Why is everyone buying into this Auto-Flower and Female seed crap?

Man if the autos come free i will grow it and smoke it.If people want autos then thats the choice they are entitled to make.Fem seeds are good and i feel the same way about them.As long as you grow what you want why worry about whats in someone elses garden.

I don't really understand how a hermie plant that was stressed would somehow gain more hermie genetics from the same X chromosome. They would already have to be present or you wouldn't have been able to hermie the plant in the first place.

stonedmetalhead1 said:

Can no one comprehend what these fem'd and auto seeds are doing to the gene pool or do you even care? By buying these seeds you are allowing them to be made which is completely selfish and irresponsible. People have no insight to the future or care about anything but themselves.

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Auto's have there place, there is a market for them. besides they are getting more and more potent.

Fungus Gnat said:

I don't really understand how a hermie plant that was stressed would somehow gain more hermie genetics from the same X chromosome. They would already have to be present or you wouldn't have been able to hermie the plant in the first place.

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It's not that they aren't present, it's that breeding with hermies makes the gene more prevalent, it makes the genetic line more unstable as a whole, and can add extra chromosomes in certain circumstances producing a xxy sex chromosome instead of a xy chromosome depending on the type of hermaphrodite. The more that people support this practice, the more these crap genes will be spread to the rest of the cannabis gene pool. The female cannabis plant will produce male flowers in some cases naturally as a a way to keep the genetic alive. This is a last resort and not a dominant means of reproduction. Improper breeding leads to genetic mutations and inferior genes, you can't change the laws of science. There is a reason that there are male and female plants. Even in bottlenecked inbred lines using males and females you will see mutations due to the lack of genetic diversity.

You seem to have this illusion that people are just throwing all their seeds out of the window the moment they take delivery of some fems. There are still plenty of growers and proper breeders and sellers that will not stop carrying regular seeds from a genuine background. It is not destroying the gene pool, that is more like breeding out animals, that do not produce seeds which can be stored, but rather have a young un and then die, their genes are gone, and it progresses from there. There are still plenty enough regular seeds to go around.

my two cents. Seed banks are responding to what the market demands. If MJ was legal and we all could plant wherever whenever I would buy your logic (not about the female seeds because those rock if that's what you want). I wouldn't be bitching about the seed banks so much as the laws that create demand for a product that in your opinion strays from the 'true' strains. Your thoughts and musings are welcome and will be taken into consideration.

I have grown regular, fem & Auto seeds, and I love Autos for their quick turnaround, short stature (generally) and that fact they DO produce a good smoke - don't knock 'em til you've tried em.. I am now growing my 3rd Auto & have another 3 lined up.. can't praise them enough for my needs

tip top toker said:

You seem to have this illusion that people are just throwing all their seeds out of the window the moment they take delivery of some fems. There are still plenty of growers and proper breeders and sellers that will not stop carrying regular seeds from a genuine background. It is not destroying the gene pool, that is more like breeding out animals, that do not produce seeds which can be stored, but rather have a young un and then die, their genes are gone, and it progresses from there. There are still plenty enough regular seeds to go around.

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It's called progression. In the few short years that fem'd seeds have been available commercially, the market for them has boomed do to people wanting convenience. Over time the number of fem'd seeds and plants bred with fem'd genetics will increase rapidly do to the demand of the average consumer and the fact that the average consumer doesn't care about or even think about the preservation of the most amazing plant on the face of the earth for future generations to enjoy without dealing with tainted genetics. Cannabis genetics have already suffered greatly do to the fact that man has been trying to eradicate it from the face of the earth. There is no telling what we have lost do to the demonizing of this plant. We as marijuana supporters see how special it is and yet we as a whole don't feel it's important to keep the genetic as pure as possible instead we opt for convenience.

hoss12781 said:

my two cents. Seed banks are responding to what the market demands. If MJ was legal and we all could plant wherever whenever I would buy your logic (not about the female seeds because those rock if that's what you want). I wouldn't be bitching about the seed banks so much as the laws that create demand for a product that in your opinion strays from the 'true' strains. Your thoughts and musings are welcome and will be taken into consideration.

