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Indoor Sun King

Indoor Sun King

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supchaka said:
With my hydro I shoot for 5.8 but ill throw anything in there if it falls between 5.6-6. Personally I'd lean towards an over fert issue. How long do you let the nutes mix too? I'm assuming its powdered and you should be checking the ph after mixing. I'd let powder mix with an air stone for probably 15 minutes before checking it. Do you have a ppm meter to know exactly how much the final mix is?

edit: hell it could be an under fert issue too. They can have similar symptoms in the beginning. That's why I like to know the ppm
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I mixed 7 grams of GH MaxiGro with hot water and shake for about 5 to 10 minutes until 100% dissolved.
I pour that mixture into a 4 litre jug (1 US Gal) of tap water that has a pH of 6.8.
The nutes lowers the pH to about 4, so I use pH + to bring it up to approx 5.8
This mixture sits in the jug and is consumed as required.
I do not have a pH meter, I use the drops, so my numbers are likely not accurate
I do not have a PPM meter mostly because I do not understand this concept as to what is a good PPM and how to adjust it if is not.

So if it sounds like I'm trying to grow this hempy on a wing and a prayer...well that would be accurate
 
Shaggn

Shaggn

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thecoolman said:
It would be the non recirculating and also learn to read your plants and not use a feeding schedule... if you were nitrogen deficient as you said in your earlier post add more nutes
dont blame the fertilizer company.
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Hmm, wasn't blaming the company. Thanks for your input though :)
 
supchaka

supchaka

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Indoor Sun King said:
I mixed 7 grams of GH MaxiGro with hot water and shake for about 5 to 10 minutes until 100% dissolved.
I pour that mixture into a 4 litre jug (1 US Gal) of tap water that has a pH of 6.8.
The nutes lowers the pH to about 4, so I use pH + to bring it up to approx 5.8
This mixture sits in the jug and is consumed as required.
I do not have a pH meter, I use the drops, so my numbers are likely not accurate
I do not have a PPM meter mostly because I do not understand this concept as to what is a good PPM and how to adjust it if is not.

So if it sounds like I'm trying to grow this hempy on a wing and a prayer...well that would be accurate
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Yeah I'd certainly invest in some cheap meters even. Mine were like $7 a piece off eBay. If your ph drops to 4 after adding nutes it tells me the ppm is "probably" really high. I use ph down only, I don't own ph up. And I'll mix my nutes weaker if I have to to not undershoot my goal ph. That's just me though!

another question, how many days does it take to use your nutes? Ph will typically float up on a sitting mixture over days. I tried mixing a bigger batch in advance and it just didn't sit pretty so I'm back to only mixing what I use for the day.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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Indoor Sun King said:
I mixed 7 grams of GH MaxiGro with hot water and shake for about 5 to 10 minutes until 100% dissolved.
I pour that mixture into a 4 litre jug (1 US Gal) of tap water that has a pH of 6.8.
The nutes lowers the pH to about 4, so I use pH + to bring it up to approx 5.8
This mixture sits in the jug and is consumed as required.
I do not have a pH meter, I use the drops, so my numbers are likely not accurate
I do not have a PPM meter mostly because I do not understand this concept as to what is a good PPM and how to adjust it if is not.

So if it sounds like I'm trying to grow this hempy on a wing and a prayer...well that would be accurate
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I wouldnt let the solution sit out in a jug.

Moebius said:

pH imperfection #1: the pH of the water used to dilute nutrients

Freshly distilled or deionized water has a pH of 7. However, the pH of the water may fall to as low as 5.5 within hours of preparation. This is because water absorbs carbon dioxide (CO2) from the air.
The behavior of tap water is even more complex. It contains dissolved and slightly alkaline calcium and/or magnesium salts. In this case, absorption of CO2 from the air makes predicting the pH even more challenging.
Because the calcium and magnesium salts in most tap waters, not to mention even more chemically complex well and spring waters, create such serious problems, many hydroponic growers, from hobbyists to huge commercial greenhouses, prefer using treated water. Although a number of water treatment systems exist, reverse-osmosis (RO) is considered the most economical. Water obtained from an RO system is almost as good as expensive distilled water.
Another option is to adjust the pH of tap water before using it. This can be done with so-called pH up or pH down additives. However, this task is demanding and often done incorrectly-and what's worse, the acidic and alkaline chemicals used in these products, and the resulting sudden fluctuations in pH when they are added to the reservoir, can be hard on your plants.

http://www.advancednutrients.com/breakthrough/
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Indoor Sun King

Indoor Sun King

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supchaka said:
Yeah I'd certainly invest in some cheap meters even. Mine were like $7 a piece off eBay. If your ph drops to 4 after adding nutes it tells me the ppm is "probably" really high. I use ph down only, I don't own ph up. And I'll mix my nutes weaker if I have to to not undershoot my goal ph. That's just me though!

another question, how many days does it take to use your nutes? Ph will typically float up on a sitting mixture over days. I tried mixing a bigger batch in advance and it just didn't sit pretty so I'm back to only mixing what I use for the day.
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I first started with a very light dose of nutes and just recently mixed up full-strength gallon jug...so it will likely last for over a week. (maybe this is not a good idea to do)

As stated, I don't understand PPM...is a high PPM good or bad...would it be better if I used distilled water?
 
Moebius

Moebius

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Regarding PPM meter. ... Ive used them many times in the past. When starting Hempy I bought a brand-new bluelab truncheon. .... It remains brand-new/un-used and I'll probably sell it on ebay.

I know some find the EC/PPM levels useful to know but feel (for me) its nothing but a distraction in Hempy style. I would'nt be without one in DWC of NFT.

