Why Hydro Kicks Dirt's Ass ?

pharmacoping

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Good math but pushing everything to finish in 8 weeks seems like you are giving up the last two or so weeks of fina development.

I just harvested G13 Blueberry Gum at day 66 and it had amber tricomes and all but probably could have used another 10 days or so to finish.

regards,
to each his own, but amber trichs are already degraded thc molecules, and more time would have further degraded the mind active substance many seek. however, for the drool, or couchlock chinese eyes sleepy, amber is key. some people dumb down sativas this way to mellow out the upbeat nature.
All of my dozens of staple strains finish within 60 days, and critical + in 40 !!. Clear to milky white trichs is fully developed and ready for harvest, anything longer than that is personal preference for the degraded thc high. Remember that when a breeder says finishes in 60 days, this is in his perfect grow room. If yours doesnt match, the results will not be the same

peace
 

pharmacoping

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@marc88101 outdoor and soil is usually less expensive because the grower doesnt need to charge that much to make back his initial investment and some profit. think of all the electricity hydro requires in comparisson. now i thought this forum was talking about indoor organic soil vs indoor hydro..... expertly grown outdoor/greenhouse will be more potent and stankier than any hydro ever. you can use all the co2 and nutes you want, it still wont be as potent as properly grown outdoor/greenhouse organic cannabis. Lights used indoors get shit on by the natural sun

I have never seen lab reports showing your assumptin of more potency in dirt, could you provide us with a copy?
Yields are higher in the sun, a kabillion times more penetration than a grow light. True medical marijuana is very difficult to cultivate outdoors. Most has mildew, pests, eggs on or in it, and wont pass an inspection, for a cancer patient or such,...look up the cali dispensary lab reports, see for yourself. but, I agree, terpine profiles are slightly increased in dirt, but not because they're outside
 

JJFOURTWENTY

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If you don't like to constantly be fucking with shit and pushing the envelope, then soil is for you. It's really set it and forget it with that stuff. Hydro can be too, but it takes far more of a learning curve to get it that way.
 

pharmacoping

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I agree with you mystic...while soil is a tad bit slower, it remains much more user friendly. Personally I believe its more natural, because cannabis originally was grown in the ground. Just because you CAN grow hydro, doesnt make it any better. If anything I think hydro is worse when comparing finished product to organic soil. Its very rare to find a hydro grower who takes the time to set his/her room up properly, dials in growing environment & conditions, and allows full developement followed by a full flush to ensure cleanliness of the ending product. So many times have I picked up some hydro, and I can still taste leftover chemicals. At the end of the day, I'll take soil; the slightly slower method, over hydro every time. Growing cannabis isnt a friggin race. Anyone who knows anything about puffin grade a will agree that organic soil tastes the best.
I agree. It's interesting you mention flushing. Any serious hydro grower uses a quality proven system with charts and directions. All of these charts include tapering the nutrients to nothing towards the end of the cycle, similar to nature, and ends up using purewater in the end, requiring no conscience effort, or seperate function of flushing. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. In a hand watered dirt grow, this tapering is key to end product with little or no unburned carbs/nutrients remaining in the material. pros know that this can be spot checked using a brix meter(refractometer) to often check up on plants health, as well as the optimal complete "flush". There is no way to prove the plant is "flushed"without a brix meter. Ask your local testing lab for some "brix" readings of submitted bud.....its a real bummer awakening. mmmmm, yummmy heavy metals,nutes, and sugar in most.
 

forgetiwashere

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I have never seen lab reports showing your assumptin of more potency in dirt, could you provide us with a copy?
Yields are higher in the sun, a kabillion times more penetration than a grow light. True medical marijuana is very difficult to cultivate outdoors. Most has mildew, pests, eggs on or in it, and wont pass an inspection, for a cancer patient or such,...look up the cali dispensary lab reports, see for yourself. but, I agree, terpine profiles are slightly increased in dirt, but not because they're outside
actually being outsdide does add more flavour. sulight makes a huge difference which is why i use cmh in my grow as its closer to what the sun puts off

