Why do you choose to grow organic?

InfidelUniversity

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So you're saying there is no health benefit from consuming organically grown weed as opposed to synthetics?
Wrong wording actually since smoking anything can't be healthy, so you suppose the hazards to smoking organically grown weed are less than the hazards of smoking chemically grown weed?
Ions are ions, we are the periodic table of elements as is everything around us.....As long as you flush and dont use cheap ferts or toxic pest and disease products and pgr's, health issues isn't something too worry about with fert compounds. There are more heavy metals in our organic systems plus we have a hard time flushing, so who knows maybe organics is more toxic to smoke... I love organics, I only smoke and eat concentrates tho.....
 

Wetdog

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To be honest, I really doubt that very many could tell the difference between organic and properly grown chem based weed. I never could and neither could my friends in a side by side, same strain from clones taste test.

How many have even tasted organic weed if they didn't grow it themselves? For sure nothing bought on the street and even dispensarys you just have their word for it.

The properly grown is a big part. Probably 90%+ of new/inexperienced growers overdo it with the nutes, even organics. But with chems, yes it makes it very easy to taste, especially with the " the directions call for a tsp, so a tbl ought to really kick it" crowd and then 8-12 additives on top of that for juicy, super buds.

We've all been there and done that. Just hopefully outgrew it with experience.:wink:

I make my own mix, always have, so it's not anymore work to add organic amendments while I'm mixing and a top dress with Espoma down the line as needed.

I can certainly taste the difference in the container veggies that I grow, so I guess there's a difference in the smoke. I just can't tell. A proper cure goes a long way no matter the style though.

Wet
 

MjMama

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In a world that uses chemicals for everything, Mj is one thing I can control what goes into it. I get to know what went in to it and that it's safe. I'm a mother a want to be here for my kids. I own it to them to take care of my health in any way I can. It's not easy to eat a perfectly healthy diet, but I can smoke perfect herb!

Plus I've seen chemical pesticides burn plants, chemical nutes burn plants, etc. Its a no brainer what the plants prefer. If I'm going for yield and performance, organics is an obvious choice. And if I ever want to sell my product to a club, more and more of them test for chemicals. A trend I personally am happy about. :)
 

fatality

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Organics just makes sense. It's so crazy how this one fucking plant can change your life if you just let it. I am really glad for the medical movement. I would be way happier if it was decriminalized but we are working on it. Seriously though, this plant has changed my whole gardening aspect, along with my whole outlook on life. Sounds kind of corny huh?, but it really has. At first I was all about chemicals because I didn't know any better. After a lot of reading and testimony from friends, I am now all organic and will always be now. It's not just about the MJ though guys, it's about everything we put into our bodies that is mass produced the quickest and most efficient way to turn a profit. That's not the way. MJ has made me realize that my body needs more respect than I have given it since my existence on earth. I have taken what I have learned about organics for marijuana growing and now I incorporate that into EVERYTHING I grow. I want to live as healthy as possible and what better way to do that than to put nothing but organic grown and organic smoke in your bodies. I don't eat fast food no more. I can't wait to start my first ever complete organic garden this year. And I owe all this knowledge to one plant, and that plants name is marijuana. It's crazy because my pops always was organic this and that and I never understood it. This plant is really a very powerful plant, it'll open your world to new possiblilities if you haven't already been introduced to them. Being able to grow legally has forever changed me as a person, and it is for the better. So I think we all need to take some time and just think about what we pollute our bodies with on a daily basis. Organics is fuckin awesome, Marijuana, I love you, thank you for brightening my path to enlightenment. ok I'll shut the fuck up now
 

Shipman1

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I have a question. My very first time growing. I have used ffof from the start along with veg. tabs from nirvana. About the 3rd week I started using 1/4 strength fox farm big bloom and big grow through veg stage, After 8 weeks veg. 2' tall. They are in flower now.(1 week) I am now using FF big bloom and tiger bloom. All feedings are every other watering. My question is: is my grow still going to be all organic, even though I used FF nutes. I thought I read somewhere that Fox Farm big grow, big bloom and tiger bloom were organic?
 

bud nugbong

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^ they have organic ingredients but are not considered OMRI certified. I use them too and consider my grows 90% organic because i start with an all organic soil mix.
 

