Why lumens don't mean anything to plants.

jimmyc

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I was going to post an explaination but this guy does a better job and I don't have to type :eyesmoke:

Light Measurement for Horticultural Applications
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Why is the lumen useless for horticultural applications? The answer to that lies in the definition of the lumen. What does it measure? The lumen is a SI unit that measures light according to how effective it is at stimulating human visual response. Let's look at some definitions:

The candela (cd) is the luminous intensity, in a given direction, of a source that emits monochromatic radiation of frequency 540×10^12 hertz and that has a radiant intensity in that direction of 1/683 watt per steradian.

A steradian is a unit solid angle (the 3d equivalent of a radian). There are 4pi steradians in a sphere.

540*10^12 hz is roughly 555nm, the peak of human visual sensitivity. This spectrum limitation is what makes photometric units useless for horticultural applications.

1 cd = 1/683w/sr

1 lm = 1 cd·sr = 1 cd·m2·m–2

1 lm = 1 cd*sr = 1/683w/sr * sr = 1/683w

So lumens really are a measure of radiant flux (watts), but with the wavelength restriction. In the real world, very few light sources are monochromatic at 555nm, so to assign lumen ratings to lamps, it is necessary to weight the light emitted at other wavelengths. This is calculated by the Luminosity function.

Now if you look at the curve of the luminosity function (CIE 1931)

and compare it to the curve representing the absorption spectrum of chlorophyll a and b,

you will see that the former peaks where the latter valleys. That is to say: the lumen is weighted to measure the light that is least useful for plant growth. Low Pressure Sodium lamps are virtually useless for growing plants. LPS emits nearly monochromatic light at 590nm, and has a very high luminous efficiency (in fact, it highest luminous efficiency of any gas discharge source currently available). If lumens (or luminous efficiency) were really any indication of usefulness for plant growth, we'd all be using LPS. The other thing to notice about the comparison is that the photopic efficiency of light approaches zero right about where it's effectiveness for photosynthesis peaks at both the blue and red end of the luminous efficiency curve. So rather than being a good indicator of how useful light is for plant growth, the lumen is just the opposite. Stated another way: for any two lamps having similar radiant efficiency but different luminous efficiency, the one having lower luminous efficiency is almost guaranteed to be more efficient for plant growth. What we are looking for is high radiant output, with a low lumen rating.

In addition to the chlorophylls, there are a number of other photoreceptive pigments (e.g., carotenoids, xanthophylls; collectively called "accessory pigments") in plants that contribute to photosynthesis. These do absorb light between the chlorophyll absorption peaks. The amount and ratio of accessory pigments varies from species to species, and even among individuals of the same species. Because of these accessory pigments, the action spectrum of photosynthesis differs from the chlorophyll absorption spectrum.

Lighting recommendations are often given in the nominal wattage consumed by the luminaire (rated watts) per square foot. Watts consumed by a luminaire don't give any indication about radiant or luminous efficiency, but at least don't have photopic bias. The argument that rated watts somehow favor incandescent lamps is a non-sequitur: incandescent lamp output is measured in lumens, too. It is certainly possible to provide the magic 7000 lm/sf using incandescent lamps, but this is not likely to have very good results, because so much of the incandescent output is heat. For lamps producing similar spectral power distribution, it is perfectly valid to recommend light levels in terms of the rated wattage of the lamp; for example, "50w-60w of Hortilux per square foot" is an entirely reasonable lighting recommendation that conveys useful information. It does assume that the light is going to be distributed fairly evenly throughout the growing area to produce somewhat uniform irradiance. Irradiance (energy received by the plants, measured by a radiometer in watts per unit area, e.g., w/f^2) is more useful information, but also says nothing about the spectrum.

Lighting recommendations are also often given in lumens/unit area (e.g., 7000 lm/f^2). This has the same limitation as input watts/unit area: it divides the initial luminous flux (photopic lumens emitted by the lamp) over the area being lit, which assumes that the light is distributed fairly evenly throughout the lit space (for even illuminance). Actual illuminance measurements (in lux=lm/m^2 or foot-candles = lm/ft^2) would be more useful, but still suffer from spectral bias and are not informative about photosynthetically useful radiation.

A caveat is that the lumen (or lux) can be useful to compare light levels when the source SPD is the same (or very similar). For example, outdoor or greenhouse light levels can be meaningfully discussed in terms of Lux because the SPD of sunlight is fairly constant (at least for unfiltered greenhouse glazing). Similarly, light levels can be compared in lumens, lux, or foot-candles between two grows using the same lamp model.

Photometric units are not useful for comparing sources that emit different spectra. So while it is meaningful to recommend "7000lm/f^2 of Hortilux," it is not useful to recommend 7000 lm/f^2).

Photosynthetically active radiation (PAR), measuring radiance in watts, is much better than photopic units (lumens or lux) or radiometric units (watts or watts/m^2). PAR is a mesaure of lamp output in the spectrum that is actually useful to the plants. However, this data is only available for a small number of lamp models. An additional limitation is that the PAR watt treats all wavelengths between 400 and 700nm equally, but all wavelengths within that range are not equially effective for plant growth. Despite these limitations, PAR efficacy (PAR watts emitted/watts consumed) is a decent indication of efficiency for horticultural lamps. PAR irradiance can be measured using a spectroradiometer (not cheap!).

