Why no SOG?

Onlyoneman

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Why do I not see anyone growing SOG with CFL?
These bulbs don't penetrate well, right?
They have to be close to the plants, and you generally need a lot of them?
Sounds like they made them for a SOG to me, so I'm just wondering why I'm not seeing it on the grow forums.
Is there some terrible catch to this set up later down the line? because I'm thinking it sounds like the easiest, most efficient way to grow perpetual with frequent harvests, but I could be wrong, so, Please discuss :blsmoke:
 

Onlyoneman

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My idea is to use low watt bulbs mounted to a piece of plywood which I would hang above a grow area. Each row of plants will be 1 week older than the one before it(in a 4x4 grid), so they should make a consistent slope for the piece of plywood to follow when I hang it on a slope to match. The lights would be spaced to fall directly above each plant. Since they will be small, freshly rooted clones going directly in to bloom, I should only need the one light per plant, right?
 

unohu69

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I know, With a 4' 2 light floro, i can literally set that on top of the plants. no lumen loss there lol. My clones seem to stay super short with close node spacing, adn rarely ever notice any burning.
 

HSA

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Unohu69: I have to agree with you. Florescent lighting is the way to go unless you have a lot of stock in the Edison Company, (rich). I grew with T-8's for a lot of years in 4' shop lights but there weren't a lot of lamp choices then. I'm now sold on T'5's because they've obviously got us in mind. You can get the grow and flowering lamps at almost any hydro store or on line and they cost a lot less to run. I've just learned that you want it a little wider and longer than your grow because they're weakest at the ends, but you can literally hang them an inch above the tops of your plants without problems. A friend who grows with HID would love to trade electric bills with me. HSA
 

MrBosco

Member
Why do I not see anyone growing SOG with CFL?
This is based on reading rather than experience, but from what I gather CFLs don't scale well in terms of cost or setup/maintenance workload. SOG implies a lot of plants. Lots of plants means a large number of CFL bulbs for flowering if you want to get dense heavy buds, as if you skimp on lighting you get airy fluffy buds. A small number of CFLs are cheap to buy, easy to setup, easy to cool and cheap to run. As you increase the bulb count though you increase the equipment cost to the point that it approaches or exceeds the initial cost of HPS lighting, but a single large HPS is easier to wire and mount than a large number of CFLs. CFL hardware maintenance costs are also higher than HPS, as the bulbs are more expensive to replace when they fail (watt for watt) and there are a lot more of them.

A very large number of CFLs is more difficult to cool than a single large HPS, as you don't have the option of vented reflector hoods at a good price point. 1000W of CFLs will produce a lot of heat, but the heat sources will be more spread out and thus more difficult to cool than a single 1000W HPS in a vented reflector. This is especially true if you're talking about a large number of low-wattage CFLs.

As you need to keep the CFLs in close proximity to the plants the amount of maintenace work involved in moving lights or plants every day or two adds up to the point that a single large HPS is more desirable in terms of effort required to tend your grow. Put these factors together and you can understand why many people move away from CFL lighting when they scale up their grow beyond a few hundred watts. The only advantages CFLs retain over HPS on a medium-large scale are that they can be easily used to provide side-lighting, and that less energy is lost as heat, though even those advantages are debatable.

CFLs are excellent in small confined spaces, and great for cloning and vegging as you don't need a lot of watts early on, but for flowering on the kind of scale implied by Sea Of Green a HPS system would probably be the better way to go if you want a nice crop of dense heavy buds.
 

Kiokrassi

Active Member
lol i think i should definately try to fuck with some SOG in my setup

my reasoning behind not trying it? i just started serious growing this year im newb
 

Prefontaine

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my understanding is with most SOGs your building up a 1" even canopy that will need quite a bit o penetration
 

MrBosco

Member
LOL if you've never seen a SOG with CFL's then you have not done your research..

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=69713
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I stand corrected. If you take Sea Of Green to just mean lolipop-shaped plants grown very close together then there's no reason why CFLs aren't a good choice if the grow space is small. When I think SOG I think of larger grow areas; with each plant in a normal-sized pot you can only fit so many in a small space. The link above refers to 27 small plants in tiny pots though, to make a mini SOG. Lake of Green? Pond Of Green maybe? ;)

Reading further this looks to be a very interesting way to grow multiple strains in a small space with frequent harvests. Can anyone think of any reason this wouldn't work with a small-scale hydro setup like maybe DWC? Say maybe 3 X rectangular DIY bubble buckets packed side-by-side under 3 sets of CFLs on hangers set at 3 different heights?
 

Onlyoneman

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I stand corrected. If you take Sea Of Green to just mean lolipop-shaped plants grown very close together then there's no reason why CFLs aren't a good choice if the grow space is small. When I think SOG I think of larger grow areas; with each plant in a normal-sized pot you can only fit so many in a small space. The link above refers to 27 small plants in tiny pots though, to make a mini SOG. Lake of Green? Pond Of Green maybe? ;)
SoG just describes the method of growing all of your bud in one even canopy. I don't think you need to have a certain number of plants, or a large area of floor space covered to earn the title, bro. That thread didn't really show a SoG the way I understand one to work. He just crammed a bunch of plants in to a small cab, thats all... there is no canopy in that grow. He even said in one of the posts he made how the plant grows bud all the way to the dirt. SoG doesn't grow like that.

MrBosco said:
Reading further this looks to be a very interesting way to grow multiple strains in a small space with frequent harvests. Can anyone think of any reason this wouldn't work with a small-scale hydro setup like maybe DWC? Say maybe 3 X rectangular DIY bubble buckets packed side-by-side under 3 sets of CFLs on hangers set at 3 different heights?
Nope. Can't think of anything at all. I actually had the same idea and am already in the process of building it.
 
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