harnessing a 30amp outlet. simple queston

[ScoobyDoobyDoo]

No box connector or staple is designed to work with thhn without a raceway. I don't expect you to understand the reason for the code, but at least have some respect for those of us that are licensed and wish to stay that way. If you truly did have a contractors license then you would know you could be held liable for doing even doing unlicensed trade work at all, let alone damages and/or injuries caused by any work you've done not to code. Just giving out poor advice could get someone and their family injured or homeless because you like to cut corners. I wouldn't sleep well knowing I gave bad advice. Say what you will to defend your stance, it only further proves the point that you don't care about building codes or the safety of occupants, rather for some unknown reason, you find it appealing to hand out bad advice.

you keep talking but you still don't seem to get it. we aren't talking about a house i am building; we're not talking about some construction project this guy is liable for...we're talking about turning a single circuit in his garage into 120v so he can run some fans on it. are you dense bro! just cause you're an anal retentive wanna be doesn't mean everyone has to think the same as you. no one is burning a house down by running a neutral in a different raceway. if you had any practical real world experience you'd know this. instead, your on riu to the tune of 21 posts a day. business can't be all that good if you spend all day on a weed forum trying to pick fights and dole out shitty advice. judging by the amount of time you spend stroking yourself on this website i doubt you even have a job. probably cause of your piss poor attitude and lack of common logic.

 

[spek9]

you keep talking but you still don't seem to get it. we aren't talking about a house i am building; we're not talking about some construction project this guy is liable for...we're talking about turning a single circuit in his garage into 120v so he can run some fans on it. are you dense bro! just cause you're an anal retentive wanna be doesn't mean everyone has to think the same as you. no one is burning a house down by running a neutral in a different raceway. if you had any practical real world experience you'd know this. instead, your on riu to the tune of 21 posts a day. business can't be all that good if you spend all day on a weed forum trying to pick fights and dole out shitty advice. judging by the amount of time you spend stroking yourself on this website i doubt you even have a job. probably cause of your piss poor attitude and lack of common logic.

This is cold homie.

Forget about the posts made by a member, that is irrelevant. Many people put up several posts per day with full time jobs.

Let's keep on track...

The main objective is safety for the people on RIU. I'm hopeful we can all agree on that here.

There is truth in the fact that a neutral running 120v @15A can most certainly be deemed hot. I don't think anyone will argue that.

However, responsibility is key here in order to promote a safe environment and a haven for trustworthy advice.

Do NOT work outside of code, and do NOT promote working outside of code.

Your plans will work fine bro, but they don't fit in with how we like to operate here; within safe, known sound guidelines.

-spek

 

[ScoobyDoobyDoo]

This is cold homie.
Forget about the posts made by a member, that is irrelevant. Many people put up several posts per day with full time jobs.
Let's keep on track...
The main objective is safety for the people on RIU. I'm hopeful we can all agree on that here.
There is truth in the fact that a neutral running 120v @15A can most certainly be deemed hot. I don't think anyone will argue that.
However, responsibility is key here in order to promote a safe environment and a haven for trustworthy advice.
Do NOT work outside of code, and do NOT promote working outside of code.
Your plans will work fine bro, but they don't fit in with how we like to operate here; within safe, known sound guidelines.

-spek

i agree that we should all be safe. but my opinion is that it is perfectly safe. and this one is arbitrary. i'm not telling the guy to daisy 4 outlets on a 20amp breaker and run 4000w on it. i'm building a new stand alone grow house right now. code dictates i'm supposed to have an outlet every 6 feet. i'm not following code. i'm putting outlets where i need them and a few extras. certain spots i know will never need and outlet. am i unsafe for not following code? if my grow room burns down is my insurance company going to void my policy cause there wasn't an outlet every 6 feet?

 

[FarmerGee]

i agree that we should all be safe. but my opinion is that it is perfectly safe. and this one is arbitrary. i'm not telling the guy to daisy 4 outlets on a 20amp breaker and run 4000w on it. i'm building a new stand alone grow house right now. code dictates i'm supposed to have an outlet every 6 feet. i'm not following code. i'm putting outlets where i need them and a few extras. certain spots i know will never need and outlet. am i unsafe for not following code? if my grow room burns down is my insurance company going to void my policy cause there wasn't an outlet every 6 feet?

Actually...yes If you intentionally wired a potentially overloaded circuit. You don't state if your "outlets where you need them and a few others" is more than the circuit can handle. What you do state is that you dont see a need to follow any codes. If you dont follow codes, your insurance company has a green light to void your claim. What makes you think insurance companies are sitting on a mountain of cash to just give away? They look for any reason they can to stay profitable and not payout claims to individuals that choose to be unsafe by their standards. Lets remember, their money, their rules. Whether a legal grow or not, safety first. Homeowners do have inspections, so do tenants.

On a seperate note, Snaps, or anyone else, I've seen outlet adapters for boats, campers, and generators that have a 30 amp plug at one end and a 4x15amp at the other. Do the make an adapter for dryer outlets like that maybe for construction/trade job sites?

