wilma 4 pot dripper system, medium advice

i just bought myself a wilma 4 pot dripper system! im kind of excited!

i still have lots of stuff to get, like a decent light as i only have a 125f, still need a tent etc.

as it goes i may aswell ask for help on a couple of things.

first of all, what should i use as a medium? i read here, but some like clay pebbles and rock wall, some like soil. myself, i like soil aswell or atleast the idea.
i want to keep it simple so who ever says the best advice wins even better links to the best products! if soil wins do i need to mix it with anything for drainage?

as for the tent, hmm im stuck here. im pretty skint but will still get a half decent tent. the 4 pot system i got is, 26.25" x 22.5" x 7.5", despite me searching im to thick, or too stoned to work out what size tent i need?

also the pots are only 11L apose to the big 4 pot which is 18L, if anyone uses this system can i get some ideas on some shit hot weed i grow in them? its in my house so i can have massive plants, sort of the smaller the better with max yeild and biggest kick in the head

any advice welcome

thank you

hey man sounds like a wicked little system, do you have a link for it?

if you are going to use soil i recommend "Pro-mix HP" or "Pro-mix BX". I use the "HP" which is recommended for indoor grows becuz it has more "pearlite" (helps airate, helps dry up quicker) in it then "vermaculite" (holds water, less watering needed).. so i would also recommend the "HP" this way you will get more feeds in, in the long run. Its about $30 give or take here in canada for a big bail of it, which fills up a good 3 recycle bins plus mayb another half of one? anyways its alot.. its called a "soiless mix" which means there is no fertilizers in it period, no manure, no nothing.. so it is perfect for this becuz i would assume your going to be using some sort of nutrients in the drip system to feed..

so for this system you will need to figure out how long you are going to be growing them and how big you want them.. i need to see a picture of the system.. i would assume the pots can be placed far away from each other with no problems regarding tubing? and you say they are 11 litres.. well you could veg. them for a month and LST thats with no problems what so ever.. i can help you with lights and ur grow tent too if you can help me understand your limits on everything.

thats great, i could use all the help i can get here! i really have no clue, i do already have 1 plant that i ahve been asking with help for, but its doing sod all but costing me money. so im gonna smoke it

i live in a one bedroom flat, i have a nice amount of room behind my sofa, i seen this system and feel in love, it looks perfect!

here is a link for it...sorry i dont know how to bb code it

http://www.hg-hydroponics.co.uk/atami-wilma-4-pot-drip-feed-kit-1444-p.asp

i also got some propergation lids, if you like this system then i guess these lids are a must?

http://www.hg-hydroponics.co.uk/atami-wilma-propgation-lid-1449-p.asp

i need everything to grow, i mean in regards to lights, tents, ventilation, anything thing you can help me with.

i smoke shit loads of weed but my bank account is taking a caining, i live above another flat, i smoke tons of the stuff and never get complaints and i know it stinks, but if im growing 4 plants i know this is going to much worse than a joint.
so i will be venting stright out of the tent into my living room.

i dont want to mess around too much but im not exactly alan tichmarsh. althought im fasinate with the sicence behind this, but as a nood i will crawl 1st. i will be using nuts but again i really dont know what im doing. so put some seeds in a pot, shut the door and leave them, quick as possible would be good

i just want to smoke the shit!

hope this helps

hahahaha yes bro! sound like me man lol.. just in regards to burning so much weed n not knowing shit but interested to grow.. thats how i was a couple months ago, now im full of useful basic knowledge, i dont preach bullshit i dont know about just cuz i herd it so i will gladly help you out as best i can man. giv me a sec and i will tell you a few things

now thats good you already have one plant, what are you growing it under? you should flower it and take 4 clones... then you can fill your system up... what kind of lighting system are you wanting to use.. HID/CFL/LED?

here is a link of all kinds of different grow tents:
http://www.greners.com/grow-tents.html

here is the one i suggest or atleast similar in size for your system:
http://www.greners.com/grow-tents/secret-jardin/secret-jardin-dark-room-grow-tent-dr80.html

hope this helps for now n e ways, im heading to bed soon man, i live in Canada as i said, its 5am here right now lol! ive bin up all night

oh and now that i realize your system i would recommend clay pebbles... i dont know much about a drip system but i would assume that you have a timer for it to turn it on and off so often? if you use clay pebbles you can have it running pretty often becuz it will drain/dry out so much quicker..

