Yesterday's Mass Shooting.

Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
DIY-HP-LED said:
About 35% of American households have at least one gun and an astounding 3% of the population owns 50% of all the guns in America and I would suppose that 10% probably owns 80% of the guns.
Click to expand...
I know it doesn't seem like it on the surface, but that is actually a good thing.
A few of those people might be "arsenals" for militias, but most of them are just mentally disturbed people with too much money. They can only fire one of those weapons at a time, no matter how many they own. With any luck, as they die, their collections will be seized, i'm guessing most of them will have enough illegal shit to warrant it.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Roger A. Shrubber said:
I know it doesn't seem like it on the surface, but that is actually a good thing.
A few of those people might be "arsenals" for militias, but most of them are just mentally disturbed people with too much money. They can only fire one of those weapons at a time, no matter how many they own. With any luck, as they die, their collections will be seized, i'm guessing most of them will have enough illegal shit to warrant it.
Click to expand...
I agree, but 200 million guns in the hands of 3% of the population is a number I find incredible, do they also have ammo for all these types and calibers of weapons? Break into the right old farts house while he's in the hospital and you could supply a fucking army! It is definitely better than having them spread around and would make collecting them much easier when the old farts passed away, if they were registered and it would be worth it to register them for free and have a nice lady come to the house to provide the maximum service!

In Canada handguns only are treated this way, they die with the owner, hunting rifles and shotguns don't need to be registered, but you need an FAC to buy guns and ammo. An FAC is a certification that they did a background check, and you don't have a screw loose or other issues like being on the domestic terrorist watch list that would prevent you from owning a gun or buying ammo.
 
OldMedUser

OldMedUser

Well-Known Member
DIY-HP-LED said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1655414367393857537
Click to expand...
The rest of the world looks at what's going on in the states with horror. They stand to lose billions in lost tourism dollars not to mention jobs related to tourism.

Total slow motion train wreck nobody can take their eyes off and it shows up in news feeds all over the world so they're all watching.

Ought to be pretty good for the Canadian tourism industry tho and we can sure use it after the mess Covid made of things. Time to put all the new immigrants to work and when the debt ceiling collapses down south there should be plenty of folks headed north looking for work as well.

They better leave their big vehicles at home tho. When they see gas at $6+/USG up here this summer they're not gonna be happy campers. $151.9/L in town the other day. :(

:peace:
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Now here is an interesting article about federal gun laws in America. What do you think?

www.dailykos.com

We Already Have the Law to Get Weapons of War Off Our Streets

Steven Spainhouer’s son worked at one of the stores in the Allen, Texas shopping mall chosen by America’s most recent mass shooter (as of Saturday: there were seven this weekend). He arrived at the mall just after the neo-nazi murderer had slaughtered...
www.dailykos.com

In 1934, Congress passed and President Roosevelt signed the National Firearms Act (NFA), which didn’t outlaw even one single gun. Instead, it put a tax on automatic weapons, sawed-off shotguns, and a variety of other weapons of war. That’s all it took to stop the slaughter.

None of the weapons listed in the NFA are “illegal.” But they are under control.

I’ve legally held and fired the same fully automatic Thompson Machine Gun like Machine Gun Kelly and John Dillinger used, among others.

Many gun ranges offer rentals if you want to try target practice with them: I shot them at a public gun range in Marietta, Georgia when, back in the 1980s, I was working on my Georgia private detective license (which I held for 2 years while writing some pretty awful novels about a PI) and running an advertising agency.

Most of the people shooting those fully automatic weapons, in fact, looked pretty average, generally middle-class; there was even racial diversity and a lot of women.

It was perfectly legal because the owner of the shooting range had paid the tax to get the federal license.

And that’s where we can do something today by simply expanding the scope of the weapons covered by the NFA.

To be eligible to pay the tax, you must first acquire a Federal Firearms License.

Step one is to fill out an application with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, which you can find here. You pay a fee that can range from $30 to $3000 (most are $200 for fully automatic weapons, a number that hasn’t changed since 1934), provide a photo, and submit your fingerprints.

After you’ve been checked out, you’ll be called in for an in-person interview with an ATF Industry Operations Investigator, who will vet you for ownership of your very own fully automatic machine gun.

