yellow leaves on baby plants

headshots420

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your pics are a bit fuzzy but judging by the last pic looks like a typical case of nutrient burn. Try giving her a flush immediately.
 

bigv1976

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Hard saying with no info about the grow. Tis guy above me with 39 posts automaticly says flush because that is what he has been programmed to say but I would get some info posted and get some educated opinions first. If there are nutes in your soil and you try flushing you will kill your plants.
 

TaoWolf

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I'm sure you could get some good feedback if you posted up some information about your watering schedule/habits, what kind of soil are they in (looks like it has some big pieces of bark or woodchips in it), have you given any nutrients, if you have a pH meter, etc...
 

Canabian420

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no extra nutes given. miracle grow organic choice mixed with a seed starter. not rly a water schedule but about once every 2 days if they are dry enough. the soil got really dry when this happened.

my friend is about to transplant them and start some new using some fox farms. idk what kind of seed starter he mixed them with but probably MG. it was rly bad when he looked at them. the bad plant was pretty shriveled and all the leaves wer raised/standing up strait. he watered it and it looked lively again but they are all a little yellow.

had to email him for the info lol he is to paranoid to get on a forum and post stuff or talk about it.
 

TaoWolf

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Get some pH strips/drops (they aren't expensive), and check the pH of the runoff when you water next time. Even if you are going to transplant, it would be a good practice to try and keep get the pH in the ballpark of 7 or slightly lower towards 6.5. I'd bet there's a good chance the pH is really out of whack.
 

headshots420

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Hard saying with no info about the grow. Tis guy above me with 39 posts automaticly says flush because that is what he has been programmed to say but I would get some info posted and get some educated opinions first. If there are nutes in your soil and you try flushing you will kill your plants.
Just because i have 39 posts doesn't mean i don't know anything, i wasn't programmed for anything and I've checked your started threads dude, for someone that first started growing around the same time as me you sure act like you've been doing it for years..and i could have missed it but i don't see any pics of your grows just a pic of your setup but no plants...I apologize in advanced if i missed them but this isn't a flame thread thread so anyway. Leaves turning yellow and curling from the outside in usually means nutrient burn. Besides flushing your system won't harm it and judging by the fact he's using MG it probably is nutrient burn.
 

bigv1976

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Just because i have 39 posts doesn't mean i don't know anything, i wasn't programmed for anything and I've checked your started threads dude, for someone that first started growing around the same time as me you sure act like you've been doing it for years..and i could have missed it but i don't see any pics of your grows just a pic of your setup but no plants...I apologize in advanced if i missed them but this isn't a flame thread thread so anyway. Leaves turning yellow and curling from the outside in usually means nutrient burn. Besides flushing your system won't harm it and judging by the fact he's using MG it probably is nutrient burn.
Ok so you say it is nute burn from being MG but then you still think it is a good idea to flush. Rather than sweating what I know maybe you should read more and type less. You checked all my posts and couldnt find any plants? Check again bro.
 

Canabian420

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lol kk enough hating on each other..this is the internet and you are 2 ppl on it. what is run off and what exactly do you do to flush soil? is it just soaking the soil or somthing else?
 

bigv1976

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Run off is the water that comes out the bottom of your pot when you water. Flushing is running alot of water through your soil. Do not flush your soil. MG has slow release nute pellets in it and if you flush you will advance the application of the nutes and make your problem worse.
 

Canabian420

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so should water go out of the bottom every time u water? lik eif u let it dry out and then water? seems like it takes alot of water to make it do that but idk.
 

headshots420

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so should water go out of the bottom every time u water? lik eif u let it dry out and then water? seems like it takes alot of water to make it do that but idk.
If you are growing in soil you should always have drainage holes to remove excess water. Excess water left undrained can cause root rot and lots of other bad things.
 

Snow Crash

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There's sticks and shit in that soil. Sticks are usually not a good sign...

Let's cover what you are seeing, then we can address the causes.
The first set of leaves, the oldest and largest, are bleaching out from the tips to the center. The symptoms appear to be spreading to the upper most leaves.
The veins between leaves are still green but the meat between the leaves is what has lost color.
There is very little, if any, necrotic (brown crispy) damage to the leaves.

For discussions sake then let us cover the suggested problems.

Nutrient Burn: Generally characterized by the immediate burning of the leaves, starting on the tips and extending along the edges of the leaf before consuming the entire thing. Burning is the immediate necrosis of the leaves. They become brown and crunchy.

Your plants are not brown and crunchy. This is why I do not believe this to be nutrient burn.

pH imbalance: An imbalance in the pH of the media will cause certain elements to bond which will create salts and make these element unavailable to the plant. In addition, the electrical equilibrium of the media determines the cation exchange capacity between the root cells and the solution of water and elements in the media (in this case soil). Basically, the decreased presence of electrical charges (free elements) can cause the root cells to lose elements in an attempt to establish an electro-chemical equilibrium in the media. This stunts root growth and can cause both deficiencies and toxicities in the plant. This makes pH problems both very common and very difficult to properly diagnose.