mate thats such a great idea!! i have no idea what my plant is, i just know its female and dosnt like me (most females dont ), its growing in my warbrobe at the moment under a 125 fluresant light. as a stoner i cant keep track of lighting, i have been flowering it well over 2 months, under a 12 hour cycle (if i remeber that is, so, some time it gets more light, other times more dark) i know thats no good, but im useless, either drunk or stoned, or both

if you look on my profile there are some pictures of my plant and set up, and its a hopeless attempt, the plant just wont grow! lol

yes the shop suggests clay pebbles but i dont see any hard in using soil? if you think i should go with the clay pebbles then i will, after all, you know more than me!

i been looking at 400w HPS, i can afford one and should keep my bill reasonable. i need everything mate, ducting, fans, canisters to stop it smelling, c02 of some sort, timers, i just have no clue what is good enough for the job, if im left to my own devices i will end up with the best equpiment which i just dont need, and probs enough stuff to grow 100 plants lol. i get carryed away and i wouldnt mind some savings left!

you get some sleep mate, i been up since 4.30am with this idea in my head. cheers for the help, i really do need my hand holding here, advice for everything i need. look foward to your next post

if thats the tent i need, the one you suggested, then i will get that one. will be here ASAP, cheers bud

hey man hows it going!?

so i took a look at a few of ur pics.. did you just take those pics recently?

becuz if you have bin flowering that plant for over 2 months then i say you have messed up the lighting a few times or something becuz it looks nowhere near done. it looks like it is in the first 2 weeks of flowering.

it also doesnt help trying to flower with a vegatative light spectrum being ur 125watt florescent.. this is for VEG ONLY.. so now that i realize you have this nice big veg. bulb i would get just an HPS system.. a 400watt would be perfect.. and is probably the max you can use for the size tent you need.. you will need an aircooled reflector to keep the bulb cool cuz it will probably get a little too hot in there.. the tent i suggested suggests that you use a 250watt system.. but like i said im sure it shouldnt be a problem long as you directly cool the light itself.. do you plan on doing everything in this tent? or just flowering?

i have a 400watt MH system, 7200k bulb for veg growth and i have a 3200k MH bulb to flower with also.. (we could get into a debate about what is better to flower with, MH or HPS but it is most commonly recommended to flower with HPS becuz of the higher red spectrum in it) which i havent got to try out yet, i usually use a 1000watt HPS on a light mover.. i have lots of equipment long story short, got it all thrown to me from a friend who didnt want extra equipment laying around his place, i gave him a half oz of purple kush for everything..

-1000watt MH
-1000watt HPS
-400watt MH
-bulbs
-air pumps
-water pump
-light mover
-etc. etc.

yes them pictures are less than a month old. i guess i been doing something wrong and i have totally messed up the lighting (i just ordered a timer)
i got that plant that size, and it has never changed lol. would it hurt to put it back into veg under 18 hours of light? i love your idea of cloneing it, but it has no leafs big enough to take off. all it has been doing is producing new leafs then dieing lol. i honestly give up with it. all im doing is keeping it alive, just.

also the tent you suggested was the same size as the system i got, so i was recommended to got for the DR100 just so the plants have some room. i also went with the clay pebbles as the store owner said i would find it easier to keep under control.

yea im actually thinking about 250 HPS or the 400, i know 400w light would be better but i need to keep the getting caught factor down. handy thing is my electric is pay as you go meter. i cant afford to mess around with diffrent bulbs, they not cheap!

i was planning on doing everything inside the tent yes. veg and flowering. germinate the seeds in rockwool, then into a bigger rockwool cude, into the pots, put the lid on, let them get strong.
i been looking around and for my 1st attempt i will probs grow a few lowriders, the auto flowering kind as i dont have to mess about, just leave the light on. and let them do their thing!

could you tell me about how to keep the tent cool, like what size fans i need, also what size and of canister i would need to remove the smell?
i still have alot of things to get yet, but as soon as im up and running i will get some pics, keep you post if you want

so i got the wilma 4 pot dripper system, i got a 125 flurecent light which i can use to start my babies off, got a tent on the way, a segmental timer for the water pump, another timer for the light.
what else should i get?

i was thinking about vegging in my wardrobe, not me personaly, my plants but i cant control it very well in there, get lots of light leak etc. and i cant control the temp in there to well either. but i dont see why i cant start the plants under that light in my tent? then just change the whole lighting stystem when its time to flower?

