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I tried to look everywhere in this forum but I still havnt found out whats wrong. this little guy was doin great until yesterday when the leaves began to wilt...thot it might be overwatering...that doesnt seem to be the case, it didnt get any better and now the thing is starting to really dry out, the little leaves at the bottom are turning yellow and the whole thing is feeling quite dry to the touch.

I am checking and keeping up with ph.
the only nutes im using(botanicare progrow) is half strength of the recommended dose for small seedlings.
if it does happen to be a deficientcy can someone recommend a household product I can use to bring the levels to where they need to be?

any help would be much appreciated as I think another day or two of this and this little girl is just gonna wither and die...

Need a few details here.

What kind of lights?
How high are they?
How high are you?
What is the medium?
Is there rockwool inside the hydroton? What size cube?
How often are you watering?
Are you using RO or tap water?

Here's my initial thoughts....

You used nutrients on a tiny little itty bitty sprout. Not even what I would call a 'seedling' really yet. The little seeds themselves have enough stored energy to get the little guy to 3 or 4 leafsets without ANY nutrients, and that's the way it likes it. So you need to flush your reservoir and put in PLAIN water.

If you can provide some of the above info I can try to help you more accurately, but that's the first thing I KNOW is wrong.

...put some pics up. Hopefully it wasn't too young for fertlizers cause it sounds like you've gave'em some already...but, typically new growers overwater think'n that the plant needs to be wet all the time, when in fact it is in your best interest to let them dry all the way out to develop more roots by searching for more water. More roots = more fertlizer intake.

...hope this helps, good luck.

be careful with nutes, gradulally increase the strength, and never use them on young plants, like laserburn said. i am 2 weeks into flower and am only using half strength.... my plants have never looked more healthy or happy. no overwater like strain stalker said, let them get dry.

your plants will let you know what they need if you know how to read them, i dont water until they tell me they need water, i dont increase my nutes until they tell me they are hungry. plants, just like humans dont like to be force fed imo.

A mistake most new growers make it overwatering. I still do on occasion but it's done purposely to stall the growth (yes, I'm aware there are plenty of other ways to stunt growth to buy time).

Laserman is right on about watering/nutes. However, by the picture indication (soley by picture) it isn't a lighting problem or the type of water (tap vs ro).

It isn't a medium problem either.

My 'professional' opinion is the most obvious...and it's what Laser man said.

Here's the good news though.....as long as there is green, it's still going to make it. I took a plant that got COOKED because of an overloaded circuit. The plant was in a box for five hours at 120 degree temp. Every single leaf burned and died. I cut them all off except the one remaining leaf that had green on it. After three days I saw a micro green spot. A week later it was a 'normal' plant.

Bottom line...you have plenty of time to see what the problem is. Go to straight water (tap IS perfectly fine but we have to assume the ph is fine too) and be very careful not to overwater. One of your pictures was a demonstration of what overwatering looks like. Almost looks like there isn't enough water but it's quite the opposite. Generally speaking (generally), an underwatered plant will have the branch AND the leaves wilt. An overwatered plant will have the leaves wilt but not so much on the branches.

Merry Christmas to you and your family!

Did you buffer the clay pebbles ph? Before using clay pebbles You should make sure to wash them properly.. this is easy to do if you buy a big bag of them and just punch holes in the bottom of the bag and give them a good 20-30 minute shower.. with normal cold water.. then you want to fill up a big tub with water ph'd at 7 and leave your pebbles in there over night
That way your clay pebbles are at a neutral ph... (of 7)
The seedling/plant will use food given to it in different proportions depending on where the ph of the water and growing medium is at. So 7 is good because when your gonna bring the ph of your nutrient solution down to 5.7, it will slowly rise its way back up.... to what the growing mediums ph is.. so from 5.7 to 7. this is perfect because the plant or seedling will use the macro nutrients it will need in the right ph range.
If your pebbles are off.... The plant might be assimilating the wrong nutes are the wrong time. if at all...
so Check that out. if you havent found what your problem could be, cause your feeding right, and watering right, and your climate is good... then its gotta be the pebbles...