You plant is young enough to not depend on the uptake of nutrients, but if the pH of the water it is taking in is too low this could be causing the problems you are seeing. Figure if the plant is 80% water, and the water it gets is the wrong pH, then the elements in solution IN THE PLANT are going to lock up. I think the lack of vigor of these plants, the greenness of the veins, and the loss of chlorophyll indicates a low pH and a loss of Magnesium availability. Magnesium is the most crucial element to chlorophyll.

In addition to the pH problem I think over watering is a likely suspect. I'm not sure how you are determining when to water but what I find works best is watering by weight. Plants your size need VERY little water, you'll lose more to evaporation at this point. Lift the cup up when it is wet and feel the weight. Then allow it to dry out to a point where when you pick it up it has nearly no weight. I'm talking very light, it'll almost scare you. Obviously, if the soil is dry for too long the plant will wilt so what you're trying to do is find that point where the plant is just ready to really take a big drink but before it suffers. Then when you add water you want to add enough water at a pH of 6.5 for 1/2 of it to drain out the bottom of the cup.

This will ensure that the problem does not continue up the plant. You will probably need to begin using an organic nutrient pretty soon after this. You'll want to start light and increase dosage every time.
 

Canabian420

Active Member
There's sticks and shit in that soil. Sticks are usually not a good sign...

Let's cover what you are seeing, then we can address the causes.
The first set of leaves, the oldest and largest, are bleaching out from the tips to the center. The symptoms appear to be spreading to the upper most leaves.
The veins between leaves are still green but the meat between the leaves is what has lost color.
There is very little, if any, necrotic (brown crispy) damage to the leaves.

For discussions sake then let us cover the suggested problems.

Nutrient Burn: Generally characterized by the immediate burning of the leaves, starting on the tips and extending along the edges of the leaf before consuming the entire thing. Burning is the immediate necrosis of the leaves. They become brown and crunchy.

Your plants are not brown and crunchy. This is why I do not believe this to be nutrient burn.

pH imbalance: An imbalance in the pH of the media will cause certain elements to bond which will create salts and make these element unavailable to the plant. In addition, the electrical equilibrium of the media determines the cation exchange capacity between the root cells and the solution of water and elements in the media (in this case soil). Basically, the decreased presence of electrical charges (free elements) can cause the root cells to lose elements in an attempt to establish an electro-chemical equilibrium in the media. This stunts root growth and can cause both deficiencies and toxicities in the plant. This makes pH problems both very common and very difficult to properly diagnose.

You plant is young enough to not depend on the uptake of nutrients, but if the pH of the water it is taking in is too low this could be causing the problems you are seeing. Figure if the plant is 80% water, and the water it gets is the wrong pH, then the elements in solution IN THE PLANT are going to lock up. I think the lack of vigor of these plants, the greenness of the veins, and the loss of chlorophyll indicates a low pH and a loss of Magnesium availability. Magnesium is the most crucial element to chlorophyll.

In addition to the pH problem I think over watering is a likely suspect. I'm not sure how you are determining when to water but what I find works best is watering by weight. Plants your size need VERY little water, you'll lose more to evaporation at this point. Lift the cup up when it is wet and feel the weight. Then allow it to dry out to a point where when you pick it up it has nearly no weight. I'm talking very light, it'll almost scare you. Obviously, if the soil is dry for too long the plant will wilt so what you're trying to do is find that point where the plant is just ready to really take a big drink but before it suffers. Then when you add water you want to add enough water at a pH of 6.5 for 1/2 of it to drain out the bottom of the cup.

This will ensure that the problem does not continue up the plant. You will probably need to begin using an organic nutrient pretty soon after this. You'll want to start light and increase dosage every time.
ty for the info man. ill have to come back to this post for future references now lol. in the event that thre is nute burn and u do get brown crunchy leaves..what do u do about that part of the leaf? do u trim that part?
 

Nocturnal1

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Uhhh, I was told otherwise. Yes you should have well drained soil, of course. But what I was told was that run off is just washing out the nutes faster. When I water I just water till my pots are heavy, sometimes I will get run off, but I am not aiming for it.
 

Snow Crash

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ty for the info man. ill have to come back to this post for future references now lol. in the event that thre is nute burn and u do get brown crunchy leaves..what do u do about that part of the leaf? do u trim that part?
These leaves are pretty unimportant in the long run. Right now you have 4 leaves, and a good 20% of your leaf mass is toast... but later on those 4 leaves won't account for much when the plant is 2 feet tall and hundreds of leaves thick. Don't damage anything right now, but when there's another 3 or 4 leaf sets then you can remove them without any concerns.
 
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