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Thats exactly the point. With it being illegal we have to take the responsibility on ourselves to not trash this amazing plant. Also, I'm not so much talking about true strains as much as quality genetics.

edsthreads said:

I have grown regular, fem & Auto seeds, and I love Autos for their quick turnaround, short stature (generally) and that fact they DO produce a good smoke - don't knock 'em til you've tried em.. I am now growing my 3rd Auto & have another 3 lined up.. can't praise them enough for my needs

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Exactly, convenience. I don't have to grow out auto's to understand that hemp genetics were introduced into the gene pool (purely for convenience) and the genetic that made up the half of the plant that wasn't ruderalis would be better on it's own.

stonedmetalhead1 said:

It's called progression. In the few short years that fem'd seeds have been available commercially, the market for them has boomed do to people wanting convenience. Over time the number of fem'd seeds and plants bred with fem'd genetics will increase rapidly do to the demand of the average consumer and the fact that the average consumer doesn't care about or even think about the preservation of the most amazing plant on the face of the earth for future generations to enjoy without dealing with tainted genetics. Cannabis genetics have already suffered greatly do to the fact that man has been trying to eradicate it from the face of the earth. There is no telling what we have lost do to the demonizing of this plant. We as marijuana supporters see how special it is and yet we as a whole don't feel it's important to keep the genetic as pure as possible instead we opt for convenience.
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I don't understand the issue. We have seeds, stored genetics, we can fuck around how we like because we still have a base to go back to when it all goes wrong. We are not destroying any gene pool, we might be saturating it with bad genetics, but that doesn't mean there will no longer be good genetics, or the old school genetics. I mean i'm playing around with fem seeds, yet i still have an EXodus cheese plant. I doubt the situation would deteriorate so rapidly, that i was suddenly unable to find a good males to breed it off with, that would take a HELL of a lot of time and total negligence and i think someone would have wised up about hanging onto their parent plants before that would occur. We are not on some spiral of cannabis disappearance.

I'm not talking about marijuana being ruined tomorrow, I'm talking long term and thinking about future generations. The way market trends are going and people not understanding what they are doing the only thing thats going to happen is more and more of these strains are going to be produced. To say we have seeds now doesn't mean much. If this trend continues there will come a day when most of the genetics are tainted and stored seeds will only last so long. Have you seen any large scale preservation movements? No. Have you seen the complete commercialization of the seed market? yes. If people were acting now I wouldn't care as much about playing around with genetics but right now the commercial seed market is keeping cannabis alive on the scale it is so they are in fact determining the quality of marijuana genetics available in the future. While there are still areas in the world with landrace genetics they don't exist on the scale that they use to.

tip top toker said:

that would take a HELL of a lot of time and total negligence

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All we see in the world today is total negligence and people motivated by greed rather than what's right.

The auto flowering thing I dont get nor do i want. I wana veg my plants as long as I want and not worry about them going into flower. More veg time stronger roots stronger plant more buds.


As far as the fem seeds here is my exp so far. I ordered 10 normal white castle seeds from nirvana. I ordered 5 fem white widow seeds from Nirvana same order. when they came I took 3 white widow Germed them sprouted them veged them and now are flowering I get 2 fems and 1 male. I took 5 seeds of the white castle. Germed them sprouted them veged them flowered them got 1 fem. So you tell me Fem seeds 2/3 Non fem seeds 1/5. Numbers dont lie. I will stick with my fem seeds gimick or not they work. also once I find one I wana grow always I will make my own seeds but honestly I will likely just clone.

stonedmetalhead1 said:

I'm not talking about marijuana being ruined tomorrow, I'm talking long term and thinking about future generations. The way market trends are going and people not understanding what they are doing the only thing thats going to happen is more and more of these strains are going to be produced. To say we have seeds now doesn't mean much. If this trend continues there will come a day when most of the genetics are tainted and stored seeds will only last so long. Have you seen any large scale preservation movements? No. Have you seen the complete commercialization of the seed market? yes. If people were acting now I wouldn't care as much about playing around with genetics but right now the commercial seed market is keeping cannabis alive on the scale it is so they are in fact determining the quality of marijuana genetics available in the future. While there are still areas in the world with landrace genetics they don't exist on the scale that they use to.


All we see in the world today is total negligence and people motivated by greed rather than what's right.

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The world of cannabis is not defined by the seed banks.. come 10 years time and attitude just sells crappy strains, well someone like TGA will think hmmm, maybe i could make some money selling real strains etc. Again, the seed suply will only run out if people wish for this to happen, which on the whole they don't, if someone had only a handful of seeds left from a 20yr old killer strain, common sense would dictate that they would clone out and polinate and such.