If you don't like to constantly be fucking with shit and pushing the envelope, then soil is for you. It's really set it and forget it with that stuff. Hydro can be too, but it takes far more of a learning curve to get it that way.
i find hydro easier believe it or not. to me hydro is science and soil is voodoo.
thats my opinion though but i stil dont think you can say one is better than the other. sure they are both different and they both have things that make them great but i still couldnt say i like one more than the other. thats whyi grow both lol. variety is the spice of life
 

pharmacoping

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Hi first post here,
After reading this gentleman's post I can't believe nobody caught on. He said 600ppm. This is one of the main keys in hydro that a lot of people don't realize. I see people run solutions at 1000, 1200, 1800 ppm which is just a huge waste of nutrients. This fellow knows his shit and I commend you sir!

Hydro vs. Soil. Depends on what you like. Hydro growers tend to be the ones that like to spend time with their grow and understand the fine nuances of growing. Each grow they fine tune and learn the plant and the various techniques at their disposal that better suit their goals. Hydro is a very "stylish" way of growing, by that I mean every hydro grower has their own way of doing things that better connects them to their passion. It moves from a craft to an art. Hydro guys like to "tinker" and get into the "zone" when they contemplate their next move whether it be to add something new, change ph, or whatever variable we like to mess with. It's just freaking fun.

This is not to say that soil growers aren't connected to their grow. A good soil grower will search high and low for the best ingredients available. They learn watering schedules and when deficiencies kick in and how to fix them and in the long run how to avoid them. Soil growers like to bring the outdoors indoors. Perhaps they feel it is more ethical to grow in a medium that the plant grows naturally in.

Either way it all depends on the grower and how they were indoctrinated into this endeavor. I have seen spectacular results either way.

I am dyed-in-the-wool hydro. In my opinion there is no better, cleaner, funner way to grow. Once a person gets over the mindset that you have to buy the most expensive solutions and additives and that there is a lot of hype out there then hydro is the most rewarding. I love instant gratification and hydro gives this to me. I can see the results of a change within 24-48 hours. I like learning the chemistry behind growing and if you take hydro seriously then it's imperative to know some chemistry. These are just some a few of the reasons I have chosen the hydro lifestyle.

However, my hats of to you guys that have your organic soil grows down to a science. I have never seen an organic hydro grow in my life though. I have seen people call hydro grows "organic" but they are not.

Organic vs. Inorganic. Sorry to break it to some of you but plants dont assimilate organic ions. Good organic growers understand this. Organic growers don't cultivate plants, they cultivate soil. The keep their "micro-beasties" happy which in turn keep their plants happy. In hydroponics we eliminate the micro-beasties and all that work is done in a lab.

The debate of taste and all that other nonsense is easily solved by what forgetiwashere said. Don't run so hot and learn how to flush properly. Treat flushing as if it were a feeding and no worries.

Really I could give two shits about how anyone grows as long as they are happy doing it. It is important though, to understand terminology if you want to debate the other side. Understand what hyro vs. soil means. And for Dog's sake learn what "organic" means.

Hydro 4 Life!
awesome !! finaly some real wisdom in the forum ! I hope you stick around. I mentioned cultivating soil in front of 90 people at a dispensary seminar, and only the owner agreed. unbelievable anti knowledge is perp'd around here in a big way, but will change soon!

great ethics and product, you sould be proud!
 

JJFOURTWENTY

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pros know that this can be spot checked using a brix meter(refractometer) to often check up on plants health, as well as the optimal complete "flush". There is no way to prove the plant is "flushed"without a brix meter. Ask your local testing lab for some "brix" readings of submitted bud.
I've often heard of using a Brix meter in advanced cultivation threads (primarily at the Farm), yet nobody has given input into HOW to actually go about using one. I also brew my own beer, so the investment could be justified.
 