Irradiance at the plants can be measured directly, as photosynthetic photon flux density (PPFD). This is measured in Einsteins (E), which is not a SI unit. One Einstein is one mole of photons, regardless of wavelength. Irradiance levels on the surface of the earth occur on the scale of micro-Einsteins. PPFD is observed directly using quantum meters (starting around US$100) that measure microEinsteins per square meter per second, for photons having wavelengths between 400 and 700 nm. This has the same limitation as the PAR watt, by treating all wavelengths in the range as equally useful for plant growth.

We can get a rough idea of the how efficient a lamp will be be for plant growth by looking at it's Spectral Power Distribution (SPD) and comparing it to the action spectrum of photosynthesis. The more useful lamps produce most of their light around the chlorophyll absorption peaks, and produce less light away from those peaks. However, without knowing either the radiant output (in watts) or PAR output (also in watts), we can't calculate anything objective, like it's overall PAR efficiency.

knna has done some work to analyze the action spectrum of photosynthesis for Cannabis, and provided a helpful tool that analyzes an SPD and calculates photosynthetically useful radiation (PUR) produced by that lamp.

Getting back to the original question, it is well documented that (within limits) higher ratios of blue/red reduce internode length, while lower b/r promotes flower production but also tends to increase internode length. Red light is generally more efficient than blue light, both for the lamp to produce, and for the plant to absorb. Tazawa concluded that"high-CRI" MH is the best all-around light source for plant growth. I have read several research reports that concluded that HPS consistently outproduces MH as the sole light source for several crops in controlled studies. I did read one study that compared MH vs HPS vs MH+HPS as supplemental light in a greenhouse in Quebec during winter, and concluded that there was little difference in yield under any of the tested configurations. The main limitation in all of those studies is that they did not compare specific lamp models, so the conclusions can't be assumed to be generally applicable, in particular to "spectrally enhanced" "horticultural" lamps.

I still use MH in veg to control internode length. For lanky cultivars, I use MH during the first 2-3 weeks of flowering to help control stretch.


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TeaTreeOil

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Lumen isn't useless. Bulb types have conversion factors for converting the raw lux(not lumens, exactly) into PPFD, photosynthetic photon flux density. This conversion factor is fairly significant, if you go by lumen rating, though.

Comparing lumens between similar bulbs of similar color temperatures is fairly accurate. Comparing multiple bulb types, different color temps, etc... not very reliable.

I forget the exact website where this is from(it's in one of my posts somewhere), but it compares various bulb types with the required lux measurement to meet a generally equal PPFD to all bulbs.



As you can see, plant-specific fluoros create the most plant usable light per lumen.
 

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jimmyc

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I didn't realize you could convert them. Perhaps this explains why, though lumens may be a misnomer when picking lights, High Pressure Sodium lamps still do the job well.
 

rkm

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I didn't realize you could convert them. Perhaps this explains why, though lumens may be a misnomer when picking lights, High Pressure Sodium lamps still do the job well.
Lumens are fine if you do not want to apply the science and the physics of what and how light actually works.

Although difficult to sometimes decipher, PAR(Photosynthetically Active Radiation) is the truest and most accurate way of getting the right light for plants.

Although, I cannot prove this theory but by my own experiments. It seems to reason that the bulbs with a lower lumen rating seem to do better. Don't flame me, its just been an observation.

In my humble opinion, just because a light does not look red to our human eyes does not mean there is not red light there that the plant can "see". Or blue. Or green. Or yellow.

The human eye is the worst tool to use in determining the light for a plant.
 

VividDane

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sorry fp reviving this old thread. But I have some info published by Sylvania that kinda contradicts what has been said in here. About the relation between lumens and PAR. If not and i've misunderstood then at least the chart below will give people a good impression of how much PAR is being emitted from various light-sources.

How can I evaluate the effect of different light sources on plant growth?

The Photosynthetically Active Radiation (PAR) measure of radiant power is important in evaluating the effect of light on plant growth.

In 1972 it was shown by K. McCree (Agric. Meteorol., 10:443, 1972) that the photosynthetic response correlates better with the number of photons than with energy. This is expected because photosynthesis is a photochemical conversion where each molecule is activated by the absorption of one photon in the primary
photochemical process.

PAR is defined in terms of photon (quantum) flux, specifically, the number of moles of photons in the radiant energy between 400 nm and 700 nm. One mole of photons is 6.0222 x 1023 photons (6.0222 x 1023 is Avagadro’s Number).
The Photosynthetic Photon Flux Density (PPFD), i.e., the photon irradiance, is expressed in moles per square meter and per second (formerly, Einsteins per square meter and per second).

There is not a general conversion factor between photon measurements and energy or light measurements for broad band radiation. However, a specific conversion factor can be determined for a given spectral power distribution, e.g., a particular light source. This is of practical value because conventional lighting calculation techniques can be used for design of plant growth areas and because color corrected light or illuminance meters can be used to measure PAR values.

Some plant scientists want a conversion for the photon flux in the 400 nm to 800 nm band although it is not the standard PAR metric (see CIE Publication 106, Section 8, 1993); this conversion also has been included.

Source: http://openwetware.org/images/e/e8/Conversion_lux.pdf

The way I understand the note of no general conversion factor is that the PAR emitted can not be sized by a given lumens output, instaid you have to calculate the total moles for the grow-area space, wich is somewhat different from the way we measure lumens. So there for no direct relation between lumen and PAR. Please correct me if I'm misreading things.
 
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