DemonTrich
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What does rec have to do with a firearm. Please see the already rec legal states. Has every firearm owner who now smokes or grows herm turned in their guns?
I highly doubt it!.
I highly doubt it!.
Will Michigan go legal for recreational in November and will it matter
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MichiganMedGrower
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It’s federal law. Possessing a firearm while committing a felony is the reason. Only “legal” in the states eyes.
SB85
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It's no longer going to be against federal law once cannabis becomes legal at all levels which is bound to happen.
@Stiickygreen I am a Michigan caregiver and doing well with current regs and following the law to the letter. Prices are still decent, but I know that rec will destroy all market value just like in other rec states. I will be out of a job eventually and I don't think its fair. It does chap my ass a bit to see others flaunt their stax on here, but I won't hold it against you. Do what you do man.
Stiickygreen
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It's always been a game shimz....an ever-changing game. I did the caregiver thing here in the early 2000's when there was no limit on how many cards/patients you could have. None. That's what drew in the first wave of out-of-state folks. Then the State figured it out...and that changed to a limit of 10...and you had to register your grow with the State...so we got "extended counts" to cover our asses. Then they figured that out.....then it became a 5 patient limit ...and now...i don't know what the Med/caregiver requirements are. I gave up my card/patients in 2014 when we got Rec.
Every year they've come up with some new restriction and they've ratchet it all down another notch....forcing those of us who enjoy this plant in whatever capacity to find the loopholes present and jump through them. Med was first (as described above)...and now they are hammering at the Rec laws....all because that now eats into THEIR game. Yup...there's a new dealer coming to town kids....
So likewise...do what you do man..and do it big...cus they are coming for your counts soon. They...like I...know full well how that game plays out (sales with no taxes paid)...and how much slides out the backdoor. (mucho sales with no taxes paid) I mean....nobody's patients smoke all that they can grow on their count (and you have 12...right?)...unless they completely and irrevocably suck at growing....heehee.
Best of luck to all....whatever side of the game you are on.
Every year they've come up with some new restriction and they've ratchet it all down another notch....forcing those of us who enjoy this plant in whatever capacity to find the loopholes present and jump through them. Med was first (as described above)...and now they are hammering at the Rec laws....all because that now eats into THEIR game. Yup...there's a new dealer coming to town kids....
So likewise...do what you do man..and do it big...cus they are coming for your counts soon. They...like I...know full well how that game plays out (sales with no taxes paid)...and how much slides out the backdoor. (mucho sales with no taxes paid) I mean....nobody's patients smoke all that they can grow on their count (and you have 12...right?)...unless they completely and irrevocably suck at growing....heehee.
Best of luck to all....whatever side of the game you are on.
thumper60
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they r going to wish they got rid of them if they get caught up,shit man u cant buy a legal gun if u admit u use weed.an lieing is a felony!!
No foolin' @thumper60 they don't mess around when you mix guns n drugs. My firearms are nowhere near my grow and they all technically belong to my wife who does not burn. Having a gun near even a legal grow is sure to get you time.
My point in all this is to say that even though you may feel secure in your "go big" attitude, bubba is waiting around the corner.
My point in all this is to say that even though you may feel secure in your "go big" attitude, bubba is waiting around the corner.
DemonTrich
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You can NOT have firearms along with weed 8n possession. Its 100% legal to own firearms at the household. Just no cpl any longer.
Grandfathered in i guess. Ive had ALL my firearms (pistols and rifles) 1yr longer than my med card.
Grandfathered in i guess. Ive had ALL my firearms (pistols and rifles) 1yr longer than my med card.
Farmer.J
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As a Canadian, I agree 100%. Medical was perfect from Aug 24, 2016 - oct 17, 2018. Our impaired driving laws are ridiculous now. Doesn't matter if you are a med patient or recreational user, 5ng= impaired, where is the science? Rec are allowed to grow, but seeds/clones must be purchased from licensed producers, and they aren't selling them.View attachment 4222332
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the law is perfect right now ...
