Why So Many LED Haters?

^^^^ wow you keep repeating the same thing over and over and say you are not the one bringing it up. You keep wanting to see comparisons about vegging then say why do people keep bringing up vegging. The comparisons with flowering is more important. Yet you keep coming back to vegging.

either you are arguing for the sake of arguing. Or you are the dumbest person ever on this forum
I'm done.. I have a very low threshold for stupid people.. Neither me nor anyone else can help you. You're just too stupid.. Blame your parents for that one.

hyroot said:

^^^^ wow you keep repeating the same thing over and over and say you are not the one bringing it up. You keep wanting to see comparisons about vegging then say why do people keep bringing up vegging. The comparisons with flowering is more important. Yet you keep coming back to vegging.

either you are arguing for the sake of arguing. Or you are the dumbest person ever on this forum
I'm done.. I have a very low threshold for stupid people.. Neither me nor anyone else can help you. You're just too stupid.. Blame your parents for that one.

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Once again, please where glasses around your leds because these reading comprehension problems are fuckin annoying, il type slower so you dont have to read so fast. You say that there is a bunch of grows where led beats hid, are you with me so far? Ok, now I say the grows you speek of are not comporable because they double the veg time with the led, you still with me? Ok then, after that I say that comparing a top of the line led grow to a plant that is vegged with hps isnt fair because hps will always grow a taller, lankier plant while metal halide will grow a shorter, tighter, fuller plant, are you still following me? Im breaking it up so feel free to take a break. Im not sure if you know this but veg determines possible yield, if you veg correctly, when it comes time to flower all you need to do is feed correctly and keep your environmentals in check, simple. Have a shitty veg with a lanky plant your harvest will suffer. Now even tho using hps in veg grows a lanky plant, that lanky plant will still out yield a led that has the same veg time by a bunch. You still with me? Ok, now il repeat myself yet again, show me a comparison grow where led beats a hid with the same veg time, you cant because that grow doesnt exist. A hid grower can yield a pound with 4 plants, 1 light, 1 week to germ, 4 weeks to veg, and then flower, can a led user do the same thing? No. I keep repeating myself because you fail to understand how meaningful veg is, yield numbers are meaningless without accounting for veg time. Leds work, but stop comparing them to hid, or else do it in the led section where nobody will see it.

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Once again, please where glasses around your leds because these reading comprehension problems are fuckin annoying, il type slower so you dont have to read so fast. You say that there is a bunch of grows where led beats hid, are you with me so far? Ok, now I say the grows you speek of are not comporable because they double the veg time with the led, you still with me? Ok then, after that I say that comparing a top of the line led grow to a plant that is vegged with hps isnt fair because hps will always grow a taller, lankier plant while metal halide will grow a shorter, tighter, fuller plant, are you still following me? Im breaking it up so feel free to take a break. Im not sure if you know this but veg determines possible yield, if you veg correctly, when it comes time to flower all you need to do is feed correctly and keep your environmentals in check, simple. Have a shitty veg with a lanky plant your harvest will suffer. Now even tho using hps in veg grows a lanky plant, that lanky plant will still out yield a led that has the same veg time by a bunch. You still with me? Ok, now il repeat myself yet again, show me a comparison grow where led beats a hid with the same veg time, you cant because that grow doesnt exist. A hid grower can yield a pound with 4 plants, 1 light, 1 week to germ, 4 weeks to veg, and then flower, can a led user do the same thing? No. I keep repeating myself because you fail to understand how meaningful veg is, yield numbers are meaningless without accounting for veg time. Leds work, but stop comparing them to hid, or else do it in the led section where nobody will see it.

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Lololol did you really start to type slower !? I can see you there only using your pointer fingers to type, and screaming at the screen! I didn't even get past that part, cause I started reading slower and started to laugh so hard that I just jumped down to reply! Can we all just agree and say both lights can successfully grow our lovely pliant!

Please refrain from the name calling.

Johnxnyg said:

Lololol did you really start to type slower !? I can see you there only using your pointer fingers to type, and screaming at the screen! I didn't even get past that part, cause I started reading slower and started to laugh so hard that I just jumped down to reply! Can we all just agree and say both lights can successfully grow our lovely pliant!

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agree.........

genuity said:

agree.........

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I have, repeatedly.

Johnxnyg said:

Lololol did you really start to type slower !? I can see you there only using your pointer fingers to type, and screaming at the screen! I didn't even get past that part, cause I started reading slower and started to laugh so hard that I just jumped down to reply! Can we all just agree and say both lights can successfully grow our lovely pliant!

