Why is defoliation so controversial?

JoeBlow5823

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Well I am saying that plants have evolved over millennium to use photosynthesis and you point to a high times fold out page. So my question to you when you seem to be saying they have evolved so much in 40 years is have you breed a plant to not need photosynthesis?
I dont know why you think I'm saying weed has been breed to not need photosynthesis.
 

DaFreak

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That’s not nearly lollitopping in those pics. I would cut off all nodes below the net and train till first buds.
 

MICHI-CAN

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That’s not nearly lollitopping in those pics. I would cut off all nodes below the net and train till first buds.
Lollipops are treats on the end of a stick. Doesn't matter if it is above or below the net. Just light availability. But I thank you for sharing.
 

Jeffislovinlife

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Well my lady's are indoor and outdoor I'm of the opinion of letting the ladies do what they do but I got mites and I took there happy home and they seem to be loving it
 

MICHI-CAN

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do all outdoors growers defol too? seems like a waste of time. the sun moves throughtout the sky during the day and seems like it would hit all parts of the plant. or is that not true??

i don't defol at all. top buds get vaped, larfy buds get made into water hash.
Only when they get to dense or you are forced to grow too many in a small space. And I believe all mature shade leaves from the bottom to about two thirds the plants height should be removed by week three or flower with photos. Improves health and development in my opinion.
 

rkymtnman

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Only when they get to dense or you are forced to grow too many in a small space. And I believe all mature shade leaves from the bottom to about two thirds the plants height should be removed by week three or flower with photos. Improves health and development in my opinion.
iv'e never done an outdoor plant so i was just curious why defol would be done. indoors i get the concept but don't follow it.
 

MICHI-CAN

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iv'e never done an outdoor plant so i was just curious why defol would be done. indoors i get the concept but don't follow it.
To each their own. Just has seriously increased my trimming times. Veg. and harvest. But the consistency of palm size nuggets is worth it. Try it out and see if you can improve your yield. Just a suggestion. Peace.
 

rkymtnman

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I was trying to find out to sorry I'll keep quiet and try and learn something as always thank you for your time and help
i wasn't trying to muzzle you but here's a question for all outdoor growers and defol:

let's assume that you have all your plants in a row and the majority of the sun they get is from due South. are the buds on the North side of the plant tiny and airy? from all the pics i've seen, the buds are pretty uniform the whole 360 deg of the plant.

another reason i don't defol indoors is that im at 8800 ft and things just grow slower up here. and IMO, defol is stress that the plants don't need when they are doing their best just to thrive.
 

rkymtnman

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Just thought I should listen a little more but don't you think that all of them little bud take away from the main bud site's
i'm in the camp that thinks that if you have enough leaves and enough light, that even the lower buds should be pretty good and solid.
i'm not sure there is a "right" answer because it depends on mnay variables
 

Silky T

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Things got a little heated in another thread when I and another poster put up some pics of our defoliation. He “schwazzed” the plant and I did something much less extreme. This caused one of the main forum admins to come in and speak out against defoliation, with no small amount of derision towards me and the other poster, I might add.

I didn’t think this was controversial. I thought it was settled science that judicious defoliation virtually eliminates larf. Sure I understand urging some caution, and I personally do it incrementally like the guide in the link describes, except this it was a local friend that showed me how to do this.

I’ll admit I was skeptical but he challenged me to try it and I’m always up for a challenge. I got much less larf and now I swear by it. I know that lots of people are bound to fuck up their plants doing this, but I don’t think that means it should be categorically discouraged. There’s no one right way to do things after all.

I like to grow a lot of indica dominant plants with tight nodes. I get fan leaves laying on each other and restricted airflow if I don’t take fan leaves off. This technique is used in commercial agriculture too. I just don’t understand all the hate. I get almost no larf and it’s never even slowed my plants down.

I’d just like to hear some of your thoughts and see if a consensus can be reached. I agree with this article 100% and think it’s great advice. Here’s some pics of my plants in different stages of flowering, all defoliated almost identically to the method described in the article below.


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Wow, did you catch the plant he defoliated? It's just ONE plant! In that tiny medium. He's been growing weed for AWHILE! I'm attaching his photo.
 

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MICHI-CAN

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Wow, did you catch the plant he defoliated? It's just ONE plant! In that tiny medium. He's been growing weed for AWHILE! I'm attaching his photo.
Nice plant. Took some knowledge. Props to that. But a 29 gallon tote is not tiny. You can raise a few Tilapia in there for munchies. Love it.
 

Horselover fat

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I'm trying new (new to me) things.

22nd august
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23rd
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30th
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During the eight days I removed a lot of leafs and tens of growth tips.

Edit: first 12 hour night was 28th/29th
 
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