MMPR court date announcement and legal advice from John Conroy

VIANARCHRIS

Well-Known Member
Update-February 4th, 2014
NOTICE TO ALL MMAR LICENSE HOLDERS AS TO STATUS OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL CHALLENGE AND WHAT TO BETWEEN NOW AND MARCH 18TH, 2014 and BETWEEN THEN AND MARCH 31st, 2014 and THEREAFTER

I expect a decision from the Federal Court on the exemption/injunction application sometime between March 18th,when it will be heard and March 31st, 2014. Sorry but I cannot predict how long a Judge will take to decide the issue, especially when I do not even know who it is going to be, but even then it is always hard to say or predict.

It will be before March 31st, 2014 I can say that.

We are asking the court to compel Health Canada to process all Applications coming in, whether new or old, and any changes requested since September 30th,2013, and to exempt everyone who is 'medically approved' from the CDSA provisions pending trial where we will seek a permanent such exemption.

Everyone who is "medically approved" to use Cannabis has a right to reasonable access to it as medicine for their health. This right arises as a result of s.7 of the Charter.

The federal government, so long as it is exercising jurisdiction over cannabis using the criminal law power, must provide a viable exemption to the criminal law to 'medically approved patients'.

Legalization will substantially change this picture and open things up for the Provinces potentially. Vote for the Liberal Party of Canada's Justin Trudeau who is willing to "legalize". Remember it was his father Pierre and his then Justice Minister Jean Chretien who brought us the Charter without which we would have no argument. The NDP are still talking ³decriminalization² or want another study, and the Conservatives have no respect for the Canadian Constitution and want mandatory minimums and forfeiture. Vote against Harper whatever you do and get all your friends to do so and don't split the vote. If you are usually NDP, hold your nose this time and vote against Harper so we can finally get this thing done!!!

The MMAR despite its defects is/was a viable exemption as it enabled a safe continuous supply at reasonable cost to patients.

The MMPR is not, we say, a viable exemption because, as in the case of Terry Parker, it will cause those who cannot afford black market or licensed producer prices to have to choose between their liberty (being arrested and charged with production of marihuana after March 31st,2014) and their health( accessing the medicine that works for their health issue approved by their doctor and continuing after March 31st,2014).

This amounts to a violation of that patient's constitutional right, under s.7 of the Charter of Rights, to "liberty" and the "security of the person" and the right not to have those rights taken away or deprived except in accordance with "the principles of fundamental justice". That s.7 is engaged is clear from Parker and then last year was affirmed in Mernagh, again by the Ontario Court of Appeal, with leave to appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada having been refused.

In order to reasonably limit a s.7 Charter right the government bears the heavy burden of proving that the limit is, prescribed by law, and is reasonable and demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society under s.1 of the Charter. Here is where the fire, mold and public safety arguments come in to try and justify the changes. They will also come up at the injunction/exemption argument to try and oppose that application.

Any patient who continues to grow their own medicine because they cannot afford the black market, including dispensary/compassion club prices, nor licensed producer prices, and to control quality and continuous supply, and to avoid going back to prior debilitating drugs with massive side effects or simply because this works for your health better than anything else, should be prepared to do the following, if the court does not grant an exemption/injunction to you and you are visited by the police or other authorities:

1. Make sure you have, preferably the originals and certified copies of your "Authorization to Possess"(ATP) available to produce to the police if they attend, to show them that you are "medically approved". It might help to have a copy of that part of the application that was signed by the doctor setting out your "grams per day" and support and copies of at least a summary of your medical situation from your doctor or a copy of the last medical report that has a diagnosis and prognosis etc. WAIVE YOUR RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT AND TELL THEM YOUR MEDICAL STORY THAT HAS MEDICAL SUPPORT UNDER THE MMAR. Out of an abundance of caution you may want to get something in writing from your doctor that authorizes/approves your use under Narcotic Control regulation 53 so you are Oauthorized¹ under that regulation to possess.

2. Remember the offence under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act is to possess otherwise than as authorized or in accordance with the regulations so if they abolish the MMAR March 31st but you have a note under the NCR you are still legal to possess, in my opinion. Under the MMPR you have to register with an LP and it is the label of their product that determines legality of possession.

3. Be polite and co-operative, but assert that your constitutional rights are being violated by the failure, on the part of the government to provide a viable exemption from the criminal law available to you that includes one that is affordable at reasonable cost within the means of most patients or at least does not preclude patients from accessing at the best price they can and one in which that can exercise some control over what goes into the making of their medicine and its effective quality for them.