There were no gun buy-back programs back in the 1930s, and nobody went door-to-door confiscating guns.

But once everybody understood that it was illegal to sell or possess an automatic or sawed-off weapon of war without first getting a license and paying the tax, they simply started to disappear from the American scene (outside of licensed shooting ranges like today).

Which brings us to a simple proposal. When enough ethical politicians hold office to pull it off (hopefully after the 2024 election), simply amend the National Firearms Act to include semiautomatic weapons along with the existing category of fully automatic weapons and sawed-off shotguns.

After all, most semiautomatic weapons were originally developed for warfare: they are, pure and simple, designed to kill as many people as fast as possible, whether they be handguns or long rifles. (There are a handful of “sort of” semiautomatic low-capacity rifles commonly used for hunting; they could be exempted.)

This would not conflict with the 2nd Amendment or even the Heller decision, as bizarre and twisted as it was, as I document in The Hidden History of Guns and the Second Amendment. It’s perfectly legal.

And it could take us back in time to a less deadly America.

Fire up Netflix or Amazon Prime and watch a few cop shows from the 1970s and early 1980s. McMillian and Wife, Adam 12, Hill Street Blues, Cagney and Lacey, etc.

Semiautomatic weapons were few and far between back then because they were so hard to get and expensive: they were widely acknowledged as purely for the battlefield. Cops carried revolvers, as did criminals. Rifles were mostly bolt-, lever-, and pump-action.
-----------------------------------------
And any idiot who walks into the woods with an AR-style rifle will be laughed out of the forest by actual sportsmen: there’s nothing “sporting” about mowing down deer or rabbits with a giant magazine and .223 ammo. (Not to mention what it does to the meat and hides.)

In fact, the groups calling for continuing the unregulated status of semiautomatic weapons of war are mostly made up of people actually planning seditious warfare against the United States.

Members of the so-called “militia movement” and other crackpots believe the BS story the NRA started peddling in the mid-1970s that the 2nd Amendment was written so average citizens could kill “tyrannical” politicians and American police enforcing their laws.

The reality is the exact opposite: the Constitution itself contains numerous references to the requirement of the government to put down insurrections and rebellions by people like today’s Proud Boys and Three Percenters.

Every one of the 50 states today explicitly outlaws unregulated civilian militias, either by constitution or law or both. Virginia, the home of Madison, Jefferson, Henry, Mason, Washington, etc., was the first, putting into their constitution in 1776:

“That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.” [emphasis mine]
Click to expand...
Forty-eight of the 50 states have similar clauses in their constitutions requiring any militia in the state to be subordinate to civilian authorities: typically the governor, occasionally the legislature, or both. (Georgia and New York are the exceptions.)

Twenty-nine states have specific laws outlawing private militias altogether (Alabama, Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Texas, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming).

Twenty-five states, as the Brennan Center for Justice notes:

“[H]ave laws that generally prohibit teaching, demonstrating, instructing, training, and practicing in the use of firearms, explosives, or techniques capable of causing injury or death, for use during or in furtherance of a civil disorder.”
Click to expand...
(They include Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, Washington.)

As you can see from this history, the last thing the Founders — and politicians in every state over the past 200+ years — thought was that Americans should be armed with weapons of war to fight against the government that they themselves created.
 
Last edited:
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
I'll vouch for this, don't watch it or view the pictures, it will do you no good, it will do the thoughts and prayers crowd some good though, but most of those con artists are psychos anyway.

www.dailykos.com

Do not watch the video from Texas.

I was out knocking doors yesterday, in my new anti-melanoma floppy hat and SPF 70, when the notices started flooding in about another mass shooting in Texas. I closed my eyes and rubbed my temples- what words are there to say anymore, we passed the...
www.dailykos.com
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member

Lawrence: I hate the predictability that the next mass shooting will happen

10,782 views May 9, 2023 #msnbc #texas #massshooting
Examining what journalist Pete Hammill called America’s “secret filthy heart” after the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell analyzes the details of another tragic mass shooting in Texas.
 