YOUR PLANT..

ya a light timer is an absolute must! it keeps the consistency of light provided to the plant. This is probly the MAIN reason behind your plant not finishing flowering among other things.

When you flower a plant you need to make sure there are no light leaks, it has to be completely dark when the light is off, low humidity, 12h on/12h off light cycle, temperature between 75-85 (all the time not just during flower), low nitrogen nutrients if any at all, and you want to trim the fan leaves first on day 21 of flower, then again on day 45 of flower. Im sure there are lots more things ive forgot, but theres a few things to keep in mind for now, write them down. I have a notepad on my computer that i always add to everytime i come across new information that i find useful being basic advice obviously, all that complicated stuff is trial and error and commonly gets into big debates on sites like these, just stick to the basics and keep it simple.

I don't see any harm in you vegging your plant again, it will take a little while to come back from the stress but if you've got the time and space to keep it around i would advise you to do so. When your plant re-veg's back you can take some clones. I just dont want to make this complicated for you, lets just focus on ur upcoming grow. Cloneing is easy and it is no problem for me to teach u but there are lots of things i want to tell you about cloneing so that will be another post on its own another time. Some people veg. on a light cycle of 18h on/6h off and some people veg. 24h on straight. I personally like 18/6.. i feel you are just wasting electricity with 24/0 but again people will debate what is better. I plan on doing a side by side comparison with a CFL over each clone soon.

I'm watching a movie with the girlfriend so i'll come back and reply some more to ur last post, cheers bro

YOUR TENT..

The DR100 is perfect bro! my bad, i meant to correct myself before actually good thing u looked into that didnt think u were going to order one up so quick lol. so good job n e ways.

YOUR LIGHT..

You should def. go for the 400watt man, im sure you could get away with that fine. i love my 400watt its perfect for exactly what your trying to accomplish which was my original plan but ended up with more equipment so my idea had to expand lol. But if your still sketched a 250watt will be fine, but in my opinion ur tent will be a little too big to help with reflecting the light (not a big deal AT ALL just saying).. the 400watt is IDEAL for your tent size being around 3'x3' so again id go with the 400watt.

the funny thing is im actually somewhat in the process of setting up something exactly like what ur doing.. i wanted to eventually have a grow tent for each of my lights so i can have multiple grows going instead of one HUGE one thats more likely to get busted. i was going to buy a tent for my 400watt first, so this will actually be interesting/helping me out aswell as you lol.

i'll come back and post another reply again after, sorry lol.

MEDIUM..

clay pebbles are exactly that, easier to control, they dont hold water, just your rockwool will.. so this makes flushing really easy if you come across overfeeding your plants or n e thing. You will want the drip system running 24/7 with clay pebbles tho, i will attempt to get some of my friends into ur thread here who will be more helpful explaining hydro systems among other things.

SEEDS..

i actually did the same thing for my first grow, i grew 2 autogrowers. I purchased them from www.dope-seeds.com. I purchased a 5 pack of feminized "Mi5" seeds and recieved 2 "Snowryder" seeds free with the order.

There are 3 different kinds of marijuana if you will.. indica/sativa/& ruderalis. The ruderalis plant is considered the shit weed and no one bothers to grow it on its own. Autogrowers are created from breeding the ruderalis plant with any sort of indica or sativa becuz ruderalis has no specific lighting needs for flowering and just flowers on its own. Autogrowers just want light and thats it from what ive learnt.. so in this case i would veg. them under ur 125 flu. for 24/0 and flower them under the 400watt 18/6... im not very experienced with autgrower's but this is what ive learnt and that is my suggestion.. some other people might say flower 24/0 still.

PS. you CAN'T clone autogrowers.. autogrowers flower on they're own so trying to put them back into veg by changing the lighting cycle will just not work.

