nuskool89
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It’s funny because you go sit your ass down right after it and just bask in the discomfort. Only shot ive had that actually bothered me the next day like you mention
Will You Take The Vaccine?
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TheManicOrganicDK
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But man... You forget the fact that scientists have been studying coronaviruses for more than 50 years.?I made another thread about this awhile ago. A safe and effective vaccine takes 10-15 years to develop. Mostly because the trail periods take so long and you won't know the true side effects sometimes 6 months to a year later.
Vaccine Development, Testing, and Regulation | History of Vaccines
EDITOR'S NOTE (25 JANUARY 2022): Many anti-vaccine people and organizations are not presenting the information in this article in full context. The article below covers vaccines before the current COVID-19 pandemic. We will be updating…www.historyofvaccines.org
Dont you think that should be included in your "stating the facts".?
HGCC
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God it makes my brain hurt though. I think soldiers should be like "fuck that shit" and not surrender their free will and moral beliefs. Basically I don't agree with the "just following orders" defense. I would be a terrible soldier, I recognize that runs counter to what actual soldiers need to do.
Why does it keep having to be the stupid bullshit that builds the hill they want to die on. Why can't they be like "hey let's all have good education, communities, opportunities...etc." Instead that energy is channeled into demon sperm or whatever and arguing against stuff that doesn't exist.
Roger A. Shrubber
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you would be a terrible soldier..there are lawful and unlawful orders, and procedures to follow when you believe an order is unlawful...you can say no, but you damn well better be able to prove that the order you are refusing IS unlawful, or it's your ass.
i don't have a reply to your second paragraph....
nuskool89
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It’s a serious problem in the current group of enlistees. Sensitive, entitled, weak minded mother fuckers in mass.
“I will support and defend the constitution of the United States of America and I will obey the orders of those appointed over me”
It’s not about blindly following orders, we are a volunteer force and it’s not for everyone. Respecting the chain of command and understanding what you’re a part of is bigger than you, requires a certain sense of humility. We give up our freedoms so that you, the civilian citizens of the United States, do not have to.
Hence my political leanings. The citizenry is not a collective. Individual rights we are born with as Americans, along with the protections the Bill of Rights grants the individual, must be protected.
The only place a forced collective belongs in the United States is in the Armed Services/DOD or in the corporate environment. Both of which are up to the individual to volunteer for. That’s why I don’t particularly oppose companies or the military imposing vaccine mandates.
hanimmal
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Got to wonder if it all the white males being told they are special because girls don't belong or racist shit.
Maybe if they were not given some foolish idea that they were more special because they were born white and male or whatever it is that these guys feel it would be a lot less of what you are talking about.
HGCC
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Concur, me...I would be a terrible soldier, unless on board with whatever we are fighting for. I couldn't justify "spreading democracy" or whatever, I don't view most of the military action after ww2 as particularly morale. I always use crazy exaggerated examples, I think the morale obligation to people/humanity is greater than what you owe the government. If you get orders to wipe out a village of women and children you should say nope (thats my wacky example, it's always more gray than that).
That said, if you sign up, well, yeah then you do sort of have to do it. Choose to join an organization and you need to abide by what they say/do or leave. I knew quite a few that signed up back in 98-2000 to get the various benefits, for kids in the rural midwest it was one of the better career choices available...then we got into a 20 year war. They were not really into that, but well...you have to take the responsibilities if you want the benefits. It makes me really sad as it broke quite a few people mentally.
That said, if you sign up, well, yeah then you do sort of have to do it. Choose to join an organization and you need to abide by what they say/do or leave. I knew quite a few that signed up back in 98-2000 to get the various benefits, for kids in the rural midwest it was one of the better career choices available...then we got into a 20 year war. They were not really into that, but well...you have to take the responsibilities if you want the benefits. It makes me really sad as it broke quite a few people mentally.
Moflow
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Well, I'm now officially quadruple vaccinated.
I went for my appointment at 10.15am this morning.
Flu jab in one arm, Moderna in the other.
I didn't bother asking which arm got what. I don't care,as long as I got them lol
Previously I had the two AstraZenica doses, 6 months ago.
The wife got her booster and flu jabs last week.
I went for my appointment at 10.15am this morning.
Flu jab in one arm, Moderna in the other.
I didn't bother asking which arm got what. I don't care,as long as I got them lol
Previously I had the two AstraZenica doses, 6 months ago.
The wife got her booster and flu jabs last week.
zeddd
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Thanks for the update
DIY-HP-LED
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Fact check: No, natural immunity doesn’t replace vaccination, experts say - National | Globalnews.ca
Vaccines offer consistent protection against COVID-19 -- and unlike natural immunity, you don’t have to get sick to gain the protective benefits of a vaccine.
globalnews.ca
Fact check: No, natural immunity doesn’t replace vaccination, experts say
Natural immunity will not protect you against COVID-19 as well as an mRNA vaccine, according to both experts and the research.