-let it evolve organically
-we would be unique among the other states with people still holding the most rights and power over the plant
just remember it will become “more illegal when its legal than when it was illegal”
were fkd tho its probably gonna pass because people swallow the dialectic whole without trying to digest it and shutte will be the new governor ...
dont quote me but remember this post in a yr or 2 when people will be pissing and moaning how fkd up it is
they re just destroying a way of life for a lot of people
the culture is over now once its mainstream
they learned all this frm alcohol prohibition
theyve taken the money out of it from the inside out like the law was designed for-
*legal-lies*
the asperger kid gt it along time ago ...
its legal to grow it now
your only legalizing the right for them to sell it to you
after they get that they will go after more of your rights
it creates a mandate for them to change the rules at will
without a vote
these micro grows a few in here mentioned are just micro/macro tax and regulate
you can grow 72plants already!
they will regulate it alright ...
it’ll pass and watch what happens ...
this is all part of the plan theyve had for 50+yrs
herding cats is easy ...
BB10tHD-
pray for whirled peas rrog-
apollo4201982
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Im sure if this bill does pass prices will fall, but i think we can still be competitive as caregivers. Most i hear talking about the bottom falling out pricewise was charging too much. I mean i hear about 80$ price wars on a oz downstate and i also hear its fucking swagg. So if you cant compete with that then you got issues.
My cost per ounce to my patients is imo well below average for mid to upper mid quality.
Wait until all that tax kicks in and they have to charge 400$ for 1 oz i think most people will only go to the store to buy to say they did.
Look at canada recently, seen stories about how they cant keep up with demand but its more because of the lp quality and not quantity.
Im rambling, im more worried about all the hay thats going to be around....lol
My cost per ounce to my patients is imo well below average for mid to upper mid quality.
Wait until all that tax kicks in and they have to charge 400$ for 1 oz i think most people will only go to the store to buy to say they did.
Look at canada recently, seen stories about how they cant keep up with demand but its more because of the lp quality and not quantity.
Im rambling, im more worried about all the hay thats going to be around....lol
thumper60
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yes sir just don't get caught up!!been there done that. its funny how the feds can twist the law when they NEED to
Stiickygreen
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This we agree on shimz....
BEWARE. Nothing is "grandfathered in". Not even close. Doesn't matter who you say is in possession/owns the gun...or who doesn't smoke in the house/etc. or if you've have your gun longer than your med card...or have a med card at all...or not.. If it's in the house where the cultivation is taking place...and there are sales (very few caregivers give their patients their pot)....everyone can go down hard. They don't fuck around. Beyond the cultivation issue...just being in possession of a gun is a crime because you use illegal drugs...and the Federal form @
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download
asks straight up on Line "e" if you use marijuana/illegal drugs or are addicted to any illegal substances. An honest answer nixxes your right to own a gun. A lie is a further crime they can "stack" on you.
No guns here. We'd rather take our chances on counts and not worry about the gun issue. It's MUCH easier to get off for going over count than having a gun in proximity to your grow....
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2017/20170711_Mand-Min.pdf The below is from page 16, I believe... and there's more....
8 U.S.C. § 924(c)43 Section 924(c) of title 18, United States Code, prohibits using or carrying a firearm during and in relation to, or possessing a firearm in furtherance of, a crime of violence or a drug trafficking crime. The statute prescribes a mandatory minimum penalty of at least five years of imprisonment for committing the offense, with increasingly longer mandatory minimum penalties based on how the firearm was used (seven years if the firearm was brandished and ten years if the firearm was discharged) and the type of firearm involved in the crime (ten years if the firearm was a short-barreled rifle, a short-barreled shotgun, or a semiautomatic assault weapon and 30 years if the firearm was a machine gun, a destructive device, or was equipped with a silencer or muffler).45 Section 924(c) further provides that these mandatory minimum penalties must be imposed in addition to, and must run consecutively to, “any other term of imprisonment imposed on the person, including any term of imprisonment imposed for the [underlying] crime of violence or drug trafficking crime ….”46 Section 924(c) also establishes longer mandatory minimum penalties of 25 years for each “second or subsequent conviction” of a section 924(c) offense.47 The Supreme Court has held that when multiple section 924(c) counts are charged in the same proceeding, this longer mandatory minimum penalty of 25 years applies.48
be safe all.