 

[ScoobyDoobyDoo]

Actually...yes If you intentionally wired a potentially overloaded circuit. You don't state if your "outlets where you need them and a few others" is more than the circuit can handle. What you do state is that you dont see a need to follow any codes. If you dont follow codes, your insurance company has a green light to void your claim. What makes you think insurance companies are sitting on a mountain of cash to just give away? They look for any reason they can to stay profitable and not payout claims to individuals that choose to be unsafe by their standards. Lets remember, their money, their rules. Whether a legal grow or not, safety first. Homeowners do have inspections, so do tenants.

On a seperate note, Snaps, or anyone else, I've seen outlet adapters for boats, campers, and generators that have a 30 amp plug at one end and a 4x15amp at the other. Do the make an adapter for dryer outlets like that maybe for construction/trade job sites?

What makes you think that if your house burns down cause you are growing the insurance company is gonna cover. Even if the room is to code. Federal law buddy. Good luck with that.

 

[bwest]

The fire doesn't have to be because of your grow. Maybe the fire was in an adjacent part of the house, and the inspector noticed some wiring not up to code while doing an after fire inspection.
You are only thinking about the wiring catching fire. Your way may be safe, but it could screw a homeowner in the end, because even though that particular wiring did not burn, code violations in existing wiring could
violate terms for insurance coverage. Besides, it is stupid to gamble your home to grow weed. Just walk away from your home and go start all over with no help and tell us how cool it is. So, you can go ahead and keep that chip on your shoulder, but when it comes to the wiring in my home, that shit will pass any inspection and meet any code that it needs to, to the letter. How much do you think it would cost to replace every single item in your home?

 

[ScoobyDoobyDoo]

The fire doesn't have to be because of your grow. Maybe the fire was in an adjacent part of the house, and the inspector noticed some wiring not up to code while doing an after fire inspection.
You are only thinking about the wiring catching fire. Your way may be safe, but it could screw a homeowner in the end, because even though that particular wiring did not burn, code violations in existing wiring could
violate terms for insurance coverage. Besides, it is stupid to gamble your home to grow weed. Just walk away from your home and go start all over with no help and tell us how cool it is. So, you can go ahead and keep that chip on your shoulder, but when it comes to the wiring in my home, that shit will pass any inspection and meet any code that it needs to, to the letter. How much do you think it would cost to replace every single item in your home?

so it's stupid to gamble with your home to grow weed? isn't that what most growers are doing by growing weed in their homes? wow.

if your wiring is up to code it doesn't matter if they find a grow room in your house. read your homeowner's insurance policy buddy. FEDERAL LAW!!!!

 

[budleydoright]

C'mon, Scoob if your a contractor you should know better than to ask a master sparky to break code or give advice that does.

I don't always follow code but I do respect it!

 

[haulinbass]

What i use on my dryer outlet is a powerbox 7500 240 volt, my outlet and wiring im not entirely sure on but my breaker is a double pole 30amp breaker so im assuming its 30 amp all the way, i give myself 23amps of lighting(at 240volts) and run my fans and that on the existing 120volt outlets. The powerbox is not code in canada i believe but i will have to look into it more. Id hire an electrician but we only have oilfield electricians around here and they are well over 100 an hour just for their time.

 

[althor]

Spec is NAILING IT.

Even if your short-cut is safe and won't cause a problem....
You can have a fire on the OPPOSITE side of the house and you will be FUCKED because your wiring was not up to code, even if it had nothing to do with the cause of the fire.

Never scrimp on your wiring. Never.

 

[ButchyBoy]

Wow, all this testosterone flying around!! Still don't know who has the biggest dick!! LOL!!!!


Is there going to be a valid answer for the OP????? Poor guy probably headed over to another forum.....

 

[ScoobyDoobyDoo]

C'mon, Scoob if your a contractor you should know better than to ask a master sparky to break code or give advice that does.

I don't always follow code but I do respect it!

finally, someone with half a brain. lol.

what up budley? how goes it in your world?

 

[707Napacalibomb]

I apprectiate yall taking a little time to lend an ole boy a hand but it looks like splitting this 30amp 220volt circuit into two 110s requires some semi-serious rewiring. This is a very small grow. Only 4x4 and 1000w. I want to keep this as simple as possible plus I am only renting. However, as far as the great state of California is concerned I am totally legal.I just want to keep the ability to run both the washer and dryer while the lights are on, not worry about tripping breakers, and be able to add on an extra here or there without any hassle. It looks like Ill call an electrician. Thanks RIU

 

[spek9]

I apprectiate yall taking a little time to lend an ole boy a hand but it looks like splitting this 30amp 220volt circuit into two 110s requires some semi-serious rewiring. This is a very small grow. Only 4x4 and 1000w. I want to keep this as simple as possible plus I am only renting. However, as far as the great state of California is concerned I am totally legal.I just want to keep the ability to run both the washer and dryer while the lights are on, not worry about tripping breakers, and be able to add on an extra here or there without any hassle. It looks like Ill call an electrician. Thanks RIU

If you are totally legal than you should definitely have someone come in to help. Also, being a rental property, you're going to want something ephemeral, especially if the landlord isn't about to be made aware. If he is, bring him up to speed and let him know what the electrician proposes.

-spek

 

[TheJaspMan]

I can't believe I was looking at one thing and got sucked into reading this entire thread! I had to stop in the middle and make popcorn!