4. DO NOT PLEAD GUILTY to any offence. You are not committing one!! Your defense is that you are exercising your constitutional rights under s.7 of the Charter to the security of your person by making a decision of fundamental personal importance about your health to ensure a safe continuous supply of the medicine that works for your health because you cannot afford the only licensed suppliers and the only alternative would be to return to drugs that do not work at least as effectively and/or allow your health to be impaired.

5. Tell them your whole story and then be ready to back it up with documents etc. I think we will be surprised at how sympathetic most members of the public will be once they know the real stories and many police officers, Crown prosecutors and Judges are also sympathetic, in my experience.

6. The best thing that could happen between now and March 18th, 2014 is a barrage of heartbreaking stories all over the National, Provincial and local television and social media news. I have read the many impact statements sent to me and to the Coalition and would love to be able to make them public. Let me know if I can do so in your case if you sent me one. Others please contact you local, provincial and national media and tell them how this 'drug' has made a difference in you life and what the consequences will be to you if you cannot afford the new LP prices and cannot control the quality and quantity of your production and the effectiveness of the strains that have been working for you.

JOHN W. CONROY, Q.C.
Conroy & Company
Barristers & Solicitors
2459 Pauline Street,
Abbotsford, B.C.
V2S 3S1
Tel: 604-852-5110
Fax: 604-859-3361
 

spider9

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as I said a few days ago I will not send my pink slip to a LP we may need it later to keep our butts out of jail. but I am willing to go to jail rather than give in to this unconstitional law. I will never give in and go back to the morphine demeral and percasets no way ever even if faced with the death penalty I will not give in as these chemical drugs are a death penalty. thank you John and all your staff for taking on this fight for us.
 

WHATFG

Well-Known Member
Thank you so much. I've been wondering what I should do if and when....so it's going to come right down to the 11th hour eh? crazy times!!
 

leaffan

Well-Known Member
Thank you for posting this.
Good to have some legal instruction from John.
I strongly suggest to hold onto your pink slip. If you have to get product from an LP, get your doctor to sign a new "LP sign up document".
Lastly, lets try and do what John says and get some positive media attention to cover some very sympathetic patient plights.
 

Manofculture

Active Member
Thank you for the update. No judge in their right mind would ever limit Simone's access to their own medicine. I feel very positive about the decision.
 

VIANARCHRIS

Well-Known Member
I had a dream we had 1 year extension on the mmar , thank for the update bud
A 1 year extension on the mmar is a start and what I expect is going to happen. The judge will say it is unconstitutional and give HC one year to make changes to fix it. The question is going to be how they do that. I think their only options are bringing cannabis in line with other medications so it's covered by existing drug plans and welfare or allow the patient to grow their own. The first option is a non-starter as the provinces and insurance companies will fight it so I expect the status quo will remain in effect at least for current patients. The Harper government is in self-destruct mode now, soon to be replaced with one more in tune with the 21st century. I'm hoping for full legalization by 2016!
 

ThirstyRoss

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Vote for the Liberal Party of Canada's Justin Trudeau who is willing to "legalize".
I'm not saying we should vote for the conservatives, but, don't believe this ridiculous nonsense.

Justin Trudeau can say whatever he wants (reminder: Obama said he would legalize!), but the fact is the Single Convention Treaty on Narcotic Drugs still applies today and Canada simply cannot legalize marijuana while that is in place. If you think that's going to change by swapping out Harper for someone else I think you will be disappointed.

The best thing people can do now, is grow their shit regardless of what HC says. Do not support LP's!
 

eliminare

Member
I'm not saying we should vote for the conservatives, but, don't believe this ridiculous nonsense.

Justin Trudeau can say whatever he wants (reminder: Obama said he would legalize!), but the fact is the Single Convention Treaty on Narcotic Drugs still applies today and Canada simply cannot legalize marijuana while that is in place. If you think that's going to change by swapping out Harper for someone else I think you will be disappointed.

The best thing people can do now, is grow their shit regardless of what HC says. Do not support LP's!
I think people would be happy if it was just decriminalized. It would be a good start.
 

ThirstyRoss

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I think people would be happy if it was just decriminalized. It would be a good start.
It pretty well *is* decriminalized at this point...I don't even think twice about growing and smoking, wherever I am. I think some people are too paranoid, and think the po-po are out to get them for the most minor infractions...it's absurd.
 