ON ANOTHER NOTE (this obviously not being autogrowers)

If you can i would recommend to continue leaving your mother under your 125 flu. on 18/6 lighting till it vegs. back then:
-take 5 clones (4 for your wilma system and 1 for a new mother plant)
-then you can put the original plant u cloned from into flower, in your tent.
-then you can veg. your 5 new clones (after they root) under the 125 flu. in ur wardrobe or whatever it was
-harvest your mother plant once it is finished flowering
-then begin flowering your 4 clones
-continue vegging the 1 clone so it can be a mother.
-then create an on going cycle

This all of course if you dont want to keep spending money on seeds. For this you obviously need to fix up your wardrobe a bit (light proof, ventilation, etc.).

OR..

You can just order some seeds and toss the plant you have right now in the gargbage and get rid of your wardrobe and just do single grows where you would veg. then flower in ur tent, then start over after you harvest and keep having to buy seeds.

OR..

Order some seeds and plant 4 in the wilma system and one in a pot with soil (doesnt have to be soil, just an easy example) and keep that 5th one as a mother continously vegging in ur wardrobe.. then you can setup a cycle and not have to keep buying seeds and still toss out ur current plant to get it out of the way.

let me know what your thinking, you want to have a grow plan before you start everything so that your not screwing urself over in the long run with time wasted where you could have had another harvest or something.

this is great mate. i cant thank you enough for your help. im flat out busy today but as soon as i have some time, i will come and reply your posts. cheers dude! your a god send and right before xmas! respect

could you tell me about how to keep the tent cool, like what size fans i need, also what size and of canister i would need to remove the smell?

i probly should have replied to each of ur questions individually by quoting them but too late now i guess lol sorry.

ok so for fans, i will try my best here but you might want to ask your hydro shop about this one or do some extra research. Your tent is 39.5"x39.5"x72" this works out to be about 3.3'x3.3'x6'= 65.34 cubic feet.. so we will say your tent is about "65 cubic feet"

so this means you want an "intake" fan no less then "65 cfm" (cubic feet per minute). I think the smallest cfm fan you can get is 80cfm which isnt a problem. For your "exhaust" fan I'm a little iffy as to what the "cfm" should be, but i know it is suppose to be more then your "intake" fan to create "negative pressure" in ur tent, apparently marijuana loves negative pressure. For your carbon filter it should be more "cfms" then your "exhaust" fan becuz it takes a little extra time for the air to be cleaned. Thats about all i can tell you right now man hope that helps you a little.

this all also depends on how you want to ventilate your tent, some people directly vent they're light thru air cooled light reflectors, some people just vent the whole tent, and some people do both its up to you and all depends on how hot your light is and how hot it makes your tent.

so i got the wilma 4 pot dripper system, i got a 125 flurecent light which i can use to start my babies off, got a tent on the way, a segmental timer for the water pump, another timer for the light. what else should i get?

Well you need a flower light obviously, as i said i think u should go with the 400watt, you will get denser buds then with the 250watt.

You NEED:

-ph tester/meter (meters are expensive but a good investment)
-intake fan
-exhaust fan
-carbon filter
-pipecleaners (help you tie branches down etc.)
-spray bottle
-cloneing gel
-rapid rooters (i prefer them over rockwool for cloneing or starting seeds)
-tray with humidity dome for rooting clones
-some sort of light hanging device to help adjust height of light when needed

hope this helps for now.. i'll wait till your next post before i reply again. cheers

imconfused said:

this is great mate. i cant thank you enough for your help. im flat out busy today but as soon as i have some time, i will come and reply your posts. cheers dude! your a god send and right before xmas! respect

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ya man no problem! the friends ive met on here are all about paying it forward and have sure helped me out, all i can do is pass the favor on.

i could actually figure something out for you so that you harvest 1 plant every 2 weeks if you want?

or do you just want to harvest the 4 plants every harvest.. this would be longer periods obviously.

Hi, hows the grow going? am looking to do wilma next and would like to know how your getting on?
good growing
GG

sorry i never got back to this. Gibbs i actually got most of that stuff but the plant i had turned out shit anyway, was root bound and barely got you stoned. i got about 2 ounces.

gr33n*giant i cant answer your question sorry i sold the drip system and just stuck with soil. if you like science then go for it.....but get the big pot as the standard ones are to close together and you wont get very big plants.

i tied cloning 5 times and failed each time so i resorted to buying them now. much easier