OldMedUser

OldMedUser

Well-Known Member
printer said:
Public Mass Shootings: Database Amasses Details of a Half Century of U.S. Mass Shootings with Firearms, Generating Psychosocial Histories
A troubled past and leaked plans are common to those who take part in mass shootings. Most use handguns, NIJ-supported research shows.

nij.ojp.gov

Public Mass Shootings: Database Amasses Details of a Half Century of U.S. Mass Shootings with Firearms, Generating Psychosocial Histories

Persons who committed public mass shootings in the U.S. over the last half century were commonly troubled by personal trauma before their shooting incidents, nearly always in a state of crisis at the time, and, in most cases, engaged in leaking their plans before opening fire. Most were insiders...
nij.ojp.gov nij.ojp.gov
Click to expand...
I read the article and didn't see what their criteria is for a mass shooting. Numbers stated seem pretty low.

Up until recently weapons like AR-15s weren't available to the masses so it makes sense that most shooting over the last 50 years were done with handguns tho shotguns weren't mentioned and I know that a lot were used by people going postal.

Regardless, it's a f'n shit show no matter the numbers.

:peace:
 
Last edited:
OldMedUser

OldMedUser

Well-Known Member
DIY-HP-LED said:
but you need an FAC to buy guns and ammo.
Click to expand...
It's not an FAC, (Firearms Acquisition Certificate), anymore and hasn't been for quite a while. It's now called a PAL. (Possession and Acquisition Licence). Then there's an RPAL for restricted weapons like handguns, shorty shotguns and things like AR-15s.

I just took the Canadian Firearms Safety Course in early March and am still waiting for my permit. $125 for the course and another $64 for the processing and permit. With postage $200 for the whole thing and renewals every 5 years is just the processing or less maybe. I had let my old one expire past the 3-year grace period or wouldn't have had to take the course. Spouse had to sign off that she was cool with me owning guns but they haven't called her yet and may not. One of my two references just passed away suddenly last Friday so I hope they don't call him and hold up my paperwork.

Couple weeks ago I was talking to a young fella working in a store and mentioned I needed ammo so he went down the street and picked me up 400 rounds of .22LR. They didn't have 16 gauge shells but no rush for them. Got a 25 shot clip for the 10-22 so all set for a mass shooting of damn magpies if they don't move along. :D

Hoping they just check my record and know that I have had the FAC and POL, (Possession Only Licence no longer offered), in the past and move it along.

Bit of a PITA but not such a big deal so I don't understand what the big deal is to the Yanks. Like the Bible often is the 2nd amendment has been twisted from its original meaning and intent by people who have ulterior motives.

:peace:
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
OldMedUser said:
I read the article and didn't see what their criteria is for a mass shooting. Numbers stated seem pretty low.

Up until recently weapons like AR-15s weren't available to the masses so it makes sense that most shooting over the last 50 years were done with handguns tho shotguns weren't mentioned and I know that a lot were used by people going postal.

Regardless, it's a f'n shot show no matter the numbers.

:peace:
Click to expand...
the standard seems to be at least 4 people wounded or killed to be considered a "mass shooting". :(
 
OldMedUser

OldMedUser

Well-Known Member
Roger A. Shrubber said:
the standard seems to be at least 4 people wounded or killed to be considered a "mass shooting". :(
Click to expand...
I'm aware that's what they are using now but didn't see that specified in the article about the study. I would expect to see that but maybe I missed it.

Like these numbers seem awfully low especially for around 2019. I would imagine that 2019 was at least double the average for that 9-year period. 2023 is going to blow that out of the water. :(

"The death toll has risen sharply, particularly in the last decade. In the 1970s, mass shootings claimed an average of eight lives per year. From 2010 to 2019, the end of the study period, the average was up to 51 deaths per year."

:peace:
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
OldMedUser said:
It's not an FAC, (Firearms Acquisition Certificate), anymore and hasn't been for quite a while. It's now called a PAL. (Possession and Acquisition Licence). Then there's an RPAL for restricted weapons like handguns, shorty shotguns and things like AR-15s.

I just took the Canadian Firearms Safety Course in early March and am still waiting for my permit. $125 for the course and another $64 for the processing and permit. With postage $200 for the whole thing and renewals every 5 years is just the processing or less maybe. I had let my old one expire past the 3-year grace period or wouldn't have had to take the course. Spouse had to sign off that she was cool with me owning guns but they haven't called her yet and may not. One of my two references just passed away suddenly last Friday so I hope they don't call him and hold up my paperwork.

