What do you think of the free-for-all at the border?

[Dr Kynes]

oh, there's some of us Gringos that would pick fruit about now. beats asking folks, if they want that "super-sized," or saying, "welcome to Wal-Mart."

real work, for some of these Hipster pussies. "move your fuckin' ass, Kyle......them peaches ain't gonna pickemselves."

but it's a "Job" that only lasts for a few weeks, and for most of the people living in america, that "Job" is a very long way from where they live.

it is also not nearly as easy as you might believe, nor as simple.
farm labour is SKILLED labour, picking 2-300 bushels of tomatoes a day isnt like helping grandma in her garden.
you gotta move in concert with your amigos, sweep the field rapidly, but thoroughly, not damage the produce, box it in bushels, stack em properly so they can be collected and hustled to the truck that will take it to the packing house, then do it all over again the next day.

most americans dont have the skills or the motivation to do this job, and THEY DONT LIVE IN FARMING COMMUNITIES so even 1 week of harvesting requires either camping out in the field, or a daily commute that eats up all your pay.

would you commute 50 miles each way, every day for a job as a burger flipper? Fuck No.
would you commute 50 miles each way, every day for a job that lasts a week or two at most, busts your ass in the hot sun, and pays even less than burger flippin, unless you have it down cold, and do it every day for years? Fuck No.

Mexican Braseros are skilled workers, who do this job fast, and well, because it's their profession. they do it in the US because we pay them well (comparatively) for their labours, and our harvest is in a different season than the harvest in mexico.

many Braseros are farmers, with their own feilds in mexico, with their own crops to tend, after the harvest in the US is over. they just come here to get some cash when their own farms are not ready for harvest

many other braseros travel all over the continent harvesting crops, and getting paid, travelling from one farming community to another, following the harvests.
they do it to get money so they can buy a farm of their own (almost always IN MEXICO, Their Beloved Homeland)

some americans trravel abroad teaching english, or working as "Highly Educated Experts" (by local standards) to get money so they can... COME HOME with money to do whatever their dream may entail.

Note: Braseros are not illegal immigrants, they are (old phrase alert!) Itinerant Farm Hands, a profession that is now rare in industrialized nations, but used to be common as pig shit.
young men would follow the harvests, making cash to buy a farm of their own.

 

[UncleBuck]

If they stopped illegal immigration, who would pick fruit with you?

Kynes would be so ronerey.

dude, kynes can't pick fruit because he is a whiny brokedick who can;'t keep up with an illegal immigrant.

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

I deed the tomatoes, een Southz Jersies.........as a muchacho

a lotta fucking bugs. big hornworms smashed all over your gloves. I hadda good tan.

 

[ginwilly]

I deed the tomatoes, een Southz Jersies.........as a muchacho

a lotta fucking bugs. big hornworms smashed all over your gloves. I hadda good tan.

I did tomatoes for two weeks at fifteen years old and I couldn't keep up with the immigrants either, no shame in that. Shitty work for little pay but helped buy my honda 100

 

[Dr Kynes]

I did tomatoes for two weeks at fifteen years old and I couldn't keep up with the immigrants either, no shame in that. Shitty work for little pay but helped buy my honda 100

if it paid $5 a bushel you would have done alright for yourself, but at the usual rate ($0.05 a bushel when i worked the fields) you gotta be faster than a motherfucker to make it pay.

and the Braseros ARE faster than a motherfucker (and so was I) , cuz it's their profession. but it takes a toll on your body.

many Braseros bring their whole family out to the feild, kids, wives, grandparents ect, so even if some are slower, they all do well as a group. (and yes child labour laws make an exception for agricultural labour)
one guy may not bring down fat sacks pickin fruit, but 7 people workin together can make a surprising amount of dough each day

very few americans will take their kids out of school for months at a time to help them harvest crops (which is why we really have summer and spring breaks) and only the most despicable parent would keep them out of school entirely

but in mexico, it's different. you dont need tons of book learning to be a farmer (the goal of most Braseros) and rural schools systems in mexico are designed around the expectation that farm work will take most of the student's time during the peak seasons.

our schools have been whittling away the spring ans summer breaks for many decades, until now they are just a piece of what they once were.

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

if it paid $5 a bushel you would have done alright for yourself, but at the usual rate ($0.05 a bushel when i worked the fields) you gotta be faster than a motherfucker to make it pay.

and the Braseros ARE faster than a motherfucker (and so was I) , cuz it's their profession. but it takes a toll on your body.

many Braseros bring their whole family out to the feild, kids, wives, grandparents ect, so even if some are slower, they all do well as a group. (and yes child labour laws make an exception for agricultural labour)
one guy may not bring down fat sacks pickin fruit, but 7 people workin together can make a surprising amount of dough each day

very few americans will take their kids out of school for months at a time to help them harvest crops (which is why we really have summer and spring breaks) and only the most despicable parent would keep them out of school entirely

but in mexico, it's different. you dont need tons of book learning to be a farmer (the goal of most Braseros) and rural schools systems in mexico are designed around the expectation that farm work will take most of the student's time during the peak seasons.

our schools have been whittling away the spring ans summer breaks for many decades, until now they are just a piece of what they once were.

them Mexicans could work. old ladies picked more than me.....lol. I did it for one season. I was 14.

 

[Dr Kynes]

them Mexicans could work. old ladies picked more than me.....lol. I did it for one season. I was 14.

Abuelita is a professional.

dont feel bad.

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

Abuelita is a professional.

dont feel bad.

nothing but admiration.

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

terrible visual.....I know, but no commercial

 

[Dr Kynes]

terrible visual.....I know, but no commercial

maybe something like this:

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

maybe something like this:

I must have her......

 

[Harrekin]

I must have her......

In Mother Russia, she have you...

