Sorry I must be missing what your trying to say. Are you saying science is not reason? Reason is only possible through discussion between parties, language is absolutely necessary to make a reasonable assessment of the world. Its a way for more than a individual to compile common information that they haven't directly observed and weed out disinformation or naivety.
Just because our word language doesn't have ideal structure to convey truths, doesn't mean universal truths don't exist. Unless I missed a memo? Like pi for example, that is a universal truth. From what we can sense gravity is also universal. The reason truth must be decided on is so the content of a language is consistent. Rather than having eight words that mean snow, we can define it as the material H2O being subject to a lowered temperature while rendering its H-bonding nearly ineffective and its energetic movement to a dull humm.
What science tries to do is make as few assumptions as possible, and only make an assumption if that assumption can lead to prove another idea while adhering to the 'known' truths. Thats not to say what we know as truths haven't evolved into what we know and aren't going to evolve further. My point was that math is a much more concise and accurate way of knowing the world.
It just seems your entire ideal hinges on relativism, sort of a thought up metaphysical world(please correct me if I'm incorrect). I prefer a world that each can test themselves, the objective and falsifiable, and the only proof hinges on ones desire to dissect what 'is'.
That book sort of sounds like plato's allegory of the cave, and science is in complete consonance with that. And commonsense would say that what people believe is inevitably a result of its experiences(its experiences could include scientific meandering).
I really don't know if I got that right.
Peace
Yes, I`m saying science isn`t reason. Scientific and philosophical, even logical thinking leads to a chaotic sequence of questioning reality. Science works by questioning things and getting the answer. You are however, thinking of science to be something which will answer our reason of existence, this is not possible. Why is it not possible? I explained earlier. Scienc and logic will keep asking, why? And for every question there has to be an answer and reason. What will happen in the end, infinite questioning and infinite answers? It just CANT give us a logical answer.... I mean oh yea, religgeon can do that by telling people asking questions that god made them and to stop questioning his existence and have faith, therefore allowing them to be ignorant. Don`t be confused by what logic and science actually give us, they will never give us reason, they will give us benefits. The ability to manipulate everything around us to our own benefit and compare things around us.
If you think of some electronical part, e.g logical comparator in electronics which compares 2 signals to tell which of them is bigger. Thats the function of that electronic part part, the function of our brains are to keep us alive and reproducing... Do you think evolution gives a damn about finding an answer even if it is possible? So just like the Comparator, (its called an OPAMP actually) we can compare things and weight up odds, we can say a rock just hurt our leg and we could hurt someone else with it, realise that fire works.
Don`t let our advancement in science, we are still comparing and making analogys and this will never change. Even if you know there is an electron or somethings gaining or losing electrons in chemistry this isn`t universal at all. Its your notation of an phenomenon in our universe and everyone will look at that phenomenon with a different perspective. What you are doing, is making note of this phenomenon and its properties and how to use it, you cannot move beyond that. Thats what our brains are ment to do, as a specie what will knowing why we exist really do for us anyway, would it make a difference if you knew or not?
Like pi for example, that is a universal truth : Pi is in our own notation, I don`t have to remind you numbers don`t actually exist they are our notation of a phenomenon. If you drew a picture of a tree would that be universal for all the entities on planet earth? What about something with a different perspective, like a bat for example. It will see with sound and therefore disagree with you.
Look at it this way, we are in a massive soup of a universe full of strange phenomena... Pi is not a universal truth, it is a tool to obtain what we want from the strangeness around us. So is toilet paper, but neither are universal.
And commonsense would say that what people believe is inevitably a result of its experiences(its experiences could include scientific meandering). : You do inspire a lot of thought in me, that is true but your missing something important. There aren`t many people whoose lives will change when they discover Pi, Internal combustion engine or solar panels. Well, life might change in a way of pride, finance etc.. But that won`t change the way you look at. An experience comes through your senses and is thought over by your mind. A life changing experience is something which contradicts our previous understanding of things. For example now, I`m kinda thinking my parents will always be around for me and I think I`ll father a child. However when these things happen, they will change the way I think about things. It doesn`t matter if I discover cold fusion, when my mother or brother dies I`m going to be very deeply effected by that depending on the circumstances.
So what your saying is true in theory, however:
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Our ability (or inability) to imbue our observed word with meaning will always be influenced by the experiences that we have participated in prior to the point in time at which the interpretation takes place., both in our own lives, and within the context of accumulated knowledge through our species existence,"
Pay attention to the last bit of the sentence, context of accumulated knowledge through our species existence. Those are your building very basic building blocks and you have unconciously absorbed all of this from the time your parents were telling you off and teaching you how to speak this language. If I was to raise you telling you that in our religgeon, you had to invent a cure for AIDS to transcend or something and you found that cure, it would change your life. It would be a climax. However this change of mood and climax is very relative to what you have been taught, and as you realise things like a scientific break through can only change peoples lifes which we call "nerds" if it can I guess...
And if we are to say that our experiences effect us also upoun our basic habitats such as ego, jelousy, pride etc etc.. we just aren`t a reliable source for universal information of any sorts.... The only thing universal is what is around, not our thoughts and not what we think about whats around us. Just what is right in front of you and what is which you are made of.
Vaping DMT really helped me to get a further unbiased looks at life and it cannot be described, just like everything else. Its just there and you view it with your senses and process it with your thoughts and the result is an illusion.
Did you know when some humans which have arms or legs amputated on (amputee`s), can feel pain in nonexistant limbs just as if they were still there and it feels as real as real can be for the human being. If you have noticed, when we go to the dentist and are administered a local anaesthetic our lips go numb and feel swollen. They arent swollen at all, our brain is such an amazing computer that it is computing a "feeling" to replace the one which we lost from the lip by the anesthetic. Its not quite the best fit, its slightly bigger than normal but it feels real to us. Can you even imagine what virtual reality is capable of?
So in the future, I can imagine no use for drugs anymore when we create biological computers and make connections to our brain like in the matrix. These highly recreational devices will have to be banned for the future of humanity. I studied electronics for 6 years and I can just imagine our brain as a closed loop system with this other computer living a completely different reality from the illusion we previously called reality, we may be able to create new senses by re-wring our brain. During doing this we will realise we can think or feel anything and there is an infinate variety of pleasures in the universe. This is the ultimate point hedonism can get to and it will do eventually.
But this example proves a lot of points. This drove me a bit insane when I was first thinking like this, lol I didn`t retaliate with rebellion and violence however...
+Rep Rodart, you don`t speak bullshit when you type!