Couple weeks ago I was talking to a young fella working in a store and mentioned I needed ammo so he went down the street and picked me up 400 rounds of .22LR. They didn't have 16 gauge shells but no rush for them. Got a 25 shot clip for the 10-22 so all set for a mass shooting of damn magpies if they don't move along. :D

Hoping they just check my record and know that I have had the FAC and POL, (Possession Only Licence no longer offered), in the past and move it along.

Bit of a PITA but not such a big deal so I don't understand what the big deal is to the Yanks. Like the Bible often is the 2nd amendment has been twisted from its original meaning and intent by people who have ulterior motives.

:peace:
Click to expand...
I haven't had much to do with guns for decades and was not aware of the name change, the point is yer certified sane and should be able to whip it out during arguments to prove the point! :lol:
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
If he didn't shoot all those people he could have run in the republican primary and might have won, he was a psycho and so had the prerequisites. He could have used his guns in his campaign ads and his beliefs would have won over the base for sure. I mean he would be just another republican shooting an assault rifle in their ads, nothing unusual there and his rhetoric would be no worse than elected republicans. Another wasted republican electoral talent as far as I can see, but changing his name to something whiter would help his chances of winning the republican's nomination for sure.

I mean if ya took a poll in that county, they would choose Trump over Biden by over 70% and probably vote republican by the same margin. What can one say to collective suicide except cry for the innocent and even the those stupid and naive enough to vote for their own murders.

www.cbsnews.com

Allen, Texas, shooting suspect had Nazi tattoos and researched when mall was busiest

His posts on a Russian social networking site suggest the 33-year-old had been planning the attack for weeks.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
OldMedUser said:
It's not an FAC, (Firearms Acquisition Certificate), anymore and hasn't been for quite a while. It's now called a PAL. (Possession and Acquisition Licence). Then there's an RPAL for restricted weapons like handguns, shorty shotguns and things like AR-15s.

I just took the Canadian Firearms Safety Course in early March and am still waiting for my permit. $125 for the course and another $64 for the processing and permit. With postage $200 for the whole thing and renewals every 5 years is just the processing or less maybe. I had let my old one expire past the 3-year grace period or wouldn't have had to take the course. Spouse had to sign off that she was cool with me owning guns but they haven't called her yet and may not. One of my two references just passed away suddenly last Friday so I hope they don't call him and hold up my paperwork.

Couple weeks ago I was talking to a young fella working in a store and mentioned I needed ammo so he went down the street and picked me up 400 rounds of .22LR. They didn't have 16 gauge shells but no rush for them. Got a 25 shot clip for the 10-22 so all set for a mass shooting of damn magpies if they don't move along. :D

Hoping they just check my record and know that I have had the FAC and POL, (Possession Only Licence no longer offered), in the past and move it along.

Bit of a PITA but not such a big deal so I don't understand what the big deal is to the Yanks. Like the Bible often is the 2nd amendment has been twisted from its original meaning and intent by people who have ulterior motives.

:peace:
Click to expand...
my shotgun is 16 gauge. I really should buy a loader.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
cannabineer said:
by loader I mean a device that reloads used or empty shotshells. 16 gauge isn’t a Walmart item.

View attachment 5289304
Click to expand...
ahh...i went the other way, obviously...
I don't get the opportunity to shoot my shotgun often, the local indoor range is pissy about shooting anything except buckshot, they say bb's fuck up the target return tracks. The local outdoor ranges are private. I know a couple of members, and they'll happiliy go shooting with me, but logistics seem to works against that most of the time.
So it would take me quite a while to recoup the cost of the machine itself, and would be another thing cluttering up my already cluttered workspace.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Roger A. Shrubber said:
ahh...i went the other way, obviously...
I don't get the opportunity to shoot my shotgun often, the local indoor range is pissy about shooting anything except buckshot, they say bb's fuck up the target return tracks. The local outdoor ranges are private. I know a couple of members, and they'll happiliy go shooting with me, but logistics seem to works against that most of the time.
So it would take me quite a while to recoup the cost of the machine itself, and would be another thing cluttering up my already cluttered workspace.
Click to expand...
Once upon a time I had an extensive loading (and bullet-casting) workshop. I’m hurting for space, and I sort of left stuff behind in the divorce. So now my capability is nil.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top