still grows fat ass dank buds, somthing your saying aint right there and even led growers have arguments over full spectrum vs par and ppfd etc.
Secondly you need to admit plus get over the fact that multiple 3watt light sources is inferior to single point light sources.
Cob growers now rubbish the claims they made about the pre cob leds they once danced round like they were some amazing alien tech or what not. You want me to believe a bullshitter twice....?
Lastly a kilowatt hour of electricity from my national supplier is the same wether you run led or hps or even flouro, leds are not cheaper to run on this basis.
The decent led growers appreciate these scientific facts and dont run round preaching like hps is dead and far from. Leds are great just not the
e be all and end all like some seem to want once they shell out a grand for the latest tech.
1) I grow "fat ass dank buds", both under HPS and LED.
2) 3 watt diodes is the older tech I was referring to.
3) What is "rubbish" about current COB claims? I used to run a pair of 600 watt lights in a 4x8. It would get hot during summer months, and canopy distance(a low ceiling garage woudn't allow me to run a Gorilla tent with extensions) was often a problem. I've since replaced both lights with 900 watts of Cobs - a mixture of Citizens and 3590s. The tent produces the same weight it did before, the buds are just as fat, it's consuming 300 watts less, temperatures are far less of an issue, I've further reduced wattage by decreasing the intake/exhaust fan settings, and canopy distance is no longer an issue. I also no longer have to buy a pair of Hortilux bulbs every 12 to 18 months.
4) LEDs are cheaper to run, because you can run the same space with less wattage. An 800 watt COB setup will match a 1000 watt HPS in terms of performance.
5) I never said HPS is dead. I still run 2 of them. I'm going to phase them out over the next year or two though.
Johnny Lawrence
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Idiots will claim that. And LED manufacturers who make other similar outrageous claims. No real LED company claims that, nor will anybody who actually understands LED tech.
Who in the hell are you people talking to???
Johnny Lawrence
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Wrong. ^This kind of bs is exactly what this thread is about. I'm somebody who recently converted an all HPS room to all LED. My results tell a different story.
Joomby
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Al
All Banter is good banter man that's what this thread is about. Like I said my knowledge on lights is nill just what I have been told
Dr.Nick Riviera
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riu LED section,lol
Johnny Lawrence
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Nobody reputable that frequents that section makes any of the claims that you say they're making. If you could source a bunch of threads/posts that indicate otherwise, please provide them. Or better yet, go over to the LED section and create a thread about how you're sick of everyone at RIU claiming that LEDs make tastier weed that gets you higher.
Johnny Lawrence
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If you had mentioned 420 or grasscity, you might have a point.
Johnny Lawrence
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What you were told is incorrect.