Administration Fears Obamacare So Flawed, It Could Bankrupt Insurance Companies

GOD HERE

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That's the margin of error not the confidence interval. BigBush once again shows his lack of understanding by putting it in the wrong context. The confidence interval will only predict with the specified margin of certainty the result of the data you plug in. Most studies would use a 95%-99% confidence interval.
 

UncleBuck

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I don't think anyone here is going to believe for one second that you took multiple statistics courses, much less went to college.

The answer to that question is no. There are discernible differences depending on the subject, but you can still get a surprisingly accurate sample with only 31 responses, which is the minimum the basic equations are based on to predict an accurate estimate.
i don't believe he went to college anymore after that either. before that, i just figured his parents paid his way through college until he got hooked on dope and started stealing from them.
 

beenthere

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That's the margin of error not the confidence interval. BigBush once again shows his lack of understanding by putting it in the wrong context. The confidence interval will only predict with the specified margin of certainty the result of the data you plug in. Most studies would use a 95%-99% confidence interval.
i don't believe he went to college anymore after that either. before that, i just figured his parents paid his way through college until he got hooked on dope and started stealing from them.
You two aren't trying to avoid the fact that Obamacare may be facing a death spiral, are you?

I'd like to get your thoughts on who's going to pay for all $millions in healthcare bills that are accumulating will we speak, clearly there's not enough revenue in the federal exchange to cover them.
 

canndo

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Well, I don't buy yours or any other lefties garbage that Fox News isn't reliable news meme.
I've asked you multiple times to post a couple of your news sources and you ran away from the challenge, you worried?

Be that as it may, it was HHS that made the statement, not Fox news.
I posted my sources, and have posted studies indicating that fox "news" consumers are consistantly the poorest informed. Of course you don't buy that story because fox is one of your major sources, that is plain. And it seems to perpetually place you at a disadvantage here
 

see4

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I posted my sources, and have posted studies indicating that fox "news" consumers are consistantly the poorest informed. Of course you don't buy that story because fox is one of your major sources, that is plain. And it seems to perpetually place you at a disadvantage here
Essentially, you are saying, "Finthere, done that."
 

beenthere

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I posted my sources, and have posted studies indicating that fox "news" consumers are consistantly the poorest informed. Of course you don't buy that story because fox is one of your major sources, that is plain. And it seems to perpetually place you at a disadvantage here
The so called studies you posted where from UMD (a bunch of liberal college students) that's like me citing information from the Heritage foundation or the CATO institute, would you have any problems with those sources?

And I can't recall you posting any of your news sources, care to post up a couple, it will only take you a few seconds.

FYI, Bucky, see4 and Cheezy are avoiding this little challenge like the plague.
 

Antidisestablishmentarian

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Nobody wants to talk about the problem but the op.

Its real. Here's the document released by hhs.

https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=0f3df4e32f0c17dbf3dbe289eb99dbb9

CMS must immediately award a contract for these services under the auspices of the aforementioned exception to full and open competition because there is limited time to build this functionality and failure to deliver the functionality above by mid-March 2014 will result in financial harm to the Government. If this functionality is not complete by mid- March 2014, the Government could make erroneous payments to providers and insurers. Additionally, without a Financial Management platform that accounts for enrollments and associated program costs (i.e. Advance Premium Tax Credits (APTC), Cost Sharing Reductions (CSR), payments to insurance plans, etc.), that integrates with the existing CMS Accounting platform (HIGLAS), the entire healthcare reform program is jeopardized by significantly increasing the following risks:
• Creating erroneous estimates of budgeted and projected payments associated with operating the FFM;
• Inaccurate issuance of payments to health plans which could seriously put them at financial risk; potentially leading to their default and disrupting continued services and coverage to consumers;
• Inaccurate forecasting of Risk Adjustment, Reinsurance, and Risk Corridor; potentially putting the entire health insurance industry at risk; and
• Failing to support the end of the year reconciliation with IRS; leading to greater program costs for workarounds.
 

canndo

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The so called studies you posted where from UMD (a bunch of liberal college students) that's like me citing information from the Heritage foundation or the CATO institute, would you have any problems with those sources?

And I can't recall you posting any of your news sources, care to post up a couple, it will only take you a few seconds.

