Young Plant Problems, Please Help!!! (PICS INCLUDED)

yeah circulation is important also. ideally you'd want an on and off light breeze on the plant. oscillating fans work great.

when i bring it in at night like now... i put a fan on it light breeze to strengthn the stem and give it some circulation..

Xenosis said:

either way the new soil will fix that problem. before i transplanted, a few of the leaves started doing the same but stopped right after. 2 days after doing another transplant to the smaller plant, the upper leaves started turner darker green and shimmering. as in the new soil that the roots had grown into was reaching the plant and helped it. the previous soil i had was very low in nutes like your previous setup was. the mg is golden.

my plant recovered from and went through even more crap and its growing inches a day now and sucking up tons of water, just give it a few days, probably up to 4 before you see any real signs since its still little. you do gotta get the light thing sorted out though, it needs tons of sunlight right now to heal and use the nutes.

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You give unsound advice Xeonsis. Plants that young cannot tollerate the mid-summer, mid afternoon sun. Its to much. Direct morning and evening sun. Indirect mid day sun till they get bigger.


I still think there are nutes in the mix somewhere.

I think you both do some more research. Check the FAQ section out. Also Riddles call all Noobs thread is a awsum place to start. Read it start to finish and you wouldnt have problems like this.

by ton i meant consistent like 18/6, not spotty by moving it around in actual sunlight patches. also i noted that it should not be too close as to radiate a lot of heat onto the plants. not disagreeing with you, your just backing me up.

my plant is growing an inch all around almost daily and the leaves are about 6'' now, all very rich dark green. the nute issue i had, was completely resolved by the soil he also switched to. im speaking out of pure personal experience + what research i had already done.

growing is a trial and error thing, gotta give it a shot and see what goes wrong and fix it next time around. to do a first grow completely right the first time around with no prior experience is an unlikely event, but not unheard of.

Xenosis said:

if anything its probably nute deficiency coupled with possible harsh lighting/heat conditions. do you have records of the general humidity and temperatures the plants are in out-doors?

your soil medium combination has virtually no nutes in it. i wouldnt recommend using peat moss at all and keep the soil mix simple for now until you can weed out the problems.

if anything use a nute free soil combo just in a small container for until the plant grows its first set of real leaves, then transfer it into a larger pot with 20-10-10 as it starts looking for nitrogen at this point.

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Here is were it tumbled. No Xenosis I was not backing you up. "Your soil medium contains no nutes in it." "If anything use a nute free soil combo."


And busy as I am right now. But still going to break this one down. Post by post if needed. Or you could just both follow the link provided. Your call..... Because "trial" and "error" need not be options with the information at hand.

Thank you cowboylogic for all your help

go with some organic, fox farms no nutes either and make sure u have drain holes

cowboylogic said:

Here is were it tumbled. No Xenosis I was not backing you up. "Your soil medium contains no nutes in it." "If anything use a nute free soil combo."


And busy as I am right now. But still going to break this one down. Post by post if needed. Or you could just both follow the link provided. Your call..... Because "trial" and "error" need not be options with the information at hand.

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not seeing this tumbling, but perhaps i was not clear enough. seedlings can be grown in very low nute soil to the point where it hits the vegging stage, which happens to be pretty early on. this was the only point i was making there, and in fact you just backed me up again by reiterating what i said. the low nute soil is ok only for young young plants. the soil needs nutes for the plant to grow big and strong.

i do not deny that some of my earlier posts in this thread were speculation as not all the necessary information was yet provided. dont go bashing me for saying things that arent necessarily wrong.

as a direct comparison between his conditions and mine, the only two key differences were the soil/size of container and the light source. and seeing as he did have a fairly sufficient light source, it made a lot more sense to pin the problem on the soil and container size, which im sure if given enough time will surface as a fact for him as it did for me.

Xenosis said:

if anything its probably nute deficiency coupled with possible harsh lighting/heat conditions. do you have records of the general humidity and temperatures the plants are in out-doors?

your soil medium combination has virtually no nutes in it. i wouldnt recommend using peat moss at all and keep the soil mix simple for now until you can weed out the problems.

if anything use a nute free soil combo just in a small container for until the plant grows its first set of real leaves, then transfer it into a larger pot with 20-10-10 as it starts looking for nitrogen at this point.