 
Figong

Figong

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Moebius said:
Regarding PPM meter. ... Ive used them many times in the past. When starting Hempy I bought a brand-new bluelab truncheon. .... It remain brand-new/un-used and I'll probably sell it on ebay.

I know some find the EC/PPM levels useful to know but feel (for me) its nothing but a distraction in Hempy style. I would'nt be without one in DWC of NFT.

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Does that one do CF too, or just EC/PPM? I was pretty sure they had a trucheon type that did CF as well, but wanted to ask.. depending on how budget is when you decide to post the ebay sale.. I may need a link, or will just buy from you direct to ensure that the $ I'd spend stays in the RIU family.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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Figong said:
Does that one do CF too, or just EC/PPM? I was pretty sure they had a trucheon type that did CF as well, but wanted to ask.. depending on how budget is when you decide to post the ebay sale.. I may need a link, or will just buy from you direct to ensure that the $ I'd spend stays in the RIU family.
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It does CF/EC and PPM 500(USA) and PPM 700 (UK)

EDIT:

I'm on the other side of the world probably not making it worth it. Plus I couldn't reveal my ebay account. LOL.
 
808killahz

808killahz

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From what ive ready on hempy by mr. Hempy himself, a ppm meter is not required. Just mix your nutes, ph it correctly and water. Hempy was made to be as simple as possible. Always start with a low dilution rate and bump it up over time til you find the sweet spot and keep it there.
 
whocares100

whocares100

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hey again everyone., Been working on finishing my project, the T5 bulbs went out, not sure if it's the bulbs or the fixture :(... I'll try to figure it out later...My plants are doing well in The Vault getting ready to bloom, I have started LST for some of the bushy ones...will it hurt if I tie down some of the branches while they are in bloom? I think it will help in my limited space...
 
808killahz

808killahz

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You can most definitely tie branches down in flower. Make sure u leave a small amount of space in you tie for stem growth
 
Txchilies

Txchilies

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808killahz said:
From what ive ready on hempy by mr. Hempy himself, a ppm meter is not required. Just mix your nutes, ph it correctly and water. Hempy was made to be as simple as possible. Always start with a low dilution rate and bump it up over time til you find the sweet spot and keep it there.
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Killahz dead on with No ppm meter required following the hempy method and lucas formula, though as stated proper pH is a must to getting the results you want. Finding that sweet spot is very strain dependant as some like it lower in nute strength and some like it hot as hell.
 
Txchilies

Txchilies

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whocares100 said:
hey again everyone., Been working on finishing my project, the T5 bulbs went out, not sure if it's the bulbs or the fixture :(... I'll try to figure it out later...My plants are doing well in The Vault getting ready to bloom, I have started LST for some of the bushy ones...will it hurt if I tie down some of the branches while they are in bloom? I think it will help in my limited space...
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Yes, bend the hell out your plants in a small area, though use some caution so you don't break anything. Best to begin bending and train in veg, but can still be done in the early stag of flowering, generally after the 5th or 6th week of flowering it's not much help. You could even supercrop your taller stems and branches which will lower your canopy causing lower bud site to grow out.
 
blacksun

blacksun

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I know it's a little offT, just wanted to chime in on 12-1...I've used the 12-1 light schedule for veg for a few years. It works great at keeping the plants in veg just the same as any other veg schedule. In addition, it saves five to nine hours worth of electricity per day vs. 18-6 to 24-0, and you can have the dark period during the day to keep temps down a little bit more than with 18-6.

Keep in mind that with normal 12-1 (12on, 5.5off, 1on, 5.5off per day) you "strike" or turn on your ballast+bulb twice as much as a typical veg schedule, like 18-6 (18on, 6off per day).

And as any computer or electronics nerd knows, turning a device on causes much more "wear and tear" than leaving a device on (the difference obviously varies per device).

When I use 12-1, I use it to keep temps down by having the off period during the day. The one extra hour of light doesn't heat up that much.



Also, it is not advisable to use the reduced light schedule for flower. Less light in flower will never equate to more bud, that's silly logic and actually completely the opposite of what actually happens (less light in flower = less bud...always). Less light in flower will also never equate to buds "finishing faster".

Those were a couple myths that I noticed in that link/facebook repost about 12-1.
 
steeliesteve

steeliesteve

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Thanks every one! Id never heard of the concept before. As I don't really veg per say (12/12 from seed until I get my sog going then 12/12 from clone) I won't be using it. Just wondered if it was a sound concept and if so hope someone can benefit.
 
Indoor Sun King

Indoor Sun King

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Moebius said:
I wouldnt let the solution sit out in a jug.
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I mixed up a 4 litre jug and have been watering it daily but since I only have one plant, that jug will last quite some time.

So if I understand correctly, it is NOT a good idea to pre-mix and let sit in the plastic jug because the pH could alter, thus is better to mix only what you need for that day?
 
whocares100

whocares100

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They went 12/12 on Sunday, and I'm liking it, My Roadrunner Auto is bursting with flowers, but only 8 inches tall, I bent down gently with twist ties, left room for stems and making them easy to reposition. Maybe I'll post a few pictures...
 
Moebius

Moebius

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Indoor Sun King said:
I mixed up a 4 litre jug and have been watering it daily but since I only have one plant, that jug will last quite some time.

So if I understand correctly, it is NOT a good idea to pre-mix and let sit in the plastic jug because the pH could alter, thus is better to mix only what you need for that day?
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You've got it.

If you aerate with a pump that would be different. but obviously you're not going to do that for a single plant.
 
whocares100

whocares100

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Here's a good example, this is P8 topped while still in paper cup, 100_1977.jpg100_2047.jpg100_2046.jpg U can see by the dates on the pictures, she has take off.
 
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