Predictions of the nextr 4 years

[UncleBuck]

Democrats will not run on Obamacare

"Tomorrow in Virginia is a referendum on Obamacare," Cuccinelli said. "Let's send a message and say 'no' tomorrow to Obamacare."

"This is the first election in America since the full impact of Obamacare has been felt," Rubio, R-Fla., said. "This is the first chance that people in America have to speak clearly at the ballot box about the impact this law is having on their lives and our economy."

 

[ginwilly]

My guess is because you are not listening Cheesus. Obamacare was unpopular even before the web site fiasco. The law is still more damaging than good, even with the site functioning almost as well as most high school projects.

Could be that I get to hear about it every day at work from patients who say "if I can't afford premiums, how the hell do I afford a 6k deductible?". People are suffering from sticker shock over that one.

In defense, He promised access to healthcare, He never said anything about if you can afford the deductibles.

 

[UncleBuck]

My guess is because you are not listening Cheesus. Obamacare was unpopular even before the web site fiasco. The law is still more damaging than good, even with the site functioning almost as well as most high school projects.

Could be that I get to hear about it every day at work from patients who say "if I can't afford premiums, how the hell do I afford a 6k deductible?". People are suffering from sticker shock over that one.

In defense, He promised access to healthcare, He never said anything about if you can afford the deductibles.

you always talk a lot and have absolutely nothing to say.

 

[Harrekin]

you always talk a lot and have absolutely nothing to say.

He makes a fair point, if a patient cant afford premiums in the first place, how can they afford to pay a deductible (which I believe is what we call an "excess") that is many times the original premiums (which they couldn't afford) when they get sick...?

Call me a socialist, but why not have a public and private system to run in parallel?

I guarantee the money Obama has used since 2008 on warfare could've built hundreds of hospitals and paid for thousands of staff specifically for those people Obamacare claims to help.

 

[UncleBuck]

Hwhy not have a public and private system to run in parallel?

because the righties feared competition from a public option. most of them won't even expand medicare to the poor or even set up a website where competition can occur between private entities.

republicans are cool like that. they hate competition.

 

[Harrekin]

because the righties feared competition from a public option. most of them won't even expand medicare to the poor or even set up a website where competition can occur between private entities.

republicans are cool like that. they hate competition.

Why cover the poor?

Cover everyone.

Do Americans not realise that investing public money in education and healthcare yields far larger returns than it costs?

Whos gonna pay more back into the system over the course of their lifetime?

Little $15k a year Ronald Mc Donald or a 250k a year Cardiologist?

 

[ChesusRice]

Why cover the poor?

Cover everyone.

Do Americans not realise that investing public money in education and healthcare yields far larger returns than it costs?

Whos gonna pay more back into the system over the course of their lifetime?

Little $15k a year Ronald Mc Donald or a 250k a year Cardiologist?

Obamacare is the best we could do with the Republicans in the house. Yeah most of us who support obamacare want the single payer public option

 

[see4]

Why cover the poor?

Cover everyone.

Do Americans not realise that investing public money in education and healthcare yields far larger returns than it costs?

Whos gonna pay more back into the system over the course of their lifetime?

Little $15k a year Ronald Mc Donald or a 250k a year Cardiologist?

The original draft of Obamacare included single payer public option. Everyone would be entitled to the "socialist" pool, but had the option to buy whatever they wanted. That was kicked in the balls by the Republicans. What you see today, is a Republican plan, that now the Republican's hate. Because a black man implemented it.

 

[beenthere]

The original draft of Obamacare included single payer public option. Everyone would be entitled to the "socialist" pool, but had the option to buy whatever they wanted. That was kicked in the balls by the Republicans. What you see today, is a Republican plan, that now the Republican's hate. Because a black man implemented it.

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And the only reason conservatives and moderates killed Hillarycare was because a woman planned it, right? How disingenuous and pathetic.

 

[ginwilly]

Obamacare is the best we could do with the Republicans in the house. Yeah most of us who support obamacare want the single payer public option

Cheesus, I'm going to have to call you out on this one. What you passed with without any republican votes. A public option would have passed without any republican support. If you recall correctly, you had a group of Dems that were fighting tooth and nail that abortions would not be paid for with public funds. Bart Stupak had to be bought off with kickbacks and promises of an executive order later. Some of your rock starts even left office voluntarily because they were sick how your party pushed through a bill. Nobody on your side really even knew what was in it, they were just going by what they were told was in it.

