Why not pollinate your first grow to get more seeds?
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moash
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I haven't been trying to prove you wrong.....You proved yourself wrong...
I simply stated the facts you listed were irrelevant and you keep coming back with something else to say
It more sounds like you're trying to prove yourself right...
I'm not twisting anything man. You said seeds yield more because their nodes don't alternate until the plant becomes mature, usually around 8-10 weeks. That still doesn't mean anything.
And as for the poster before that, you're right clones don't produce more per plant than seeds, but they do produce it faster. a perpetual room will produce twice as much in any given year than straight from seed.
If you have to break down your room in a hurry, or plan on moving, It helps to have some seeds around. I'll be honest and say I've never harvested seeds before, and honestly plan on leaving that to the professionals.
And as for the poster before that, you're right clones don't produce more per plant than seeds, but they do produce it faster. a perpetual room will produce twice as much in any given year than straight from seed.
If you have to break down your room in a hurry, or plan on moving, It helps to have some seeds around. I'll be honest and say I've never harvested seeds before, and honestly plan on leaving that to the professionals.
slonez47
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From what I've read in the Bible there is 25% less growth. Smaller plant less yield. Not being a dick, I'm a clone man myself. Just passing along what I've read from knowledgable sources brother. Folks can take it or not.
slonez47
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You are very correct. I quoted verbatim what I had read, and I'll be the first to say that I hope like hell what you say is true. I don't bother with seeds, and don't want to. I don't knock anyone that does, and I don't rule out doing that sometime in the future. I work from clones and if they retain the vigor I'll be happier than a punk in a pecker patch. Sorry in advance to any punks I may have insulted during this diatribe. Peace.
slonez47
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Laugh all you want to. I'll take Cervantes word over any swinging dick on this fucking site. Or where do I find your books?
slonez47
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Yeah Moash! Everyone knows you get most of your bud from the bottom of the plant. HUH?
slonez47
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They flower from clones sooner than seed because the clone is mature, something a seedling has yet to do.
moash
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I top my plants right before they start to flower,That way I get the most from the bottom nodes.....
I don't mess with none of that "one branched node" bullshit
That means everything. More branches=more product.
I'm not making it up, it's mathematical fact.
What part of that don't people understand?
Thank you. That's all I've been trying to say all along.
Gastanker
Well-Known Member
To grow a giant pumpkin you take a giant pumpkin plant and trim off every flower but one. Instead of twenty, five pound pumpkins you get one 100 pound pumpkin.
More bud sites doesn't necessarily mean more bud. If you have two even sized plants but one has half as many bud sites then the plant with half as many bud sites would have have twice as many calyxes per bud site and thus an equivalent amount of bud.
Just an observation but I've seem more 6 lb clones than 6 lb plants from seed. Personally I prefer seeds.
More bud sites doesn't necessarily mean more bud. If you have two even sized plants but one has half as many bud sites then the plant with half as many bud sites would have have twice as many calyxes per bud site and thus an equivalent amount of bud.
Just an observation but I've seem more 6 lb clones than 6 lb plants from seed. Personally I prefer seeds.
slonez47
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I hope that you did'nt miss the sarcasm in my post. It was addressed to the bottom picker that made the comment, not you.I top my plants right before they start to flower,That way I get the most from the bottom nodes.....
I don't mess with none of that "one branched node" bullshit
slonez47
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That's like the pot calling the kettle black is'nt it?
moash
New Member
I understand that....
My post was all sarcasm...
twoplustwo
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I see my first post has brought on quite a discussion... Being a total newbie and never having grown before (as I imagine many readers of this thread are), I think cloning might be a little out of scope for a first time grow. That, and I'd only be growing for myself so a small grow once or twice a year is all I would probably need. I won't have the setup or the need to keep a mother constantly.
Thanks to all those that replied. Outside of the discussion of clones v seeds and the benefits of each, it at least seems like a reasonable option to pollinate for seeds. Personally, if I do start growing I would be much more concerned about being self sufficient and maintaining a low profile rather than making a profit or being in a hurry for a big harvest.
Thanks to all those that replied. Outside of the discussion of clones v seeds and the benefits of each, it at least seems like a reasonable option to pollinate for seeds. Personally, if I do start growing I would be much more concerned about being self sufficient and maintaining a low profile rather than making a profit or being in a hurry for a big harvest.
bboybojo
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I think the big point here is that when you clone you know what you are getting genetically, and even more importantly you know you are getting females. Fuck taking care of a seed for over a month just to find it is a male, that takes up grow room space which is limited for many people.
Pollinating is good to get a cache of seeds, but imo only for the purpose of getting mothers later down the track.
As for # branches, I can't comment on the alternating vs. 2 at each node.
But as it has been said, more sites doesnt mean more bud, it depends on your canopy and light profile. a little topping and training and you can get the most out of any plant--seed or clone.
Pollinating is good to get a cache of seeds, but imo only for the purpose of getting mothers later down the track.
As for # branches, I can't comment on the alternating vs. 2 at each node.
But as it has been said, more sites doesnt mean more bud, it depends on your canopy and light profile. a little topping and training and you can get the most out of any plant--seed or clone.
Phaeton
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I started with 200 seeds and spent most of a year narrowing it down to 5. Did 3 grows with all 5 and then picked the best.
I am on my fourth year with this bagseed sativa, so it was worth the time.
All this means is I had a 1 in 200 chance of getting this plant from a seed, 1 in 40 of getting a member of the finalists.
Four years of getting the best plant out of 200 seeds every single grow, and yes, they grow better and faster than the original seed.
If there is a smokable bud on top of the plant it was grown correctly.
Some folks read a book and get a notion, and when others that have hand's on experience rather than book read minconceptions correct them....well, we have been seeing the result. Downright silliness from one who doesn't even grow.
I am on my fourth year with this bagseed sativa, so it was worth the time.
All this means is I had a 1 in 200 chance of getting this plant from a seed, 1 in 40 of getting a member of the finalists.
Four years of getting the best plant out of 200 seeds every single grow, and yes, they grow better and faster than the original seed.
If there is a smokable bud on top of the plant it was grown correctly.
Some folks read a book and get a notion, and when others that have hand's on experience rather than book read minconceptions correct them....well, we have been seeing the result. Downright silliness from one who doesn't even grow.
Raz me all you want. My lower branches get 4 to 5 feet long, sometimes longer, with LOTS of flower production. It would be stupid to remove them. Maybe cutting off lower branches and leaves works for someone growing small plants indoors, but it's counterproductive to what the big boys do.