SpicySativa

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Hmm... I think calling Tiger Bloom and Big Bloom 90% organic is a bit of a stretch, but that's OK. Next time, shoot for 100% and you'll never look back. :)
 

Rrog

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Check out Selenum toxicity in fruits and veggies. We've been eating them since we've been told they're good for us, and of course they are. But it's common to see high Selenium levels in women, and that's linked to breast cancer.

How'd the Selenium get into the soil, and then into our plants, veggies, fruits, and now into us? Fertilizer, of course.

It's easy for us to get down really quick to "a proton is a proton" but the fact is that is clearly not the whole picture. Chemical fertilizers, hormones, antibiotics and pesticides are overused everywhere on the planet. I'm not adding to it in my grow room, especially with how cheaply I grow now, and it's the best weed I've ever smoked.

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Ions derived from organics or from fertilizer compounds isn't so much the point. When someone grows organically they don't use systemic or synthetic pesticides, herbacides, fungicides, chelators and PGR's.....

Indoor organics is great and will help reduce our global impact, but If your working an outdoor plot, organics is "essential" for long term health and viability of that plot......
 

jane's phasm

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I've smoked plenty of herb in my life but I can't say if any of it has been truly organic, so when I made the decision to grow my own it was really the only choice I had to try and distinguish mine from the rest and take the experience of growing and smoking to the next level. I was persuaded mostly by this forum and the "Teaming with Microbes" book.
 

SpicySativa

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Liquid synthetic nutrients are in forms (salts and chelated compounds) that dissolve in water and are already in a form that the plant can uptake immediately. If you're a hydro guy, you might think that's fantastic. What this means is that when the plant needs to draw moisture upward, it also draws up nutrients at whatever concentration they happen to be at in the water within the pore spaces of your soil, regardless of wheher thay are needed. There is no symbiosis between the plant and it's home.

In organics, your plant is in symbiosis with its surroundings.
 

DustBomb

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The plant doesnt use fish fert, or what ever fert.... Microbes break the shit down into simple NPK.... i'm for organics if its free other than that i just use synthetic and i dont see where more work it... takes not more than 30 sec to mix up a batch
 

jessica d

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I always noticed outdoors when we have a big storm the rain hits so hard the soil splashes up onto the buds. Indoors my buds hit the soil from being so heavy. I would much rather eat/smoke worm castings and mushroom compost then eat/smoke miracle grow. If you took a lick of MG "awful" it would kill you in the end I am sure. I do still grow with all methods and ways but for ill ppl there is no match. I have the choice between 10 strains in many methods of cultivation each but good organic soil and water is the medicine I always smoke. Not plants dosed with organics tho. The more I read this tho I wonder who really flushes there organics and uses 100% organics. So many variables:eyesmoke:
 

DustBomb

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hey whatever works for u.... i'm for whatever works but the method i use calls for a simple scoop and no PHing.
 

missnu

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Umm when I first started I made my plants look like hell with chem ferts...and I heard that organics were harder to mess up..and they are, but it also helped me to understand how all of the nutes work and what not, so I became a better grower for having used organic ferts...I could never get chem ferts right because the numbers made no sense to me..but with organics you have to understand how everything interacts with everything else...and now that I understand that I am able to use some synthetic fertilizers if wanted
 

missnu

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organics aren't any different at first, but once you get a good batch of soil going you don't have to use anything any longer...I just add carb booster to my soil when there is a plant in it, and I add some assorted guanos, worm castings, and some compost from outside...let all that sit, til a plant needs it again...water only...and carb boosters with no ill effects, but weed that is so sticky as to be inconvenient..
 

InfidelUniversity

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Check out Selenum toxicity in fruits and veggies. We've been eating them since we've been told they're good for us, and of course they are. But it's common to see high Selenium levels in women, and that's linked to breast cancer.