FYI, Bucky, see4 and Cheezy are avoiding this little challenge like the plague.

See, that is the biggest problem with talinking to you, i am forced to repeat myself over and over again. I said BBC, Chirstian Science Monitor, LA TImes, NY Times and The Journal.


Now, you seem to have a great problem with how you approach informing yourself. What you (and your associates) do is disqualify all information, even that which is taken from legitimate studies if you have already labeled the quoting source as "biased" - or in reality, "biased in such a way as to have me either at a loss or simply conflicting what I claim to be true - based upon MY Biased sources". This is not how legitimate and clear knowlege of the modern world around us is gotten.

You seem to believe that nothing that eminates from what you label a biased source could possibly be true (that is unless and until that formerly biased source says something you agree with - you did so recently actually).

I fear no bias in reporting - you use it as a bludgeon. I go the source and make my own judgements. You know what you know, for instance about the ACA only by what you read about it. You have not read it, you do not engage yourself in it, you simply parrot the source that you have already labeled as being akin to your belief and inheret it as truth as quickly as you are able to assimilate it. That is not the way to become a knowlegeable person, it is only a way to bolser that same bias you claim is so horrible - only this time, within yourself.

Now I have asked you many times, what you would accept as legitimate sources, being somewhat willing to use those for the most part to demonstrate my cases. You have yet to respond.
 

NLXSK1

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- During a segment on the Fox News late night program Red Eye, Fox News Contributor Dana Perino
made the false claim that ABC’s Diane Sawyer had asked Gov. Mitt Romney about putting his dog Seamus
on the roof of his car. “That was her first question,” Perino claimed. “Not how are you going to
create jobs? What is going wrong? How will you turn things around? It was why did you let your dog
ride on the roof of the car,” she asked breathlessly. Such a claim against a member of the supposed
“liberal media,” would continue to advance the notion that news outlets other than Fox News aren’t
appropriately taking Romney seriously.
Have you ever watched red eye?

Do you know why it is called red eye?

The show is not news...
 

beenthere

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See, that is the biggest problem with talinking to you, i am forced to repeat myself over and over again. I said BBC, Chirstian Science Monitor, LA TImes, NY Times and The Journal.


Now, you seem to have a great problem with how you approach informing yourself. What you (and your associates) do is disqualify all information, even that which is taken from legitimate studies if you have already labeled the quoting source as "biased" - or in reality, "biased in such a way as to have me either at a loss or simply conflicting what I claim to be true - based upon MY Biased sources". This is not how legitimate and clear knowlege of the modern world around us is gotten.

You seem to believe that nothing that eminates from what you label a biased source could possibly be true (that is unless and until that formerly biased source says something you agree with - you did so recently actually).

I fear no bias in reporting - you use it as a bludgeon. I go the source and make my own judgements. You know what you know, for instance about the ACA only by what you read about it. You have not read it, you do not engage yourself in it, you simply parrot the source that you have already labeled as being akin to your belief and inheret it as truth as quickly as you are able to assimilate it. That is not the way to become a knowlegeable person, it is only a way to bolser that same bias you claim is so horrible - only this time, within yourself.

Now I have asked you many times, what you would accept as legitimate sources, being somewhat willing to use those for the most part to demonstrate my cases. You have yet to respond.
Canndo, you must think I keep notes on you or something, expecting me to remember news sources you posted god knows how long ago, is beyond unreasonable.

You fear no bias in reporting eh, and it is only I who uses it as bludgeon?

I'll post your last quote below, perhaps you're blind to you own hypocrisy.

I posted my sources, and have posted studies indicating that fox "news" consumers are consistantly the poorest informed. Of course you don't buy that story because fox is one of your major sources, that is plain. And it seems to perpetually place you at a disadvantage here
 

beenthere

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Have you ever watched red eye?

Do you know why it is called red eye?

The show is not news...
Cheezy is the poster child for simpletons.
If the show is on the Fox News channel, it's news.
If a liberal newspaper has a website called, politifact, then all their information about politics, are facts.
 

canndo

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Canndo, you must think I keep notes on you or something, expecting me to remember news sources you posted god knows how long ago, is beyond unreasonable.

You fear no bias in reporting eh, and it is only I who uses it as bludgeon?