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Your entire post says it all.

And first grows do not need to be trial and error. You can start on a solid foundation and get good results from the start if you do the homework. After that its just tuning in.

little update.......plant is showing signs of growth so far, problems have not progressed......I would like to thank Xenosis for his support and VALUABLE information.......The next set of leaves are growing and things seem to be going well so far...I will post more tom...thank you

lets see some pics of the new growth. One up me.

cowboylogic said:

Your entire post says it all.

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thanks?

cowboylogic said:

And first grows do not need to be trial and error. You can start on a solid foundation and get good results from the start if you do the homework. After that its just tuning in.

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entirely agree, but sometimes people start before they have learned everything there is to learn, no?

genovese01 said:

little update.......plant is showing signs of growth so far, problems have not progressed......I would like to thank Xenosis for his support and VALUABLE information.......The next set of leaves are growing and things seem to be going well so far...I will post more tom...thank you

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good to hear, pics would def be nice.

Xenosis said:

you need around 30k lumens worth of CFLs or equiv with t5's. lumen output should be marked on the bulbs. and you would want daylight bulbs for vegging and soft white bulbs for flowering if you get to that point and dont have a hps hid.

you wont see too much improvement in the existing leaves, but newer growth will be nice and green and the stem should bulk up.

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I use $9 12w t5's from home depot for germination and it's never been a problem.

Dan Kone said:

I use $9 12w t5's from home depot for germination and it's never been a problem.

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how many? (roughly 1450-1600 lumens ea i believe)

i used a t5 for germination too, but growth was stunted after getting into the vegetative stage. at this point i would attribute more of the problems i was having to poor soil and small pot size.

a 400watt mh produces roughly 30k lumens, while an 400watt hps produces up to 56k lumens. you can certainly grow with less via a 250watt, or more with 600watt etc, but the time it takes will differ.

its not entirely dependent on the quantity of lumens but rather the frequency it comes in and the plants stage of growth and as long as its at least one of the two its usually no problem.

Xenosis said:

how many? (roughly 1450-1600 lumens ea i believe)

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I have a gorilla rack with one strip of 2 12w t5 bulbs screwed into the top of every shelf. 4 shelfs, a total of 8 lights with 2 bulbs each. then reptile heating pads with a beach towel sitting on each shelf that I only plug in during the winter. I have no idea how many lumens. A friend of mine up in Eureka cuts clones professionally (about 2-3k clones per month) and that's what he puts his in, so I just copied his system and it works fine for me. Never had a problem with it.

ok, so here is todays's update, my plant seems to doing good and growing.....

good news is i just got a bunch of seeds that i just put in paper towel to germinate!

THE GREAT NEWS: I am adopting this plant from my friend who i gave instructions on how to do it......check out the pics and give me your opinions!! thank you

Dan Kone said:

I have a gorilla rack with one strip of 2 12w t5 bulbs screwed into the top of every shelf. 4 shelfs, a total of 8 lights with 2 bulbs each. then reptile heating pads with a beach towel sitting on each shelf that I only plug in during the winter. I have no idea how many lumens. A friend of mine up in Eureka cuts clones professionally (about 2-3k clones per month) and that's what he puts his in, so I just copied his system and it works fine for me. Never had a problem with it.

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nice sounds like a good setup.

genovese01 said:

ok, so here is todays's update, my plant seems to doing good and growing.....

good news is i just got a bunch of seeds that i just put in paper towel to germinate!

THE GREAT NEWS: I am adopting this plant from my friend who i gave instructions on how to do it......check out the pics and give me your opinions!! thank you

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looks healthy, make sure you give it some good light.

honestly dont think its nutes im pretty sure the sun got it I had the same thing happen to me I got a little shade screen for my garden and they revived and love it. dont trip just water and dont leave it in direct sunlight when its scorching if it gets to 90+ put it in shade. good luck

genovese01 said:

ok, so here is todays's update, my plant seems to doing good and growing.....

good news is i just got a bunch of seeds that i just put in paper towel to germinate!

THE GREAT NEWS: I am adopting this plant from my friend who i gave instructions on how to do it......check out the pics and give me your opinions!! thank you

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great news. It looks healthy. Now just feed it water and don't mess with the roots!