WTF Medical Marijuana

Perhaps it is easier for you to post this kind of question because you live in a country where it is legal and do not have to worry about being busted and being possibly throw in jail, lose your home and family.

I personally know that marijuana helps my medical disorders along with proper meds. I don't have to take all the meds that my GP would like me to take because he gets all his cuts. BUT yes, I also like to get stoned.

Since most of my disorders are psychological, is in only in my head that it helps???? Well yeah!!!!

Well thats cool if you are legally able to do that and they are not gonna toss yours ass in jail.

Sure I think in a 'warm and fuzzy' world somewhere over the rainbow

it would be awesome if we could all stand together and fight for our rights to smoke legally.

Even while they were taping the event there was a raid by the authorities and some people got physically taken away.

When I was on 'tramacett' for being in an accident. I was on it for the pain and I didn't mind the buzz it gave me. I could stay up for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours.......(you get the point) It was a side effect from the drug. Now it isn't 'normally' a side effect BUT being bi-polar, prescription drugs have a different effect on me. I didn't sleep for ages. The drugs were really playing havoc to my immune system so I decided to start toking again instead. Not only did I feel a lot better physically but I also felt a lot better mentally.

Now since I live in a country that has granted me the opportunity to treat myself, what's so wrong with that?

skunkushybrid said:

The way I see it the mm debate is bullshit because it's not the complete truth.

Yes cannabis has medical benefits (so do a lot of other illegal drugs, btw... mdma included)... but this will never be enough to get cannabis legalised. Even helps kill off the drug even, once they isolate it and give it to you in a nose spray... or tablet form... once they get rid of the high. Then what? Placebo's?

I don't want them to take control of cannabis... which is what I feel the medical debate will allow them to do. The way I see it we're offering them eventual control of the drug... besides it is only a PART of the truth.

The high helps to null the pain, not only null it but it enables you to hide from it... to take your mind somewhere else for a while if you so wish.

Cannabis IS and always has been about the high. We forget that and we forget the truth... we forget the truth, and they have us(?) by the balls.

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He's a smart bud bat.

Kant said:

well there's already a mouth spray and a pill form of it. they both get you high but that seems unavoidable. the pill is marinol and the spray is sativex. marinol has been around since the mid 80's i think and sativex is relatively new. I think that it helps the whole movement. It dispels the notion that pot is just a useless dangerous drug.

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Kant said:

well there's already a mouth spray and a pill form of it. they both get you high but that seems unavoidable. the pill is marinol and the spray is sativex. marinol has been around since the mid 80's i think and sativex is relatively new. I think that it helps the whole movement. It dispels the notion that pot is just a useless dangerous drug.

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skunkushybrid said:

If this is the case then why do people still need a license to grow weed?

The growing of weed will be taken over by the government and turned into tablet form. then you can go and pick up your med's from the drugstore.

The future of cannabis is the death of the plant.

I thought the whole thing was about the legalisation of cannabis, not the legalisation of cannabis for certain people.

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Lacy said:

Skunk I agree with everything you are saying here BUT that isn't how you posted the thread. You may not have said that mm doesn't have benefits but you implied that 'most' people that apply to get an mm card are full of sh*t.

What kind of a response did you expect? Of course there are going to be issues if marijuana gets legalized but there are issues now.

Perhaps it is easier for you to post this kind of question because you live in a country where it is legal and do not have to worry about being busted and being possibly throw in jail, lose your home and family.
Perhaps I am wrong but thats a HUGE consideration.

Perhaps most mm users are just abusing the system to legally get high.
I don't know and neither do you. Nobody knows that for sure.
I personally know that marijuana helps my medical disorders along with proper meds. I don't have to take all the meds that my GP would like me to take because he gets all his cuts. BUT yes, I also like to get stoned.
Since most of my disorders are psychological, is in only in my head that it helps???? Well yeah!!!!
Regardless if my government is offering me an opportunity to be able to grow and smoke my own marijuana, then why wouldn't I apply?

Not everyone has that option and that is why most are reacting to your post the way they are.

Sure I think in a 'warm and fuzzy' world somewhere over the rainbow
it would be awesome if we could all stand together and fight for our rights to smoke legally.
Yes! Yes! That would be cool BUT its also not gonna happen 'cause most people have too much to lose if they ever get busted.