JJFOURTWENTY

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Every time I see a thread like the link below, I'm glad I mastered soil growing. Yeah, every method requires practice and perfecting, but damn, the learning curve mistake dropoff is so stark for hydro.
That's because a shit ton of people on this site don't invest anywhere near the time, effort, and money to successfully grow in hydro.

To break it down simply: Hydro takes a lot more of an initial investment than soil. Done properly it'll run circles around soil. You think you can grow a tree outside?? Check out what the Formula One of hydroponic setups(MPB) can do:



 

smokinrav

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"you think you can grow a tree outside?"

Oh shit, ROFLMAO. No man, trees don't grow outside. Whatever could anyone have been thinking :lol:
 

pharmacoping

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That's because a shit ton of people on this site don't invest anywhere near the time, effort, and money to successfully grow in hydro.

To break it down simply: Hydro takes a lot more of an initial investment than soil. Done properly it'll run circles around soil. You think you can grow a tree outside?? Check out what the Formula One of hydroponic setups(MPB) can do:

+ Rep for the trees man, I know exactly what that takes..and another thing...You're Doing It Right !!!!!way to go
 

chrishydro

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Hydro is all I have done, I love it. I even grow every flower and vegging during the winter months in my setups. More work for sure but does not matter week or cucumber it, to me, is night and day. With that said my gf grows in soil and it does take longer but it works for sure. I think for me it is building all the stuff myself and then producing something cool no matter what the plant.
 

JJFOURTWENTY

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+ Rep for the trees man, I know exactly what that takes..and another thing...You're Doing It Right !!!!!way to go
Oh no dude, this ain't my grow, lol. I just pulled the pic off ICmag. One of the very few MPB grows I've seen (they're all on ICmag & the Farm) that's actually finished with the intended results.
 

JJFOURTWENTY

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"you think you can grow a tree outside?"

Oh shit, ROFLMAO. No man, trees don't grow outside. Whatever could anyone have been thinking :lol:
I'm saying it like "So YOU think you're the only one who can grow trees" outside. Bad wording on my part I suppose.
 

pharmacoping

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I've often heard of using a Brix meter in advanced cultivation threads (primarily at the Farm), yet nobody has given input into HOW to actually go about using one. I also brew my own beer, so the investment could be justified.
smash up leaf material, gather moisture, read the level. 9-12 is healthy weed, with lots of minerals and sugars, good time to harvest fruit, but not mj. bugs and disease love a brix below 8. keep it around ten till "flush" cut it when below 5. This is automatically achieved with a quality pre mixed nutrient system, without the need for ph adjustment, additives, or supplements, but a brix is an essential to maximize your dirt born quality.
 

missnu

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I kill things in hydro, but my plants in soil and coco look great...I use a cloner that is hydroponic of course, and once the clones have roots they go into soil or coco depending on which I am planning on using for the clone in question...if I leave the clones in the cloner too long, they start to get the hydro sickness I seem to cause...I check temps, and Ph, I know I am not overfeeding, but something just goes wrong...So...eff it...Hydro might be better if you know what you are doing...but my green thumb turns black if I stick it in water...
 

cues

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i find hydro easier believe it or not. to me hydro is science and soil is voodoo.
thats my opinion though but i stil dont think you can say one is better than the other. sure they are both different and they both have things that make them great but i still couldnt say i like one more than the other. thats whyi grow both lol. variety is the spice of life[/QUOTE]

Damn, 4 years wasted studying Soil Science!
However, both have their place.
My new baby 250w hydro set up (made from parts from my old veg room when I used to toke) currently holds 2 chilli plants, 2 bell peppers, 2 toms, 2 cucumbers, aubergines and basil plants. It's getting used as a feeder for the garden where they will go into soil. They were also germinated in soil.and transferred into the hydroton bare-rooted. I've never had a problem with the transplanting. I've also recently talked the g/f into letting me grow a single weed plant in there ready for my birthday!
 

colonuggs

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sunshine grows trees too... in 2 1/2 gallon potters






these were only 2 1/2 ft tall (out of the potter).... in 6 quart potter (1.5 gallon) but produced 6 oz per

 
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