Are cars like the Tesla Model S the future?

[racerboy71]

Shit, let's just Skip over electric and go back to steam .. you know, that super new technology out today..
You might not.of heard about it though as it's so ground breaking..

 

[Wilksey]

What is it with you people and markets? It's like a fucking religion. The market can't even function without the state, it has to be propped up and regulated so it doesn't consolidate and consume itself.

Seriously.

Hell, if it wasn't for the state propping up the cannabis market, NONE of us would be able to grow, or FIND cannabis....to....enjoy.....uh.....

Nevermind.

 

[twostrokenut]

How is the electric .motor current technology? Yeah, it's not exactly.. I've looked up the date of the patent for an electric motor before and it's something like 1874, so yeah..
Maybe the storage batteries are new tech, but it's a joke and a slap in the face to real progress to the automobile ..

Brushless motor?

 

[see4]

Why doesn't Obama instead fund Tesla to make a consumer rather than just luxury and sports cars? Tesla has a working product, improve it.

They are. Tesla is coming out with a more consumer friendly model in the next year or two.

 

[see4]

The range is 300 miles. 0 to 60 in 4.2 seconds. 416 hp(310 kW). Over 90 MPG equivalent. The only problem is the $70,000 price tag after subsidy. The rich save the earth. While Obama wastes billions on alternative energy that goes bankrupt.

Bullshit straw-man argument. President Obama has nothing to do with Tesla, so why even bring it up in a thread about Tesla?

And here I thought this thread would have been of something worthy of debate, it was going well until your last sentence. What the fuck does President Obama have to do with cars like the Tesla? And it's future?

And you wonder why we make fun of you? You wonder why we stick to the same short answers? Why are you so racist?

This is me pointing out your bullshit straw-man argument.

Our energy dept is the only reason Tesla exists, not companies like Tesla, but Tesla. All it took was a nice campaign donation.

Bullshit argument that is almost devoid of fact.

You are so very very wrong. Why do you people continue to bullshit when the facts are just a few google clicks away?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Motors Please read the History section. And where is says where the Department of Energy was involved, I want you to click the ATVM link... actually, no, let me paste it here for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Technology_Vehicles_Manufacturing_Loan_Program This states the program was created in the fall of 2008, BEFORE Obama was president.

Whoops.

Me pointing out that ginwilly was almost devoid of fact, and that Canna Rabbit is poorly attempting a straw-man argument.

You are wearing Cheezy glasses!

Canna only said Obama was wasting billions on alternative energy projects, which he is, remember Solyndra?

Ginwilly is the one you quoted and gave the Wiki links to, which BTW supported his argument, not yours.

Damn dude, you are all over the place, smoke a frikin joint and calm down.

Let's meet for lunch and discuss it further? Or mom won't let you out with strangers?

Are you denying the information in the links is fact? What in the links shows that ginwilly and Canna are correct? Careful of the specifics, I am not denying the government funded Tesla, but rather I am providing evidence to that the government did not start Tesla, nor was Tesla completely dependent on the government program. I am also showing that the program was started BEFORE President Obama was elected, thus showing that Canna poorly attempted a straw-man argument.

Ask your mommy beennowhere, maybe she can explain it to you.

 

[NLXSK1]

Shit, let's just Skip over electric and go back to steam .. you know, that super new technology out today..
You might not.of heard about it though as it's so ground breaking..

Steam kicks ass for pure power!!! Too much maintenance though and starting your car in the morning would take waaaay too long

 

[beenthere]

The federal government should stay out of the automobile business altogether.
Look what happened when they got into the solar business or buying GM, that cost the tax payers over $11billion in only five years.

 

[see4]

The federal government should stay out of the automobile business altogether.
Look what happened when they got into the solar business or buying GM, that cost the tax payers over $11billion in only five years.

What are you debating? Tesla is doing quite well, they are working on creating a more consumer friendly vehicle. GM has paid back most of its debt and the rest the government owns as stake in the company, as is doing quite well in the market.

I do agree, that government really should not be putting their hands in private business, however the two cases you provide are not good examples. One was needed because our economy was at stake, the other was a BUSH administration program. Why weren't you complaining then?

 

[Beefbisquit]

Shit, let's just Skip over electric and go back to steam .. you know, that super new technology out today..
You might not.of heard about it though as it's so ground breaking..

Not only has the output and efficiency of electric motors increased exponentially, but the storage abilities have increased, and the time taken to charge them have decreased exponentially.

Steam engines effectively plateaued in the ability to be refined and made better. Electric motors have not begun to plateau and are advancing further and further as time passes. Once electric motor technology starts to plateau, it will no longer be advantageous to pursue it.

 

[kelly4]

As long as Ford keeps making F150's, who cares?

 

[kelly4]

As long as Ford keeps making F150's, who cares?