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Yes sir, I certainly did but there was no screaming

Jnone again not here to hold your hand. Go to the led section and read every thread. They all out yield hid. Just take your mouse and place the cursor on led section the push on the button on your mouse. Then do the same thing with threads.

now If you know anything about growing. You would Genetics determines veg time and yield before anything else. An indica Dom will take alot longer to veg than a sativa dom. Then next is temp, humidity. Nutes, airflow before lighting ever comes into the equation.

you can type as slow as you want. Its not going to help you. Its obvious you have never grown anything by all your posts let alone led. Yet you talk all this shit and have no experience. F-Ing noobs!!!!

wyteberrywidow said:

Please refrain from the name calling.

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I called no names, I think its those damn leds to blame, id get fuckin ripped n stare at those pretty fuckers all day n go blind so I get it.

hyroot said:

Jnone again not here to hold your hand. Go to the led section and read every thread. They all out yield hid. Just take your mouse and place the cursor on led section the push on the button on your mouse. Then do the same thing with threads.

now If you know anything about growing. You would Genetics determines veg time and yield before anything else. An indica Dom will take alot longer to veg than a sativa dom. Then next is temp, humidity. Nutes, airflow before lighting ever comes into the equation.

you can type as slow as you want. Its not going to help you. Its obvious you have never grown anything by all your posts let alone led. Yet you talk all this shit and have no experience. F-Ing noobs!!!!

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I read your post, I think you are drunk, please respond when you have a clearer head

Jbone77 said:

I read your post, I think you are drunk, please respond when you have a clearer head

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so that's what you post when you know you are wrong. I don't drink..that made perfect sense. At least now that's cleared up. Now this thread can continue with an intelligent discussion.

hyroot said:

Jnone again not here to hold your hand. Go to the led section and read every thread. They all out yield hid. Just take your mouse and place the cursor on led section the push on the button on your mouse. Then do the same thing with threads.

now If you know anything about growing. You would Genetics determines veg time and yield before anything else. An indica Dom will take alot longer to veg than a sativa dom. Then next is temp, humidity. Nutes, airflow before lighting ever comes into the equation.

you can type as slow as you want. Its not going to help you. Its obvious you have never grown anything by all your posts let alone led. Yet you talk all this shit and have no experience. F-Ing noobs!!!!

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Ok then, here we go. Genetics dont determine yield, the best genetics in the world are meaningless with a poor veg, a poor veg equals a poor harvest so that is false. Genetics dont determine veg times, if they did mother plants wouldnt exist and neither would 12/12 from seed so that is false. I didnt address lighting because that would be included in the environmental part I talked about. An indica dom and a sativa dom can veg for the exact same time so thats false. All the led grows in the led section out yield hid? Um...that is blatantly false. I have talked no shit about led, I actually said they work great several times so that is false. I have no mouse to click so that is false. When you say "its obvious you have never grown anything by all your posts let alone led", I have no idea what that means. Shit genetics in a correct environment will out yield great genetics in a shit environment.

Feel free to correct me but please take the time to research your answer first. If you arent drunk and dont drink please start asap, it will probably help.

wow. i agree with both sides. Im starting with led/cfl because i dont have an investment in hps/mh. i dont want the heat or high electric bills. but as far as yield goes ive seen both sides put great yields out with quality. the grower makes the difference. The light i like the best i dont use anymore (the sun) since to many kids find them and steal them thinking they are ready. Im kind of at awe by how you all are acting. i can say this their is now way in hell i would pay $2k for a light to grow a 4x4 or 5x5 area not even a 4x8 area. Leds are new and have a ways to go. so if you gonna use led buy the best cheapest one you can and learn it, because in 1-2 years you will be buying another one. right now im led but am gonna side with the hps/md guys and ask why on gods green earth would you post this on their thread? you trying to start a fight? looks like it to me. come on you not gonna change their minds doing it this way. you have to show them grows that make them say wow. with an led that doesn't require a bank loan to purchase. Ive found 1 led wich could change this from the grows ive seen it works but ill have to buy it in may and use it. ive grown outdoors for years and years and i know how weed grows and what makes them sick ect. right now i have small leds and know my yield will be small but im sure the quality will be there. why must we all fight over stupid shit. yes its stupid. my led beets your hps blah blah blah. if you liek the weed you grow and are happy who cares what anyone else thinks. the only reason for leds right now in my book is going green less power usage period to get a decent harvest.