Multiple anti-vaccine groups touted natural immunity as a viable alternative to getting vaccinated, but experts say the natural immunity is unreliable — especially when there’s a safe and effective vaccine out there.
Even if you’ve already had COVID, you should still get vaccinated, doctors say.
“The idea of natural immunity, people are kind of taking that and running with it, thinking, ‘I don’t need to get vaccinated.’ That’s not true, either,” said Dr. Sumon Chakrabarti...
Fogdog
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Having served doesn't immunize a person from fascist ideology.
Fascists are the real threat to this country.
DIY-HP-LED
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Mandates work...
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news.yahoo.com
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One of SC’s largest counties imposed a COVID vaccine mandate. Then, 96% got the shot
New figures released by Charleston County show its vaccine mandate has succeeded in nudging more people to get the life-saving shots. Other SC cities are seeing the same.
captainmorgan
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Lots of school closings around here with 25% of cases being children, the GOP are pissed that people don't want to sacrifice their children to the orange messiah.
Moflow
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Putin Says He Took Nasal Spray Covid Vaccine - The Moscow Times
Russian President Vladimir Putin said he has received an experimental nasal coronavirus vaccine days after receiving a booster shot as authorities continue to struggle to convince people to get vaccinated.
Dr.Amber Trichome
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Powder Nasal Spray? How effective could that be. He sounds desperate. So weird.Putin Says He Took Nasal Spray Covid Vaccine - The Moscow Times
Russian President Vladimir Putin said he has received an experimental nasal coronavirus vaccine days after receiving a booster shot as authorities continue to struggle to convince people to get vaccinated.www.themoscowtimes.com
canndo
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Fact check: No, natural immunity doesn’t replace vaccination, experts say - National | Globalnews.ca
Vaccines offer consistent protection against COVID-19 -- and unlike natural immunity, you don’t have to get sick to gain the protective benefits of a vaccine.
Fact check: No, natural immunity doesn’t replace vaccination, experts say
Natural immunity will not protect you against COVID-19 as well as an mRNA vaccine, according to both experts and the research.
Multiple anti-vaccine groups touted natural immunity as a viable alternative to getting vaccinated, but experts say the natural immunity is unreliable — especially when there’s a safe and effective vaccine out there.
Even if you’ve already had COVID, you should still get vaccinated, doctors say.
“The idea of natural immunity, people are kind of taking that and running with it, thinking, ‘I don’t need to get vaccinated.’ That’s not true, either,” said Dr. Sumon Chakrabarti...
I still fail to understand the anti vaxx argument here.
"I will get sick so I can arm my immune system so I won't get the same disease I just got.
potroastV2
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I hear ya Man. There is no sense to even consider not getting the shots. But people are stupid.
That's why some people "need" a stay-at-home lockdown order. They require absolute direction. Now that the vaccine is available, and free, everyone should get it. However, back to the "people are stupid" part, almost one-third of people need to be directed, so there should be mandates to get the shot. That is what is required because so many folks don't do anything until they have to.
Just like the folks who file their taxes on the last day, even when they will receive a refund! That's just stupid, but, y'know, people ...
Make it mandatory, and give a final date to do it, and most will get the shots.
canndo
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And should any of them catch the disease they will gladly hook down the new, "untested" pill. The vaccine has been administered what? A billion times? But the pills are OK. One might begin to suspect that it is all really about a fear of needles.I hear ya Man. There is no sense to even consider not getting the shots. But people are stupid.
That's why some people "need" a stay-at-home lockdown order. They require absolute direction. Now that the vaccine is available, and free, everyone should get it. However, back to the "people are stupid" part, almost one-third of people need to be directed, so there should be mandates to get the shot. That is what is required because so many folks don't do anything until they have to.
Just like the folks who file their taxes on the last day, even when they will receive a refund! That's just stupid, but, y'know, people ...
Make it mandatory, and give a final date to do it, and most will get the shots.
captainmorgan
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I get my booster in 12 days.
nuskool89
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The data on the J&J vaccine booster efficacy is promising. I sought out the J&J and got my first dose back in September
www.yalemedicine.org
www.bostonglobe.com
^this sort of data and the link below are one of the reasons I chose the J&J
You Got the J&J Vaccine: Should You Get the booster?
An advisory panel to the FDA recommended emergency use authorization of Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 booster shots. Yale Medicine experts share seven things you need to know about the additional doses.
www.yalemedicine.org
Study says Johnson & Johnson vaccine immune response is lower but more durable than Pfizer and Moderna - The Boston Globe
The findings, published Friday in the New England Journal of Medicine, come from a study of a few dozen people at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, which analyzed blood samples of fully vaccinated people.
www.bostonglobe.com
^this sort of data and the link below are one of the reasons I chose the J&J
Why Johnson & Johnson's COVID-19 vaccine could be the best shot
Some people might prefer Johnson & Johnson's shot because it was tested on variants, has milder side effects, and is easier to get.
www.businessinsider.com
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