BEWARE. Nothing is "grandfathered in". Not even close. Doesn't matter who you say is in possession/owns the gun...or who doesn't smoke in the house/etc. or if you've have your gun longer than your med card...or have a med card at all...or not.. If it's in the house where the cultivation is taking place...and there are sales (very few caregivers give their patients their pot)....everyone can go down hard. They don't fuck around. Beyond the cultivation issue...just being in possession of a gun is a crime because you use illegal drugs...and the Federal form @
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download
asks straight up on Line "e" if you use marijuana/illegal drugs or are addicted to any illegal substances. An honest answer nixxes your right to own a gun. A lie is a further crime they can "stack" on you.
No guns here. We'd rather take our chances on counts and not worry about the gun issue. It's MUCH easier to get off for going over count than having a gun in proximity to your grow....
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2017/20170711_Mand-Min.pdf The below is from page 16, I believe... and there's more....
8 U.S.C. § 924(c)43 Section 924(c) of title 18, United States Code, prohibits using or carrying a firearm during and in relation to, or possessing a firearm in furtherance of, a crime of violence or a drug trafficking crime. The statute prescribes a mandatory minimum penalty of at least five years of imprisonment for committing the offense, with increasingly longer mandatory minimum penalties based on how the firearm was used (seven years if the firearm was brandished and ten years if the firearm was discharged) and the type of firearm involved in the crime (ten years if the firearm was a short-barreled rifle, a short-barreled shotgun, or a semiautomatic assault weapon and 30 years if the firearm was a machine gun, a destructive device, or was equipped with a silencer or muffler).45 Section 924(c) further provides that these mandatory minimum penalties must be imposed in addition to, and must run consecutively to, “any other term of imprisonment imposed on the person, including any term of imprisonment imposed for the [underlying] crime of violence or drug trafficking crime ….”46 Section 924(c) also establishes longer mandatory minimum penalties of 25 years for each “second or subsequent conviction” of a section 924(c) offense.47 The Supreme Court has held that when multiple section 924(c) counts are charged in the same proceeding, this longer mandatory minimum penalty of 25 years applies.48
be safe all.
, but polls have been wrong before.
thenasty1
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the firearms issue varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. there have been reports of leo finding a caregivers guns and, after confirming that everything was on the up and up, returning them after everything was said and done. obviously, the opposite has happened as well, and decent, law abiding people are now rotting in prison for the same thing. i think this issue is very important, and it sucks that no one is speaking up publicly about it. it is absolute hogwash for a persons choice of medication to negate their constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms. i understand that politicians and lobbyist groups might be afraid to speak up on this (out of fear of alienating a fair percentage of their support base), but it needs to be addressed. a person who cultivates and/or medicates in accordance with the law, who also owns and operates firearms in accordance with the law, should not be hassled or prosecuted for either. especially while a person who has a dealer quantity prescription to some opiate based thing or another has no worries when it comes to owning or carrying a gun. the guy who sells poison to anyone with money can purchase or carry no problem, but the guy who grows medicine (and distributes legally) is not allowed to have a tool to protect his crop and property? hogwash. i fully support the process of verifying that a person is of sound mind and legally eligible to own or carry a gun. everyone has that right, and everyone is subject to prosecution if they abuse it. but denying someone their second amendment rights because of antiquated, reefer madness sentiment is ethically wrong, and i believe the people who wrote the document that guarantees those rights would turn over in their graves if they knew how this was being handled.
NrthrnMichigan
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Any exit poll opinions from your experience today?
doctordetroit
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There's dispensarys on 8 mile selling $3 grams and $100 oz already.