How'd the Selenium get into the soil, and then into our plants, veggies, fruits, and now into us? Fertilizer, of course.


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Oh crap, I take selenium supplements...........I heard this tho vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

CancerSeveral studies have suggested a possible link between cancer and selenium deficiency.[SUP][47][/SUP][SUP][48][/SUP][SUP][49][/SUP][SUP][50][/SUP] One study, known as the NPC, was conducted to test the effect of selenium supplementation on the recurrence of skin cancers on selenium-deficient men. It did not demonstrate a reduced rate of recurrence of skin cancers, but did show a reduced occurrence of total cancers, particularly for lung, colorectal and prostate cancers (Relative Risk 0.63). There was also a significant reduction in total cancer mortality (−50 %), although without a statistically significant change in overall mortality.[SUP][51][/SUP] The preventative effect observed in the NPC was greatest in those with the lowest baseline selenium levels.[SUP][52][/SUP] In 2009, the 5.5 year SELECT study reported selenium and vitamin E supplementation, both alone and together, did not significantly reduce the incidence of prostate cancer in 35,000 men who "generally were replete in selenium at baseline".[SUP][52][/SUP] The SELECT trial reported vitamin E did not reduce prostate cancer as it had in the alpha-tocopherol, beta carotene (ATBC) study, but the ATBC had a large percentage of smokers, while the SELECT trial did not.[SUP][52][/SUP] There was a slight trend toward more prostate cancer in the SELECT trial, but in the vitamin E only arm of the trial, where no selenium was given.
Dietary selenium prevents chemically induced carcinogenesis in many rodent studies.[SUP][53][/SUP] It has been proposed that selenium may help prevent cancer by acting as an antioxidant or by enhancing immune activity. Not all studies agree on the cancer-fighting effects of selenium. One study of naturally occurring levels of selenium in over 60,000 participants did not show a significant correlation between those levels and cancer.[SUP][54][/SUP] The SU.VI.MAX study[SUP][55][/SUP] concluded low-dose supplementation (with 120 mg of ascorbic acid, 30 mg of vitamin E, 6 mg of beta carotene, 100 µg of selenium, and 20 mg of zinc) resulted in a 30% reduction in the incidence of cancer and a 37% reduction in all-cause mortality in males, but did not get a significant result for females.[SUP][56][/SUP] A Cochrane review of studies concluded that there is no convincing evidence that individuals, particularly those who are adequately nourished, will benefit from selenium supplementation with regard to their cancer risk.[SUP][57][/SUP][SUP][58][/SUP] However, there is evidence selenium can help chemotherapy treatment by enhancing the efficacy of the treatment, reducing the toxicity of chemotherapeutic drugs, and preventing the body's resistance to the drugs.[SUP][59][/SUP] Studies of cancer cells in vitro showed that chemotherapeutic drugs, such as taxol and Adriamycin, were more toxic to strains of cancer cells when selenium was added.[SUP][60][/SUP][SUP][61][/SUP]
In March 2009, vitamin E (400 IU) and selenium (200 micrograms) supplements were reported to affect gene expression and can act as a tumor suppressor.[SUP][62][/SUP] Eric Klein, MD from the Glickman Urological and Kidney Institute in Ohio said the new study “lend credence to the previous evidence that selenium and vitamin E might be active as cancer preventatives”.[SUP][63][/SUP] In an attempt to rationalize the differences between epidemiological and in vitro studies and randomized trials like SELECT, Klein said randomized controlled trials “do not always validate what we believe biology indicates and that our model systems are imperfect measures of clinical outcomes in the real world”.[SUP][63][/SUP]
 

bud nugbong

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Im more concerned with inorganic pest control and even fungicides. I work on a farm and lets just say if commercially grown bud is grown like food crops then they are sprayed with insecticides, fiungicides, algaecides and all sorts of other chemical shit. stuff i would not want to be burning and inhaling. eating it is one thing,but i like my smoke as smooth as possible. Ive also heard they do some nasty shit with the brick packd mexibud.

so i guess the main reason is lung health. wich would lead to other problems.
 
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