I guess I would care if they started running off of batteries...

 

[Dr Kynes]

odds anything that runs on fuel as in gas or ethonl will not be a option since the power required to use it is a limited supply .......hence the 3.86 a gallon at the pump and with the decrease of the babyboomers and the increase of the ones from derset strom/sheild ...........the amount of drivers will be increasing

so all those designs are crap and will be replaced with something that is better

my vote is a hydrogen system combined with magnetics

hydrogen is in great supply and even more so with ocean lvls raising
and magnetics like a mag train or those old stories about lode stones (it would hover over the land or sea using repulsive force against the earth own magnetic feild once in motion the 2 feilds would cause a engery to build up allowing u to lower the need for hydrogen faster u go less hydrogen needed)

you are high as fuck.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Nobody loves their cars more than someone named Racerboy obviously ..
What we have now, internal combustion engines, such a joke, outdated technology it's not even funny... what is however funny, is thinking that an even older technology, electric motors, could some how be a step forward and an improvement..
Look at all the advancements in society in the time that the internal engine has been the.go to technology for transportation, and the lack of advancements in this single field that basically effects pretty much every person on this planet in one way or a other.. why has their been no changes? Ummm, maybe because big oil is a monster and people make crazy money pimping it out? Hmm, maybe ..
But, no, electric is sure as shit not the way forward , of course imvho, what is the answer? Wish I knew or iwoukdnt be some stoner on a pot forum that's for sure.. but no way in hell going backwards is the way forward that much is.clear..

the future is Methyl alcohol, just like nascar uses.

you can make it from lawn clippings, it produces more juice per liter in an engine than gasoline, and if you crash, you can put out the fire with water.

hydrogen, electric , methane, and magnet powered delusion-mobiles are ridiculous.

 

[Beefbisquit]

you are high as fuck.

We have inductive charging.... no reason we couldn't place 'pads' under the road so electric cars would have a limitless energy source....

 

[Beefbisquit]

the future is Methyl alcohol, just like nascar uses.

you can make it from lawn clippings, it produces more juice per liter in an engine than gasoline, and if you crash, you can put out the fire with water.

hydrogen, electric , methane, and magnet powered delusion-mobiles are ridiculous.

That is comedy right there!

 

[Dr Kynes]

We have inductive charging.... no reason we couldn't place 'pads' under the road so electric cars would have a limitless energy source....

and from whence cometh this electricity?

why not put a high voltage net over every street, and let everybody drive bumpercars?

 

[Beefbisquit]

and from whence cometh this electricity?

why not put a high voltage net over every street, and let everybody drive bumpercars?

Electricity, preferably, should come from renewable sources. I know it's a pipe dream, but so is having charge mats under the streets. I mean, the technology is there, it is possible.

It doesn't have to be 'bumper cars' but why is getting energy from a contact source on/under/above the road so crazy? It wouldn't even have to be a full power source from the 'grid', but think of the range extension EV cars would have. If there were charging strips at certain points on the highway/freeway where you could get back a certain amount of energy if you drove over top of them, it would increase the now somewhat laughable range of EV vehicles.

Right now, burning fossil fuels to turn it into electricity, to power a car is just an extra step, and is probably harder on the environment (Although it can be easier on the wallet, ironic really).

 

[kelly4]

and from whence cometh this electricity?

why not put a high voltage net over every street, and let everybody drive bumpercars?

Can we put those over lakes? I want a bumperboat.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

You're all wrong. We already know how vehicles will be powered in the near future.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Electricity, preferably, should come from renewable sources. I know it's a pipe dream, but so is having charge mats under the streets. I mean, the technology is there, it is possible.

It doesn't have to be 'bumper cars' but why is getting energy from a contact source on/under/above the road so crazy? It wouldn't even have to be a full power source from the 'grid', but think of the range extension EV cars would have. If there were charging strips at certain points on the highway/freeway where you could get back a certain amount of energy if you drove over top of them, it would increase the now somewhat laughable range of EV vehicles.

Right now, burning fossil fuels to turn it into electricity, to power a car is just an extra step, and is probably harder on the environment (Although it can be easier on the wallet, ironic really).

every time you transform energy from one state to another you lose some to heat, friction and resistance, centralized power generation may sound good, but when you consider it carefully, it becomes a massively expensive and wasteful proposal.

gasoline engines are only economical because gasoline is an energy dense, easily transported WASTE product of oil refining.

methyl alcohol is a better choice, but it must be made deliberately, rather than simply being the left over junk from oil.

methane/propane/hydrogen is too combustible, requires high pressure cyninders.
refilling liquified hydrogen, methane or propane tanks is too dangerous for the average dipshit to manage, and in a crash you get explosions instead of fires.
production/transportation/storage of the quantities of fuel needed would be a massive undertaking.