Marijuana wins big on election night

What do you think about all this legalization?

  • Trump won't let it happen

    Votes: 5 21.7%
  • Good for us!

    Votes: 9 39.1%
  • Bad for us...

    Votes: 1 4.3%
  • Is Pinny back yet?

    Votes: 6 26.1%
  • Has anyone seen Buck? I'm getting a little worried...

    Votes: 2 8.7%

  • Total voters
    23

curious2garden

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It's business as usual, though every time you visit a dispensary they are having inventory probs (not too bad) and the Fed. keeps threatening to shut them down. It just goes back and fourth in the courts.
The feds have been showing up and shutting down dispensaries out here for quite some time now. Plus we have issues with zoning which is a conservative political constructive end run around the will of the people (typical). Although far more restrictive this new legislation will, hopefully, get the feds and local officious intermeddlers off our backs until the feds get the nod from Monsanto or whoever that they are waiting to hear from that they are ready to supply the masses.
 

curious2garden

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If the Fed wants some of the money, they'd have to take it off schedule 1 status, right? Are the dispensaries not selling while this is in limbo, or is it business as usual for now in WA?
You still have to pay Federal Income tax even on illegal activity. That minor oversight was what took down quite a few Italian American entrepreneurs back in the day.
 

Singlemalt

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My understanding is that Med and Rec are separate in Cali. Is that not accurate? Med users and growers have a different standard than Rec users who have no recommendations to cover more than one ounce.
But now there is money to the state involved. Remember, Calif just went rec last night. Prior it was quite easy to get a med card and plants that could be grown were double than that allowed for rec now (12 vs 6). It cost around $70-80 to get a med card and then a $60 yearly renewal; dunno what it will cost now, but the restrictions & fees on growers will be much higher. Plus, there will be tight controls on growers in all aspects. The State general fund will swell
 

tyler.durden

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You still have to pay Federal Income tax even on illegal activity. That minor oversight was what took down quite a few Italian American entrepreneurs back in the day.
Ah, I was under the impression that they got Capone and his ilk for not paying taxes on their 'legally' earned income. If us drug dealers could list our income to pay Fed tax without fear of reprisal, I bet a lot would do so. "I see here Mr. Durden that you are a very successful paid assassin. We don't condone murder, but thank you for your honesty, and yes, we'll take our cut. Carry on..."
 

curious2garden

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Staff member
Forgot, the State now is going to crack down on Drs. giving out med reccs.
What I've noticed is a lot of misunderstanding regarding the definition of "Attending Physician". Essentially there will be a crack down on shill shops. Where 1 doctor would just rubber stamp many applications. If you have a physician who only does cannabis recommendations but spends time doing a reasonable records review and patient assessment there shouldn't be a problem, further sanctions are all peer reviewed so it will have to go through the Medical Board.

I'm actually somewhat optimistic and usually I'm the one that thinks the light at the end of the tunnel is the oncoming train.
 

curious2garden

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Staff member
Ah, I was under the impression that they got Capone and his ilk for not paying taxes on their 'legally' earned income. If us drug dealers could list our income to pay Fed tax without fear of reprisal, I bet a lot would do so. "I see here Mr. Durden that you are a very successful assassin. We don't condone murder, but thank you for your honesty, and yes, we'll take our cut. Carry on..."
Sort of makes one wonder about that right to not self-incriminate..... but yes it's on the Federal Tax forms, or at least on mine. Possibly the feds know something about me and send me 'special' forms designed to give me nightmares, thanks Obama!

^^^^ that's all hyperbole, you don't have to reveal the source of the income, simply the income and pay up. They aren't responsible for all the SWAT vehicles on your doorstep the next month.
 

twostrokenut

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But now there is money to the state involved. Remember, Calif just went rec last night. Prior it was quite easy to get a med card and plants that could be grown were double than that allowed for rec now (12 vs 6). It cost around $70-80 to get a med card and then a $60 yearly renewal; dunno what it will cost now, but the restrictions & fees on growers will be much higher. Plus, there will be tight controls on growers in all aspects. The State general fund will swell
I'm digesting what c2g posted. Only on page 3 and "consolidate and streamline regulation and taxation for both nonmedical and medical marijuana."

Reminds me of the exact mission statement of the tobacco taxes, save the children,save the environment and establish dependency help programs; then suck up the money for anything other than.
 

Singlemalt

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I'm digesting what c2g posted. Only on page 3 and "consolidate and streamline regulation and taxation for both nonmedical and medical marijuana."

Reminds me of the exact mission statement of the tobacco taxes, save the children,save the environment and establish dependency help programs; then suck up the money for anything other than.
You are on the right track to enlightenment, carry on :)
 

Singlemalt

Well-Known Member
Ah, I was under the impression that they got Capone and his ilk for not paying taxes on their 'legally' earned income. If us drug dealers could list our income to pay Fed tax without fear of reprisal, I bet a lot would do so. "I see here Mr. Durden that you are a very successful paid assassin. We don't condone murder, but thank you for your honesty, and yes, we'll take our cut. Carry on..."
A couple months after Colorado went legal, there was a long TV newscast (60 Minutes ?) about the problems legit growers/stores were having about their taxes; really rather, the problems they were/might have about paying them. The Fed taxes are( or were) in the 90% range. These guys actually wanted to comply but it was so tortuous and fucked up that many were paralyzed.
 

twostrokenut

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I don't have a dog in the fight :). I'll do what I wish to do. In actuality, the new law does benefit me to the degree where low flying planes won't fret me anymore; but thats about it. I don't sell, so state can mind it's own business. That's as far as my social contract goes
Kind of what I was thinking.

I do what I do. Legal or not.
I feel like you're both Lawful though, not hurting anyone. Kudos.
 

Singlemalt

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Kind of what I was thinking.

I do what I do. Legal or not.
As far as I'm concerned the State has no jurisdiction on "victimless crimes" or even the right to dictate that kind of stuff. Especially when one considers a lot of those are relatively "new" crimes (moonshining, growing cannabis, seeing hookers, etc). I obey the majority of laws, pay taxes, don't hurt anyone (except Mainliner), etc. But then I'm old and old school. Get off my lawn lol
 

whitebb2727

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As far as I'm concerned the State has no jurisdiction on "victimless crimes" or even the right to dictate that kind of stuff. Especially when one considers a lot of those are relatively "new" crimes (moonshining, growing cannabis, seeing hookers, etc). I obey the majority of laws, pay taxes, don't hurt anyone (except Mainliner), etc. But then I'm old and old school. Get off my lawn lol
I agree 100 percent.
 
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