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skunkushybrid said:

In my country the prisons are full, in France the workers are on strike and threatening to cripple the country. Our own workers too.

Too much to lose? Not if we all stand at the same time. Then we have everything to win. Losing is not an option... I'll say it again, what could they do? They couldn't possibly lock us all up. All we need is a proverbial set of balls.

This is about the legalisation of cannabis... not about some guy with a bad back.

I don't care what you think I'm getting at, that's bullshit. My intentions were clear from the start... Tell the truth or keep lying. It's not my fault the world is full of liars.

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skunkushybrid said:

In my country the prisons are full, in France the workers are on strike and threatening to cripple the country. Our own workers too.

Too much to lose? Not if we all stand at the same time. Then we have everything to win. Losing is not an option... I'll say it again, what could they do? They couldn't possibly lock us all up. All we need is a proverbial set of balls.

This is about the legalisation of cannabis... not about some guy with a bad back.

I don't care what you think I'm getting at, that's bullshit. My intentions were clear from the start... Tell the truth or keep lying. It's not my fault the world is full of liars.

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Yeah! Stick that in your ...um..err...'pipe' and smoke it skunk.

BryanG1983 said:

'CANNABIS' MAY HALT BREAST CANCER

USA -- A compound found in cannabis may stop breast cancer spreading throughout the body, US scientists believe.

The California Pacific Medical Center Research Institute team are hopeful that cannabidiol or CBD could be a non-toxic alternative to chemotherapy.

Unlike cannabis, CBD does not have any psychoactive properties so its use would not violate laws, Molecular Cancer Therapeutics reports.

CBD works by blocking the activity of a gene called Id-1 which is believed to be responsible for the aggressive spread of cancer cells away from the original tumour site - a process called metastasis.

Past work has shown CBD can block aggressive human brain cancers.

The latest work found CBD appeared to have a similar effect on breast cancer cells in the lab.

Future Hope

Lead researcher Dr Sean McAllister said: "Right now we have a limited range of options in treating aggressive forms of cancer.

"Those treatments, such as chemotherapy, can be effective but they can also be extremely toxic and difficult for patients.

"This compound offers the hope of a non-toxic therapy that could achieve the same results without any of the painful side effects."

Maria Leadbeater of Breast Cancer Care said: "Many people experience side-effects while having chemotherapy, such as nausea and an increased risk of infection, which can take both a physical and emotional toll.

"Any drug that has fewer side-effects will, of course, be of great interest."
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It's really amazing how long this vital information has been kept from the people of the US. The US government has known since 1974.

The first experiment documenting pot's anti-tumor effects took place in 1974 at the Medical College of Virginia at the behest of the U.S. government. The results of that study, reported in an Aug. 18, 1974, Washington Post newspaper feature, were that marijuana's psychoactive component, THC, "slowed the growth of lung cancers, breast cancers and a virus-induced leukemia in laboratory mice, and prolonged their lives by as much as 36 percent." Paul Armentano

Just think of all the millions of people that have died of cancer or suffered near to the point of death with radiation and chemo who could have lived longer and had a much better quality of life if this simple, natural, plant had been available to them without criminal sanctions.

BBC Website

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skunkushybrid said:

Stick what in what pipe? I'm tired of trying to simplify what I mean for you.

Cannabis is more than just a pain killer, or a preventitive against tumour growth...

again and again, is there really any point? Will you ever understand? I doubt it.

I believe you just want to argue with me... take some aggression out. If my words are not clear by now, then they never shall be. Maybe you should ask fdd' for a translation.

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Simplify? Oh please don't 'simplify on my account.

AND no I'm NOT sucking up. You can ban me if you want.

I think you are compartmentualizing(if thats even a word) this into either black or white and there are so many grey areas.

When the gov't made drinking laws here in canada, it was legal to drink at 18. Later on the gov't decided that this age was too low and teenagers didn't have the mental ability is make proper judgements. Of course back then I would have said that it was BS but looking at it now with some amount of maturity, I realize that the gov't was right. And I don't often say that.

This isn't an exact quote BUT I would say the same thing. But then again, it is illegal where I live.

Well I read into this as a 'debate'. I thought a debate was reading comtemplating each others point of view.