I remember the most telling part during the televised debates when Paul Ryan was asking Obama a specific provision in the bill. He opened the bill and read what he was asking about. Instead of answering, Obama went off and said (paraphrasing) what is that? why did you bring a prop, this is too important to play politics and you bring a prop. Ryan ignored the dig and went on to ask again and still received no answer.

I commended Ryan for his class at the time. I remember thinking, no you dumbass, this is not a prop, it's the friggen bill you are trying to pass.

I'd like to hear your theories how the bill would have been different if it weren't for republicans. What we have was 100% party line. With 100% party line, THAT party owns it.

 

[ginwilly]

The original draft of Obamacare included single payer public option. Everyone would be entitled to the "socialist" pool, but had the option to buy whatever they wanted. That was kicked in the balls by the Republicans. What you see today, is a Republican plan, that now the Republican's hate. Because a black man implemented it.

You didn't have the democratic support for a single payer or it would have happened. You controlled the holy trinity when that bill was passed. No matter what you passed, it was done exclusively by dems. So what we have or don't have is entirely due to one side of the aisle.

 

[see4]

You didn't have the democratic support for a single payer or it would have happened. You controlled the holy trinity when that bill was passed. No matter what you passed, it was done exclusively by dems. So what we have or don't have is entirely due to one side of the aisle.

No. The bill was passed in the House in 2009. Then took the form of Public Option Act and was shot down in the Senate Finance Committee. Nine Republican members of the committee cast "Nay" votes, essentially defeating the bill as it was. And therefore was never included in the Senate bill, and what we currently see was passed in its place. But not with a close majority Republican descent, even though it was a Republican idea.

 

[beenthere]

Obama was against single payer.

 

[see4]

Obama was against single payer.

Can you please provide evidence to this statement Finthere? And can I bang your sister?

 

[ginwilly]

No. The bill was passed in the House in 2009. Then took the form of Public Option Act and was shot down in the Senate Finance Committee. Nine Republican members of the committee cast "Nay" votes, essentially defeating the bill as it was. And therefore was never included in the Senate bill, and what we currently see was passed in its place. But not with a close majority Republican descent, even though it was a Republican idea.

The entire bill was shot down by committee yet still passed. You received ZERO republican support for the healthcare monster.

I'm not excusing the pubs, for the alternatives they offered by the likes of McCain were almost as bad, just smaller. The conservative principles would have been to encourage states to figure the best way for each particular state. I would have much preferred several ideas to choose from. And the bad ideas could be scrapped and the good ideas copied. Instead, we are stuck with a one size fits all solution that fits only a very small percentage.

 

[canndo]

Nice to know Obama was able to fool you two elections in a row!

But he didn't fool you guys Oh no, you are all too smart and would have put old man Mccain in there, or Mr personality, the man with the plan Romney. Yeah, you guys weren't fooled at all.

 

[NLXSK1]

Obama was against single payer.

Obama is on tape saying he wants universal health care.

So which time was he lying??


It was a trick question...

The answer is ... All the time...

 

[ginwilly]

But he didn't fool you guys Oh no, you are all too smart and would have put old man Mccain in there, or Mr personality, the man with the plan Romney. Yeah, you guys weren't fooled at all.

And there we have my issue with the two party system. When choosing between a shit sandwich and turd soup, we go by whichever personality we like better. Most people don't even know the policy stances of the man.

I watched a clip from the Tonight Show during the 08' election. They would ask who they supported, then they would switch who said what. If an Obama supporter was asked the question presented in such a way that McCain's ideas were Obama's, they were in favor, if they presented them with Obama's ideas as McCain's they were against them. This was true for both sides.

We pick our doctor's based on bedside manner instead of results, we pick our car salesman based on whether we like them or not and convince ourselves the guy we liked gave us a great deal. We vote on our representatives in the same manner.

 

[redeyedfrog]

Let's not go down the multiculturalism road, rather than bring us together it points out our differences.
This diversity crap has actually had the opposite effect in Australia.
It creats a us and them scenario and for lack of a better term it creats a ghetto mentality.

 

[Harrekin]

And there we have my issue with the two party system. When choosing between a shit sandwich and turd soup, we go by whichever personality we like better. Most people don't even know the policy stances of the man.

I watched a clip from the Tonight Show during the 08' election. They would ask who they supported, then they would switch who said what. If an Obama supporter was asked the question presented in such a way that McCain's ideas were Obama's, they were in favor, if they presented them with Obama's ideas as McCain's they were against them. This was true for both sides.

We pick our doctor's based on bedside manner instead of results, we pick our car salesman based on whether we like them or not and convince ourselves the guy we liked gave us a great deal. We vote on our representatives in the same manner.

Personality politics.

Thank fuck none of our politicians are even vaguely likable...