I'll post your last quote below, perhaps you're blind to you own hypocrisy.

I posted them yesterday on another thread Beenthere. Yesterday.


And note what I said, that FOX listeners are least knowlegeable. THis is not anywhere near what I accused you of.
 

canndo

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Cheezy is the poster child for simpletons.
If the show is on the Fox News channel, it's news.
If a liberal newspaper has a website called, politifact, then all their information about politics, are facts.

I see you fail to understand the dynamic of pundit/news/opinion/fact/study/poll.

As I said, you (and most) rarely if ever go to the source in order to glean what is being commented upon in opinion pieces. Hence, everyone believes that there are death panels in the ACA - why? because FOX (among others), made it up and then presented it as a given. That becomes news by virtue of repetition and others failure to seek the truth. Fox supporters use that same dodge over and over again (but it is an opinion show). Yet they base their opinions on supposed facts and people feel that they are informed not through the news stories but through the opinions of others that they have already vetted in their own minds as "truthful".

This is how so many come to incorporate bits and pieces of "facts" or "history" that are not true. Do not hide behing the "but it is opinion", because if the opiners lie about their sources, then there is no difference between hard news and opinion in the monolithic sense of FOX. It does call itself "FOX NEWS" and not "FOX OPINION"
 

canndo

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I will ask you again Beenthere - what news sources do you deem acceptable for us to use between us?
 

beenthere

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I posted them yesterday on another thread Beenthere. Yesterday.

And note what I said, that FOX listeners are least knowlegeable. THis is not anywhere near what I accused you of.
I posted my sources, and have posted studies indicating that fox "news" consumers are consistantly the poorest informed. Of course you don't buy that story because fox is one of your major sources, that is plain. And it seems to perpetually place you at a disadvantage here
You're full of crap canndo and if you're going to continue your dishonesty, I'll not respond to your post any longer.
 

canndo

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You're full of crap canndo and if you're going to continue your dishonesty, I'll not respond to your post any longer.

It is often said of liberals, that when they are cornered and perhaps not even then, they revert to name calling and finally a refusal to "play along" in any debate. I have not called you names, I have continued to answer your posts and I treat you with at least a modicum of respect.

I am neither "full of crap" nor a liar, should you refuse to respond then I am sorry you are unable to continue in a reasonable fashion.
 

beenthere

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I see you fail to understand the dynamic of pundit/news/opinion/fact/study/poll.

As I said, you (and most) rarely if ever go to the source in order to glean what is being commented upon in opinion pieces. Hence, everyone believes that there are death panels in the ACA - why? because FOX (among others), made it up and then presented it as a given. That becomes news by virtue of repetition and others failure to seek the truth. Fox supporters use that same dodge over and over again (but it is an opinion show). Yet they base their opinions on supposed facts and people feel that they are informed not through the news stories but through the opinions of others that they have already vetted in their own minds as "truthful".

This is how so many come to incorporate bits and pieces of "facts" or "history" that are not true. Do not hide behing the "but it is opinion", because if the opiners lie about their sources, then there is no difference between hard news and opinion in the monolithic sense of FOX. It does call itself "FOX NEWS" and not "FOX OPINION"
canndo, I'm really tired of your all over the place rants.
You accuse me of not understanding opinion news, while I point the fact out, using Cheezy as an example?

I believe I need a break from this crap.
 

schuylaar

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While the administration publicly expresses full confidence in its health care law, privately it fears one part of the system is so flawed it could bankrupt insurance companies and cripple ObamaCare itself.

To justify a no-bid contract with Accenture after firing CGI as the lead contractor, the administration released documents from the Department of Health and Human Services and the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services that offered a rare glimpse of its worst fears, saying the problems with the website puts "the entire health insurance industry at risk" ... "potentially leading to their default and disrupting continued services and coverage to consumers."

Then it went even further, saying if the problems were not fixed by mid-March, "they will result in financial harm to the government."
It even added that without the fixes "the entire health care reform program is jeopardized."



I honestly don't see how Obamacare will survive another year.
The employer mandate will kick in this fall and millions of previously insured Americans will have no choice but purchase government regulated health insurance or pass on insurance altogether, only to face a fine.

Then, shit will be hitting the fan in masses, right before the mid term elections.:clap:
citation, citation, citation required..
 
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