Why I'm voting NO on prop. 19
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420God
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Are you blind, read the link. Don't state facts you have no proof of and that I very clearly just did.
Dan Kone
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I wasn't talking about individuals price gouging, I was talking about the entire system. I was talking about the market prices. From growing it to the time it hits the shelf of a dispensary there is like a 1000% markup. That's not any individual growers fault. That's a symptom of it being illegal.
That's a bunch of crap. No one is going to have to prove they bought it legally. And who are these people who walk around everywhere they go with more than an ounce for personal consumption? Really? Do you bring a QP with you everywhere you go for personal consumption? No, as I said, that's all a bunch of crap.
No there isn't. There is a ballot measure written, but it doesn't have the signatures required. It costs millions of dollars to do that. Who's going to pay for it?
Anyone can write a ballot measure, it's completely worthless if it doesn't get the required signatures.
I think cannabis can be medical, but not always. As other posters have pointed out, not everyone has a medical card.
Dan Kone
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So the drug cartels don't grow in Cali? Really?
BluffinCali
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Im all for legalization like most of the people, but if prop 19 would limit the growing space that I can already grow in as of now, then Im not for it, makes no sense for me to vote yes even though I would love to see full legalization. Now I have to admit I havent read the bill at all, Im going off what others have said about the 5x5 area which I couldnt even have one of my outdoor plants in that small of an area.
Dan Kone
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Prop 19 doesn't prohibit the rights of medical patients. That's just misinformation that is being spread. It's written into the prop that medical patients are exempt from that. I'll show you.
From prop 19:
health and safety section 11362.5 = prop 215.
It specifically states in prop 19 that it won't interfere with your rights as a medical patient.
BluffinCali
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If thats the case then I have no problem voting for it, my only concern was that of a restricted growing area, if I can still grow just what I do now, which is outdoor that will basically last me for a year, then Im all for it. I just want my 6 mature, 12 immature plants and Im all good, its never been about the money for me, besides the money I can save by growing my own and controlling what is used in the process.
stingmenot
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after reading through this thread i hear the greed of small business railing against the greed of big business. In my opinion a yes vote is a vote for marijuana.
chusett
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lol some one with 1 post.. yet still wise. I couldnt agree more.
The Ruiner
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Dude... your story is about wis-fucking-consin, not cali. And, the defendents "are believed to be illegal immigrants." Your "facts" aren't quite facts, or relevant.
I am talking about brick-shitty mexi-weed that has fuck tons of mold, stems, and seeds and god know what else - I know that shit comes from mexico, because I have family members who fucking grew it, and some that transported it at one time. I'm not fucking blind, I just hate it when people that don't even live in this state weigh in on shit they don't know about.
Instead of a piece of legislation that could seriously undermine the crappy mexi-cartels and the domestic weed-mafia, we have a piece that will only affect the mexican traffic and will legitimize the domestic. There will be no chance for small business/small grower entrepeneurial enterprise, unless you already have fuck-tons of money. The whole bill is set up for CA to follow Oakland, and then later for the nation to follow CA. If you can't see that this is monopoly, and intends to crush competition (which right now is MMJ small business/small growers) then I would say that you are blind.
veggiegardener
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Are you saying that there is language that protects the SIZE of medical grows?
Show me.
The Ruiner
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"Myth #10: Medical marijuana patients would be exempt from the initiative.
Fact: This is not exactly true. While amendments were made ostensibly to prevent the initiative from affecting current medical marijuana law, a careful reading of the initiative reveals that this is not, in fact, the case. Certain medical marijuana laws are exempt from the prohibitions the initiative would enact, while others are glaringly absent.
Cultivation is one such law that is noticeably non-exempt.[17] In spite of the fact that the tax cannabis Web site says otherwise, the only medical marijuana exemptions that the Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Initiative actually makes are with regard to possession, consumption and purchase limits, which only ensure that patients would still be allowed to buy medicine at dispensaries. The word “cultivate” is conspicuously absent. Whereas today a person with a doctor’s recommendation has the right to grow up to an unlimited number of plants, the initiative would drastically reduce that number to whatever can fit in a 5’x5’ footprint (around 3-6 plants—per property, not per person)"
This was taken from the blog in my signature....
420God
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And big business is going to win, deal with it.
The Ruiner
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I dont want a corporate hijacking of my weed. Period. That's 19.
stingmenot
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One concern i have is that if prop 19 fails, the anti-marijuana fighters you growers are siding with here will be encouraged. Will they be encouraged enough to go after medicinal marijuana next?
420God
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Arguing a want is like arguing an opinion. Don't get frustrated over something you have no control over. Adapt or be left behind.
The Ruiner
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There's nothing to adapt to...and I am not arguing with anyone about how I feel...I am not confused, or even high for that matter.
The Ruiner
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They already have....which I believe has been at the behest of domestic weed mafia, to make the passage of 19 seem that much more urgent. I say this because I have read numerous articles interviewing large dispensary owners that were basically pleading with the city to shut down the other collectives/dispensaries, and susequent investigations into dispensaries suppliers done by local authorities.
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