Pinworm
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Who needs a job when you can support yourself growing gnarly dense fat buds? Also...You suck at being human.
A tax analogy, who's really paying their fair share?
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Lets travel down that road for a moment, shall we.
I spent the first part of this year getting sober, not trusting myself with a dollar in my pocket. When I felt it was time, I got a job. To get a better job, you have to have a job to start with. So I chose subway.
I made $8 for each and every hour I worked. Not much money, at all. I would say its typical of someone working at such places. If one works 40 horus a week, every week of the year that is under $17k annual income. In reality, with a few days off here and there, the income is probably under $16k.
A person with such an income pays no taxes. They usually get more back on their income tax refund than they paid in. Usually its enough to cover even the FICA taxes withheld on their checks also. When you count the food stamps they are also on, and the medicare, and all the other "lets give shit away that isnt ours" programs the Democrats have enacted over the years, taxes are a source of income for people who work at places like subway, rather than a liability.
I didn't work most of this year, so even though my income has gone way up, it only started in November. So I will be getting much more than I paid in this year. Next year, it will be a different story.
But my point is, with all the programs out there for the poor, they are not taxed. They have deductions from their pay check, but that and then some is given back to them after they file their taxes.
UncleBuck
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minus the property taxes, sales, taxes, gas taxes, taxes on their electric, phone bill, gas bill and other bills, payroll taxes, and whatever of their income and state taxes don't get refunded to them.
but yeah, besides all of that, you're right on.
What you are talking about there are mostly local/state taxes.
The federal government has tiny tiny tiny add on for gasoline.
But were talking national tax policy here, so your post is about as relevant as the number of hairs growing on my scrotum.
I lol at your fail. Its so pathetic.
The only thing federal, and therefor relevant, in that list you gave is the payroll tax. Here is how pathetic or ignorant you are. You are using a different name for something I debunked/addressed in an earlier post. The "payroll taxes" are also known as FICA. FICA taxes are refunded indirectly through the Earned Income Tax Credit.
Now, here is something that makes our tax system terribly regressive. Take a guy making $100k a year, and a guy making $2million a year. Did you know they pay the same payroll (FICA) taxes?
Not exactly the same, the cap is somewhere barely over 100k. So basically, you only pay FICA taxes on the first 100k of your income.
UncleBuck
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OMFG, is the subway employee just talking to hear himself talk now?
we all know where the payroll tax ends. i've been talking about raising the cap for years now.
jesus christ this kid is fucking insufferable.
heckler73
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The podium is yours, and I am here to be your audience.
Tell me more about this "fair share" and how you define it.
Do you know why there is a cap? It's cause there is a cap on social security benefits. Do you want people to be getting $14k and larger monthly ssi checks?
UncleBuck
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only the lowest of subway employees would not understand what a liberal means when he refers to raising the cap on SS to keep it funded.
There are many areas of social security that could be seen as a cap. Your just a moron incapable of a protracted discussion that involves critical thought.
Fucking idiot.
You are totally right, but it is still a tax. Is your position that it isn't a true tax because if you don't die you will be given social security benefits at a specific age?
That is pretty much the definition of a tax, a forced collection of money to be used by government to provide services.
But I see what your saying about the employer, they should not have to pay any of it.
It's a hard one to pin down when it comes to employee contributions.
I don't know of any tax that is structured in this way. Every tax I know of, once it's paid, you don't get a chance to get any of it back.
And before anyone brings up witholdings, that's quite a different story. The money the government withholds is not considered a tax until you file a return, only then does the government asses your contributions and it becomes a tax.
Well, you are right, that is the one that is the most direct in terms of paying it and getting it back. However, it is a social service. All other taxes (are supposed to) are used to provide things for the common good of society. Roads, military, you know all the shit the government 'provides' for us. It is all funded by taxation.
Social Security is a service just like roads are. Without it there would be a lot of homeless old people shitting in your front yard. It enables them to have a place to live when they get old and useless.
Pinworm
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Ya'll know me. Still the same OG. But, I been low key. Hated on by most of these niggas with no cheese. No deals, and no keys. No wheels, and no keys.
Mad at me because I got a crib with a studio, with a wall full of plaques.
Ya'll really think I'mma let my dough freeze. Bitch please. You better bow down on both knees.
Who the fuck you think taught you to smoke trees? Who you think brought you the oldies? Ice Cubes, Easy E's...DOC's, the Snoop D`o double G's..And, the group that said MOTHER FUCK THE POLICE!
And when your album sales weren't doing too good, who's the doc they told you to go see?
Pinworm
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Ya ya, I'm just trying to say, All I know is I'm upstairs listenin' to my will smith CD, and...Then i seen all these flames goin errywhere...
Shit, Hold on a minute bitch. Aye, Detroit, what? Detroit what?!
And when the cops came through me and dre stood next to a burned down house, with a can full of gas, and a hand full of matches, and still wasn't found out.
Shit, Hold on a minute bitch. Aye, Detroit, what? Detroit what?!
And when the cops came through me and dre stood next to a burned down house, with a can full of gas, and a hand full of matches, and still wasn't found out.
A consumption tax, like the FairTax, would go a long way into solving this by being more of a tax on wealth than a tax on income.
UncleBuck
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ginwilly got owned by canna sylvan for preaching that same line of nonsense. it is mathematically retarded to advance that line of nonsense.
I am prepared to debate the merits of the FairTax.
Please demonstrate to me the mathematical retardation?
UncleBuck
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you said that a consumption tax is a tax on wealth.
as income approaches infinity (wealth), the effective rate of taxation approaches zero.
as income approaches zero, the effective rate of taxation approaches 100% (your prebate is as retarded as your 32% rate of taxation, so spare me).
the "fair" tax is not a tax on wealth, it is a regressive tax on the middle class and poor.
but you work at subway, so of course you don't understand such basic math about the asinine package of goods that you bought.
fool.