Jbone77 said:

Ok then, here we go. Genetics dont determine yield, the best genetics in the world are meaningless with a poor veg, a poor veg equals a poor harvest so that is false. Genetics dont determine veg times, if they did mother plants wouldnt exist and neither would 12/12 from seed so that is false. I didnt address lighting because that would be included in the environmental part I talked about. An indica dom and a sativa dom can veg for the exact same time so thats false. All the led grows in the led section out yield hid? Um...that is blatantly false. I have talked no shit about led, I actually said they work great several times so that is false. I have no mouse to click so that is false. When you say "its obvious you have never grown anything by all your posts let alone led", I have no idea what that means. Shit genetics in a correct environment will out yield great genetics in a shit environment.

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Your curbside arguments was a waste of my time and to ANYONE who is coming into this thread for some useful information, 12 pages caked in nitpicking... frankly, this is an "indoor lighting" section, and you are fortunate that there is a separate area for "other lighting"

Growing styles is a pref., hyroot could have been speaking to HPS in veg simply to avoid any possible stunting switching spectrums so quickly to go to 12/12 (the sun does not just, boom, change in one day...) whether it be 12 hours or 2 days, its like putting on a new pair of glasses.. these ARE living things. Now, even to compare MH and the RIGHT LED (spectrum), LEDs still have tighter nodes and if you had any clue- you would know that.

you've said quite a bit of shit on here.. but I fucked up and deleted a huge rant I made, just for you. I don't have the time to double for you.

So, my stoner mind gets to bring up 3 of the topics on the forefront,

If you think you can directly replace such an important component in the environment, without adjusting your any of your own techniques.... c'mon....

you say 1lb/600... 450g/600, 225/300..... take it to the single, quality LED panels' draw... 150w pulling 4 ounces? That's been done. thats <0.75"gpw," I am one to think it is easier to achieve that goal, and then some, with LED, and THATS been proven time and time again simply by the same space vs lower over consumption.

Now expand that image back to an equivilent wattage... there is no reason why LED's cannot compete, WITH the same veg time... you're the one that brought up extending veg time, and that is not true, (not too mention you are getting the same amount of vegetation in less cubic space [tighter growth])

Coheen has the right idea of staying Green, no mercury, no disposing of bulbs, no thermal management, lesss electricity, plain and simple... HIDs use brute force.

I'm just wrapping up my first LED grow after using HID's for 5 years. For my little closet things have been really nice switching over. The buds are smaller than I'm used to, but I think the yield will be about the same or a little better than my g/w using mh/hps. The quality seems much better... I still want a second and third opinion, but the taste is great and the high is something else. It's a bit too strong for me actually.

It would take about 14-15 months of growing to make back the cost of the lights with the difference in electricity.

We all have different goals in our grows, for me and my needs I really like growing with LED's and don't think I will ever go back to HID's.

I'm using grow evolution lights. Link in my sig... lots of bullshitting in there, sorry it's hard to find pictures.

That's says a lot jig fresh thanks.

Grown under LED:

so leds are about "being green" and thats it?

im really not getting it...

what i am getting is,it's gonna take maybe 2 led units per 1000,and that leds are not for the non scrog/sog growers,unless be used as as mix lighting...(hps/led) ect

and with these led lights being so new,how do we now they can last as long as the companys say?

i want to try one(led) for veg,thats all the info im looking for.

even with all the extra talk,its still good info in this thread.

jig,do you think the smaller buds was from the trimming in veg,or just led..

the fact that some of the more "true" companies have been around 5+ years, and offer 2-3, or even Lifetime warranties speaks in its own, personally.

Ive also personally had issues with these same companies panels, got it fixed within the first week of notice. Yea, I was pissed, the owner and I hit heads through the process too... but he kept his word, and that is worth the RIGHT investment.

And its not JUST about being green, I never got a lb/600, :/ wish I could say I did. but it wasnt the case and I have no problem admitting that. Again, grow styles and scenarios dominate every aspect or perspective...

Noise,
Space,
Heat,

being the bigger factors I see pop up when the "debate" is on the table.. not to mention being cost effective in the long run.

But if you are serious about getting a sweet ass veg light, I would seriously look at Inda-Gro or Plasma, those spectrums are beautiful. If you want LED specifcally Id look at all white panels, I am red heavy, but Neutral white light stacks up so well... just dont get one from groblu or cidly and itll last longer than 6 months Im not going to spam shit everywhere but I do think there is a general consensus that Area51 is the best balance of quality vs. price, and stick the closest to the expected results. (proven), (not even to start about how Apache Tech is one of the ONLY UL and CUL Listed Grow Lights, along with IG)