Hope this helped u a little... but if not, i hope it helps someone!!!!!
PEACE OUT n goooood growin

laserbrn said:

Need a few details here.

What kind of lights?
How high are they?
How high are you?
What is the medium?
Is there rockwool inside the hydroton? What size cube?
How often are you watering?
Are you using RO or tap water?

Here's my initial thoughts....

You used nutrients on a tiny little itty bitty sprout. Not even what I would call a 'seedling' really yet. The little seeds themselves have enough stored energy to get the little guy to 3 or 4 leafsets without ANY nutrients, and that's the way it likes it. So you need to flush your reservoir and put in PLAIN water.

If you can provide some of the above info I can try to help you more accurately, but that's the first thing I KNOW is wrong.

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thanks for getting back to me so quickly(thank you to everyone who replied so quickly).
First off your completely right about me using nutes from the get go(this is my first grow, I still have much to learn). I thot at half strength itd be ok...obviously not. I am going to flush right now. From what other people are sayin i think
over watering had something to do with it too.

I am using a 90w ufo and some cfls..
the ufo is 10 inches away and the cfls are about 6 to 4 inches.
Im not too high, at the moment...
im using hydrotron, it has no rockwool in it and is 8/16 mm(i also cleaned it thoroughly).
Im watering when the seedlings plug(made of composed tree bark) begins to look really dry(im only doing this until the roots are long enough to be affected by the dwc setup) As other people mentioned in this thread theres a big possibility that overwatering took place. Thats what i thot at first and the amount i was giving it went down drastically. I am using tap water thats sat out for a few days. On a side note, would a water filter on a kitchen sink provide the right kind of water?

thank you for your help man I wanna save this thing. And props for callin what happened.

strain stalker said:

...put some pics up. Hopefully it wasn't too young for fertlizers cause it sounds like you've gave'em some already...but, typically new growers overwater think'n that the plant needs to be wet all the time, when in fact it is in your best interest to let them dry all the way out to develop more roots by searching for more water. More roots = more fertlizer intake.

...hope this helps, good luck.

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Thank you for your advice. Your completely right about the overwaterin. I actually cut back the amount of water yesterday(with all my plants) and got to see for myself how much vigor a seedling has when it isnt being drowned(but honest I just thot it needed that much the starter plugs would get low and id just re water them, but now im letting them dry out for the most part to really let some oxygen get through there).
ps. there are links to my pics at the top of my first post. I had some trouble loading them into the post.
again thanks for your help bro.

figtree said:

be careful with nutes, gradulally increase the strength, and never use them on young plants, like laserburn said. i am 2 weeks into flower and am only using half strength.... my plants have never looked more healthy or happy. no overwater like strain stalker said, let them get dry.

your plants will let you know what they need if you know how to read them, i dont water until they tell me they need water, i dont increase my nutes until they tell me they are hungry. plants, just like humans dont like to be force fed imo.

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thanks for your help bro. If you dont mind me asking, what does your nute schedule during the vegetive state?

EverythingHydro.com said:

A mistake most new growers make it overwatering. I still do on occasion but it's done purposely to stall the growth (yes, I'm aware there are plenty of other ways to stunt growth to buy time).

Laserman is right on about watering/nutes. However, by the picture indication (soley by picture) it isn't a lighting problem or the type of water (tap vs ro).

It isn't a medium problem either.

My 'professional' opinion is the most obvious...and it's what Laser man said.

Here's the good news though.....as long as there is green, it's still going to make it. I took a plant that got COOKED because of an overloaded circuit. The plant was in a box for five hours at 120 degree temp. Every single leaf burned and died. I cut them all off except the one remaining leaf that had green on it. After three days I saw a micro green spot. A week later it was a 'normal' plant.

Bottom line...you have plenty of time to see what the problem is. Go to straight water (tap IS perfectly fine but we have to assume the ph is fine too) and be very careful not to overwater. One of your pictures was a demonstration of what overwatering looks like. Almost looks like there isn't enough water but it's quite the opposite. Generally speaking (generally), an underwatered plant will have the branch AND the leaves wilt. An overwatered plant will have the leaves wilt but not so much on the branches.

