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[indicat33]

Hi all,
I'm relatively new to breeding, and have some feminized "Speed Haze" (SSH x J.Herer) girls going.
Can I pollinate these females with my Bubba Kush male which came from a "regular" BK male plant?
Will the resulting seeds be "standard" ( Male/Female) ? Can this even be done, or do I need a "non-feminized"
female to start with? Thanks in advance for dropping knowledge _~

 

[Oldow]

the seeds will be completelly regular, some breeders feel though, that working with feminized is not optimal. I have not heard a reason why. I recomend this: https://www.rollitup.org/breeders-paradise/781405-subcool-mzjil-ken-estes-lawrence.html
I think that all of them somehow agree, that feminized is not what they would work with, but no one says why, if I remember corectly.

 

[scoobydube]

probly because there is more of a chance of hermaphrodites working with feminized

 

[Oldow]

why do you think so, scoobydude?

 

[bf80255]

Higher chance of hermies because the process of inducing a female to go mlae with cs or tiresias mist in itself is selecting for plants that have the ability to hermie, not all plants can be turned male.
So basically your stress testing for hermies then selecting them and if thats your s1 then youd have to stress them out for a few generations to get out all the hermie genes if. They are in there. Idk tho this is just what ive read and never actually bred with feminized past the f1 myself, hope this helps.

 

[scoobydube]

because they use unnatural chemical hormones to produce feminized so there is more chance of them getting confused and herming because of the unnatural hormonal change's.....basicaly women are hormonal as it is and if you fuck with them they'll grow a dick and ballz and slap u in the face with it

 

[tusseltussel]

It is not the Hermie trait it is the weakening of the genetic line... Evolution sucks. if there its any problems the risk of introducing those traits to a pure line could be bad. That being said I've grown fems, I've made fems, I wouldn't ley those genes out into the wild though

 

[Oldow]

@blf: again and again I have read, that the proper way to feminize is first to stress the shit out of your girls by erratic light periods for so long, that any possible hermies will show up and use the rest, the "true females" for feminization. Also this is the first time I heard that for sex reverse you need hermi leaning plant.

@scoobydude: Artificial things are our nature, as a species. The world we live in is artificial, all of it. If the problem was what is naturall, nobody would surelly grow under artificial lights the way people do. The argument crops up only when something new and not well understood is tried. Saying something is bad, because it is unnaturall is basically saying, that it is bad, because we do not really understand it. You just cannot assume, that something is unsafe, because not fully understood, or otherwise. As anywhere, the judge is direct experience. In the meantime, sry, but I learned to hate this natural / unnatural explanation, because it makes people feel they understand something, while I do not feel they do.

 

[Oldow]

@tusseltussel
Sry, english is not my first language, I do not really understand.

What exactly could damage your pure line (what is that) if you introduced what to what in which way?

 

[homebrewer]

Higher chance of hermies because the process of inducing a female to go mlae with cs or tiresias mist in itself is selecting for plants that have the ability to hermie, not all plants can be turned male.
So basically your stress testing for hermies then selecting them and if thats your s1 then youd have to stress them out for a few generations to get out all the hermie genes if. They are in there. Idk tho this is just what ive read and never actually bred with feminized past the f1 myself, hope this helps.

Breeding with plants that naturally 'hermie' will likely produce progeny that can hermie too. Selfing is NOT the same thing and will not produce hermies unless the plant that was selfed carries that trait.

 

[tusseltussel]

@tusseltussel
Sry, english is not my first language, I do not really understand.

What exactly could damage your pure line (what is that) if you introduced what to what in which way?

Introducing the feminized genes into the main stream. With fem seed you either get a female plant or a feminized male. What are the consequences of breeding with a feminized male? The Hermie trait thing is a myth. The plant is not a Hermie it is tricked into producing male flowers

 

[scoobydube]

i never claimed to kno 100% only that this is why i think but thank you for you input oldow

 

[scoobydube]

only problem i have ever had with feminized seeds is my plants popping couple nanner's and pollinating themselves.

 

[tusseltussel]

only problem i have ever had with feminized seeds is my plants popping couple nanner's and pollinating themselves.

that happens with reg seed too

 

[homebrewer]

Introducing the feminized genes into the main stream. With fem seed you either get a female plant or a feminized male. What are the consequences of breeding with a feminized male? The Hermie trait thing is a myth. The plant is not a Hermie it is tricked into producing male flowers

Are you implying that selfing changes the genes in the plant?

 

[tusseltussel]

Are you implying that selfing changes the genes in the plant?

well first "Selfing" is not all of feminizing and you should not refer to all of feminized seed production as selfing, most breeders are not selfing plants

What are the consequences of breeding with a feminized male? What I am implying is that we don't know yet and should be protecting the lineage of common breeds. Have you ever seen a strain loose vigor after extensive breeding? I have. the same could happen to fems over time couldn't it? using a feminized male forcing it to produce male flowers and pollenating other plants with it might come back to bite you later. I have no problem with fem seeds but I wouldn't want to mix them into the general population. I wouldn't take it any further than 2 generations in

 

[homebrewer]

well first "Selfing" is not all of feminizing and you should not refer to all of feminized seed production as selfing, most breeders are not selfing plants

Then in regards to feminizing, are you referring to the 'stress a female' technique or Soma's 'flower a plant out waaaay longer than normal' technique in effort to produce male flowers?

What are the consequences of breeding with a feminized male? What I am implying is that we don't know yet and should be protecting the lineage of common breeds. Have you ever seen a strain loose vigor after extensive breeding? I have. the same could happen to fems over time couldn't it? using a feminized male forcing it to produce male flowers and pollenating other plants with it might come back to bite you later. I have no problem with fem seeds but I wouldn't want to mix them into the general population. I wouldn't take it any further than 2 generations in

Whether male flowers are naturally or chemically induced, you're not changing the DNA of the female plant.

EDIT: I just reread what you wrote and I'm confused by the line I underlined. What is a feminized male and why would you have to 'force it to produce male flowers'.

 

[scoobydube]

ya it does ive just seen it more in a feminized seed....no hateing on feminized seeds you can get good plants out of them

 

[tusseltussel]

Then in regards to feminizing, are you referring to the 'stress a female' technique or Soma's 'flower a plant out waaaay longer than normal' technique in effort to produce male flowers?



Whether male flowers are naturally or chemically induced, you're not changing the DNA of the female plant.

EDIT: I just reread what you wrote and I'm confused by the line I underlined. What is a feminized male and why would you have to 'force it to produce male flowers'.

with feminized seed you either get a female plant or a feminized male. Then if you take that and induce male flowers to pollinate another female or selfie. How many tomes can you do that until you end up with garbage? Flowering a plant way longer to get nanners is stress.

 

[homebrewer]

with feminized seed you either get a female plant or a feminized male. Then if you take that and induce male flowers to pollinate another female or selfie. How many tomes can you do that until you end up with garbage? Flowering a plant way longer to get nanners is stress.

Can you clarify what you mean by 'feminized male'? 'Feminized seeds' can produce male plants on occasion but it doesn't sound like you're talking about that. It sounds like you're talking about a 'male' plant that is displaying the characteristics of a female plant because said plant is not a true male?