And your perception that all we see is negligence, well keep it to yourself, i don't think a clone only strain has sucessfully kept itself alive and spreading through negligence. Not everyone is the same..

none of the fem haters have answered my question yet but have bickered with eveyone else. guess i hit the nail on the head then.

the best weed i grew/smoked was from feminized seeds,it was dinafems mazari,great smoke,great yeild.the only time i have had males was from autoflower strains or when i have bought regular seeds.i might have just been lucky but every fem seed i have grown it has been female.
i will continue to use feminized seeds from now on and i'm not going to stop because some weed grower thinks he is some sort of snob and that all feminized seeds are shit.thats just sheer dumb ignorance.

tip top toker said:

The world of cannabis is not defined by the seed banks.. come 10 years time and attitude just sells crappy strains, well someone like TGA will think hmmm, maybe i could make some money selling real strains etc. Again, the seed suply will only run out if people wish for this to happen, which on the whole they don't, if someone had only a handful of seeds left from a 20yr old killer strain, common sense would dictate that they would clone out and polinate and such.

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I'm not talking about 10 years from now.

If you think the population of landrace genetics hasn't dwindled your sadly mistaken and talking about a handful of seeds when trying to preserve a genetic line is laughable. While landrace species still exist they are not around in the numbers that they used to be, to me that is negligence.

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And your perception that all we see is negligence, well keep it to yourself, i don't think a clone only strain has sucessfully kept itself alive and spreading through negligence. Not everyone is the same..

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I was talking about man kind as a whole being negligent.

Keeping a clone going for 20 years doesn't mean anything. To keep diversity in genes massive populations must be grown out which is almost impossible with the laws today and one clone with one particular set of genes of a particular genetic isn't going to cut it. Also, have you ever heard of genetic drift? Clones will only last so long before the genetic will start to deteriorate and again I'm thinking long term effects not 20 years.

Total Head said:

if however a stable female is sprayed with collodial silver and then artificially hermis, and that pollen impregnates a different stable female, what proof is there that there will be any genetic remainder? are you saying that the colloidal silver has forever changed the genetic code of that plant that up until now was stable over multiple generations? prove it.

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Science already has, it has obviously altered the original genetic code just for the simple fact that all of the offspring are female. A female is still being pollinated by a female and a male is required to impart certain genetic material. Where is the science that says using a sex reversal agent on a female to pollinate another female doesn't effect the genetics? There is none. How about instead of saying "prove it" you go down to the local library, read a book, and show me where it says this doesn't effect the genetics.

hamboner said:

the best weed i grew/smoked was from feminized seeds,it was dinafems mazari,great smoke,great yeild.the only time i have had males was from autoflower strains or when i have bought regular seeds.i might have just been lucky but every fem seed i have grown it has been female.
i will continue to use feminized seeds from now on and i'm not going to stop because some weed grower thinks he is some sort of snob and that all feminized seeds are shit.thats just sheer dumb ignorance.

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Can you read? No one ever said that you wouldn't get quality smoke from these plants. I was talking about the genetic changes and the long term effects of this practice. Saying you got quality results from growing fem'd seeds in no way proves anything other than you base your entire outlook on limited experiences without any scientific basis. Did you have the genetic code mapped on your fem'd plants or grow out thousands of samples and there offspring? Unless you did there is no way you can say for sure that this had no negative effects on the genetics. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings enough for you to call me a snob but I guess when you don't have any knowledge to support your position there is always insult.

I have been wanting to get some autoflower, where i live the growing season isnt the longest in the world. and having a crop in the middle of summer would be pretty gnarly

Double Diesel Auto, great yields, good high. Red Dwarf Auto, good yields, amazing high. Both trich out and you could make great hash from them.

I am new to the whole grow thing. Can someone please tell me what "autoflower" is? Why does it grow faster? Are they females and not males? Forgive the ignorance.

allforit said:

I am new to the whole grow thing. Can someone please tell me what "autoflower" is? Why does it grow faster? Are they females and not males? Forgive the ignorance.

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Just google it.

Rundellis crossed with Cannabis

allforit said:

I am new to the whole grow thing. Can someone please tell me what "autoflower" is? Why does it grow faster? Are they females and not males? Forgive the ignorance.

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