Merry Christmas to you and your family!

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Thanks alot for your input man. I really appreciate the reassurance that its gonna live(this girl is my favorite in the garden). Theres still plenty of green. Thats crazy about your plant that got cooked...how big was it when that happened? I also didnt know that about underwated plants and overwatered plants, thanks for lettin me know.
On a side note.....I saw ur email info at the bottom of your reply... you sell hydroponic supplies?
till we speak again have a good one and merry christmas to you and your family as well.

jahtrip said:

Did you buffer the clay pebbles ph? Before using clay pebbles You should make sure to wash them properly.. this is easy to do if you buy a big bag of them and just punch holes in the bottom of the bag and give them a good 20-30 minute shower.. with normal cold water.. then you want to fill up a big tub with water ph'd at 7 and leave your pebbles in there over night
That way your clay pebbles are at a neutral ph... (of 7)
The seedling/plant will use food given to it in different proportions depending on where the ph of the water and growing medium is at. So 7 is good because when your gonna bring the ph of your nutrient solution down to 5.7, it will slowly rise its way back up.... to what the growing mediums ph is.. so from 5.7 to 7. this is perfect because the plant or seedling will use the macro nutrients it will need in the right ph range.
If your pebbles are off.... The plant might be assimilating the wrong nutes are the wrong time. if at all...
so Check that out. if you havent found what your problem could be, cause your feeding right, and watering right, and your climate is good... then its gotta be the pebbles...

Hope this helped u a little... but if not, i hope it helps someone!!!!!
PEACE OUT n goooood growin

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I washed all of it pretty thoroughly... I have heard before that 7 works well, makes sense. thanks for the info and help.
good growin to you too bro.

Your welcome.

Yes, I have a little hydro store. Just another guy trying to make it in a down economy.

To avoid being a spammer, if you have a direct question or need a deep (deep) discount PM me. Believe me...I'm not greedy...just here to help.

autoflowerer:) said:

thanks for your help bro. If you dont mind me asking, what does your nute schedule during the vegetive state?

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I start out with 1/4 strength, 3 weeks into veg. gradually move to 1/2 strength, i may juice it up to 3/4 or full if there are signs the plants need it but i like to stay around 1/2 stregth. i water (feed) every 3-4 days, or when the plants tell me they need it. I am using coco right now which drains pretty good but does hold some water. when i water (feed) i use enough to flush out the old nutes and toxins from the root zone, and i feed with every watering. some say to switch, but i have had good success with feeding at every water, coco has no nutrients in it so i like to place a little there for the ladies at all times. Also, i just found that a touch of skim (fat free) milk does wonders for them, coco has issues with calcium deficiencies so it helps with that as well as other benefits.

Another thing i do that you may not find everyone doing is called pre-veg, which basically is strictly for the root zone to become massive. i pre-veg for 7-14 days after the clones take root before giving them any kind of intense light, and have my rooted clones in 12oz beer cups loosly covered with coco. I picked up a headband clone over the weekend which is very healthy and the same size as my pre-veging rooted clones, but the roots have just started showing out of the rockwool. I replaced one of my bubba kush starters with the headband, so i checked the roots on the bubba - freakin massive compared to the new clone, even though they have the same look, ie. amount of foliage, height ect. these pre-veged clones will have a major appetite.

for info or to read the article that turned me onto pre-veg go to www.maximumyeild.com and search "pre-veg" there are 2 articles about it. there is a ton of other info as well, this is a great magazine.

I'm going to post a thread on pre-vegging once i get a little more time, its well worth the days spent on it.

EverythingHydro.com said:

Your welcome.

Yes, I have a little hydro store. Just another guy trying to make it in a down economy.

To avoid being a spammer, if you have a direct question or need a deep (deep) discount PM me. Believe me...I'm not greedy...just here to help.

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Hey man, what country are you based in? is it an online shop only? I have been working for THC a french growshop franchise that just had to change its name in france to garden mania... but here in belgium its still thc.. and am now in the process of opening another shop on my own! If your ever in belgium, Swing by the shop. Take it easy