VIANARCHRIS

Well-Known Member
I'm not, nor have I ever been a supporter or even a fan of any political party. I am going to vote Liberal this time mainly because of his stance on the marijuana issue. While some may say this isn't a solid reason to vote for a prime minister, I disagree. As a grown man, I take great offense at being told what plants I can grow or what I can consume. I consider it a major attack on my freedom to live life as I choose. the Conservatives have repeatedly said they have no intention at even having a discussion on ending prohibition and Stephen Harper actually said "not on my watch". Funny, it's like he thinks he king or something! Justin Trudeau, on the other hand, is intelligent enough to see the waste that is the war on cannabis. Whether or not he follows through waits to be seen, but my vote goes to the guy that understands the reality of cannabis use instead of the reefer madness proponents in the conservative party. Stephen Harper's watch is coming to an end. As for Canada being bound by a UN treaty, it's a non-issue. Canada is a sovereign nation and we can do what we want. We can back out of a treaty just as fast as the idiots who signed it got into it. We have many times before and we will again. I don't ever recall Obama promising to legalize, but if he did would the UN stop him? The whole decriminalize vs. legalize thing, to me, comes back to my freedom. If I can grow a tomato without government intervention, why not pot? Why should I get a fine for having a bag of weed when I can go to a government owned liquor store and buy enough alcohol to kill myself and it's legal?
 

ThirstyRoss

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Canada is a sovereign nation and we can do what we want.
You really have no idea how the world actually works, do you? Almost no country can just "do what it wants" anymore, they are all bound up in treaties and conventions that really restrict what they can do actually.

If I can grow a tomato without government intervention, why not pot? Why should I get a fine for having a bag of weed when I can go to a government owned liquor store and buy enough alcohol to kill myself and it's legal?
Are you really asking these absurd questions? Same reason we the general public can't grow tobacco, or opium poppies, or whatever. They are narcotics/controlled substances. I can't really understand how you can claim to be a "grown man" yet be so ridiculously naive as to the ways of the world.
 

mojoganjaman

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You really have no idea how the world actually works, do you? Almost no country can just "do what it wants" anymore, they are all bound up in treaties and conventions that really restrict what they can do actually.



Are you really asking these absurd questions? Same reason we the general public can't grow tobacco, or opium poppies, or whatever. They are narcotics/controlled substances. I can't really understand how you can claim to be a "grown man" yet be so ridiculously naive as to the ways of the world.
it is legal to grow tobacco...its illegal to sell it...it legal to grow magic mushrooms...its illegal to possess "dried" shrooms...talk about naive ...just tryin' to help...;))



mojo
 

VIANARCHRIS

Well-Known Member
You really have no idea how the world actually works, do you? Almost no country can just "do what it wants" anymore, they are all bound up in treaties and conventions that really restrict what they can do actually.



Are you really asking these absurd questions? Same reason we the general public can't grow tobacco, or opium poppies, or whatever. They are narcotics/controlled substances. I can't really understand how you can claim to be a "grown man" yet be so ridiculously naive as to the ways of the world.
Absurd laws demand absurd questions. The fact that a harmless plant is illegal is itself absurd. I can and do grow tobacco, legally, but opium poppies produce a deadly, highly addictive drug, so I'm not sure how you equate that with cannabis. I can also grow grapes and fruit or hops and barley and make alcohol, a drug that kills thousands of Canadians every year. The point I was making is that banning a plant that poses no risk to the public while much more dangerous substances are 'socially acceptable' is out dated thinking and an attack on my freedom. I will not sir back and let anyone tell me what I can or can't do. I live with the theory that I should be free do what I want so long as I am not negatively affecting others and I don't much care what the rest of the world thinks.
 

chinakush

Well-Known Member
it wasnt so long ago that the states were anal hard on marihuana, now its legal. big changes happening and thats what this world needs. im voting for the liberals because they SAY they want legalization and that is a huge change from where we are now i think thats what we really need atm
 

PunkyDorrie

Active Member
I'm not saying we should vote for the conservatives, but, don't believe this ridiculous nonsense.

Justin Trudeau can say whatever he wants (reminder: Obama said he would legalize!),
No, he didn't. In fact, he's repeatedly said he does not support legalization.

That said, Trudeau is not our friend.
 

Brian Savage

Well-Known Member
Actually yes he does support legalization of cannabis, he listened to reason and facts.
[video=youtube;IFFJ_paHu4Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFFJ_paHu4Q[/video]
 

Ganjalee

Active Member
Actually yes he does support legalization of cannabis, he listened to reason and facts.
[video=youtube;IFFJ_paHu4Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFFJ_paHu4Q[/video]
once the american's are cashing in, give us 5 more years and then we will too
 
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