I thought I was communicating well. Outspoken but not any more outspoken than you.

skunkushybrid said:

Stick what in what pipe? I'm tired of trying to simplify what I mean for you.

Cannabis is more than just a pain killer, or a preventitive against tumour growth...

again and again, is there really any point? Will you ever understand? I doubt it.

I believe you just want to argue with me... take some aggression out. If my words are not clear by now, then they never shall be. Maybe you should ask fdd' for a translation.

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skunkushybrid said:

It seems to me that you (a lot, anyway) 'medical' cannabis users look down on ordinary, honest smokers. You feel that you 'need' it and we don't.

I want cannabis legalised for all... it is the cure for pain in general. The pain of the world. We have to stand for the truth, all of us at the same time.

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Lacy said:

Simplify? Oh please don't 'simplify on my account.

You started this thread by saying (quote:"who believes that the medical aspect of the marijuana debate is a load of bs? and then added "well lets face it, it is a lot of bull and the 'medical' apect, is the debate."

Then you have a poll in which there are only two choices:

Tell the truth or keep lieing.

WTF!

You know I can be just as passionate about my point of view as you can skunk. I have tried to be as respectful of what you are saying as I can possibly be BUT I don't respect what you are saying. (please don't confuse these two)

I have also tried adding some humour, perhaps I got carried away and I apologize if it offended you BUT 'no' I don't understand you on this one at all.

You are not clear about what you are talking about. I'm not just trying to start an argue with you and am sorry you feel this way.

I do respect you as a person and have no reason not to.
I am not trying to take this personally BUT I find it difficult not to.

If you DO live in a country where it is legal to smoke weed whenever you want well, of course you would have a different perspective then most people. That goes without saying.

So what if it were not legal where you lived? Would you think, feel, differently?

I think you are an intelligent member here and obviously well respected or you wouldn't have become a monitor or had so many credits to your name.
AND no I'm NOT sucking up. You can ban me if you want.
I just think with this thread you are being narrow minded and don't even want to consider anyone elses point of view. (which is sad but I'm not crying)

I think you are compartmentualizing(if thats even a word) this into either black or white and there are so many grey areas.

When the gov't made drinking laws here in canada, it was legal to drink at 18. Later on the gov't decided that this age was too low and teenagers didn't have the mental ability is make proper judgements. Of course back then I would have said that it was BS but looking at it now with some amount of maturity, I realize that the gov't was right. And I don't often say that.

Drinking is legal over a certain age but you still have youngsters who are gonna drink. Drinking is illegal while driving but you are still gonna get people drinking and driving. People die for drinking and drinking each and every year but it is still legal.
This is the reality.
What if everyone decided that the drinking and driving law was bs?

I'm not trying to argue with you skunk but I'm not going to agree with you just because you're a mod either.

I don't need fdd to translate. I read his post skunk.

He said that if he didn't have an mm card and he ever got into trouble, although he wouldn't like it, he would lie.
This isn't an exact quote BUT I would say the same thing. But then again, it is illegal where I live.

So back to your point:

Who believes that the medical aspect of marijuana is bull?

My answer is yes and no.Why? Because of basic human nature.

Its not THAT black and white!! (my basic point)<<<<<<

The medical aspect is the debate!!! (your thread)

Well I read into this as a 'debate'. I thought a debate was reading comtemplating each others point of view.
I thought I was communicating well. Outspoken but not any more outspoken than you.

Gosh! Sorry! My mistake!

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skunkushybrid said:

The way I see it the mm debate is bullshit because it's not the complete truth.

Yes cannabis has medical benefits (so do a lot of other illegal drugs, btw... mdma included)... but this will never be enough to get cannabis legalised. Even helps kill off the drug even, once they isolate it and give it to you in a nose spray... or tablet form... once they get rid of the high. Then what? Placebo's?

I don't want them to take control of cannabis... which is what I feel the medical debate will allow them to do. The way I see it we're offering them eventual control of the drug... besides it is only a PART of the truth.

The high helps to null the pain, not only null it but it enables you to hide from it... to take your mind somewhere else for a while if you so wish.

Cannabis IS and always has been about the high. We forget that and we forget the truth... we forget the truth, and they have us(?) by the balls.

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