 

[oldtimer54]

All name calling and chest pounding aside.......if I lived across the border and was a law abiding citizen my ass would want out.. put yourself in their place just get on the internet and type in Mexican drug cartel murders those mofo's don't play and they don't care about collateral damage............my question would be for all the thousands of people that have came across illegally do they cross by themselves or do they pay a coyote to get them across from what I've read it costs thousands of dollars for an individual to cross with the help of a coyote
Seems to me they could use that money to get into the country legally and how difficult is it to come into this country if you're not a citizen and wish to become one
I'm not a native american so my descendants were immigrants... if our southern neighbors came into the U.S. legally I think their presence would still cause problems with some folks
It's human nature I think

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

All name calling and chest pounding aside.......if I lived across the border and was a law abiding citizen my ass would want out.. put yourself in their place just get on the internet and type in Mexican drug cartel murders those mofo's don't play and they don't care about collateral damage............my question would be for all the thousands of people that have came across illegally do they cross by themselves or do they pay a coyote to get them across from what I've read it costs thousands of dollars for an individual to cross with the help of a coyote
Seems to me they could use that money to get into the country legally and how difficult is it to come into this country if you're not a citizen and wish to become one
I'm not a native american so my descendants were immigrants... if our southern neighbors came into the U.S. legally I think their presence would still cause problems with some folks
It's human nature I think

hear, hear!
yer goddam right I'd be trying get my family out of some cesspool. I do fear for the safety of their children though, in sociopathic, non-empathetic American society. I'd prolly opt for Cuba. better health-care.

 

[ChesusRice]

All name calling and chest pounding aside.......if I lived across the border and was a law abiding citizen my ass would want out.. put yourself in their place just get on the internet and type in Mexican drug cartel murders those mofo's don't play and they don't care about collateral damage............my question would be for all the thousands of people that have came across illegally do they cross by themselves or do they pay a coyote to get them across from what I've read it costs thousands of dollars for an individual to cross with the help of a coyote
Seems to me they could use that money to get into the country legally and how difficult is it to come into this country if you're not a citizen and wish to become one
I'm not a native american so my descendants were immigrants... if our southern neighbors came into the U.S. legally I think their presence would still cause problems with some folks
It's human nature I think

If they could come here legally they would.
Average visa wait time for a Mexican is 18 years

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

If they could come here legally they would.
Average visa wait time for a Mexican is 18 years

I'd learn boat-building, and become a Cuban. the hell I'd bring my family here.

 

[nontheist]

If they could come here legally they would.
Average visa wait time for a Mexican is 18 years

The truth is if he/she is a professional college graduate it can be as little as six months, a 2 year skilled degree 6 years wait. The 18 years is for petitioned family due to huge backlogs and the more the migrate the bigger the log gets.

We have a little over 40millions foreign born legal immigrants. Out of that 28 percent are Mexican born. They are getting the biggest cut of the immigration pie by far. The backlog for Philippines families is 24 years and they only get 4.4 percent of the pie. (and i suspect this why you're so adamant about free immigration). This poor poor Mexican migrants getting screwed propaganda is getting old. If the system ever becomes fair, Mexicans have the most to lose.

As of now we house 20% of the worlds immigrants, that's more than the other top 4 countries combined. I am no immigration expert but I assume we want productive educated immigrants hitting goals for certain criteria and have basic caps instead of a come one come all system. Even to a layman that doesn't seem economically feasible.

sources
http://migrationpolicy.org/article/mexican-immigrants-united-states
http://migrationpolicy.org/article/filipino-immigrants-united-states
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-born_population
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

 

[ginwilly]

The truth is if he/she is a professional college graduate it can be as little as six months, a 2 year skilled degree 6 years wait. The 18 years is for petitioned family due to huge backlogs and the more the migrate the bigger the log gets.

We have a little over 40millions foreign born legal immigrants. Out of that 28 percent are Mexican born. They are getting the biggest cut of the immigration pie by far. The backlog for Philippines families is 24 years and they only get 4.4 percent of the pie. (and i suspect this why you're so adamant about free immigration). This poor poor Mexican migrants getting screwed propaganda is getting old. If the system ever becomes fair, Mexicans have the most to lose.

As of now we house 20% of the worlds immigrants, that's more than the other top 4 countries combined. I am no immigration expert but I assume we want productive educated immigrants hitting goals for certain criteria and have basic caps instead of a come one come all system. Even to a layman that doesn't seem economically feasible.

sources
http://migrationpolicy.org/article/mexican-immigrants-united-states
http://migrationpolicy.org/article/filipino-immigrants-united-states
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-born_population
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

It took a married couple that works at my hospital 12 years after their paperwork was started and both have degrees. They were coming from Sarnia which is 10 miles from MI. Chesus is right... oh my.

 

[ginwilly]

If they could come here legally they would.
Average visa wait time for a Mexican is 18 years

Yep, this is what we need to fix. If you could get here within a year as a productive citizen I believe most from the southern border would come here legally.

Just an opinion, but I'd like to put it to the test.

 

[UncleBuck]

The truth is if he/she is a professional college graduate it can be as little as six months, a 2 year skilled degree 6 years wait. The 18 years is for petitioned family due to huge backlogs and the more the migrate the bigger the log gets.

We have a little over 40millions foreign born legal immigrants. Out of that 28 percent are Mexican born. They are getting the biggest cut of the immigration pie by far. The backlog for Philippines families is 24 years and they only get 4.4 percent of the pie. (and i suspect this why you're so adamant about free immigration). This poor poor Mexican migrants getting screwed propaganda is getting old. If the system ever becomes fair, Mexicans have the most to lose.

As of now we house 20% of the worlds immigrants, that's more than the other top 4 countries combined. I am no immigration expert but I assume we want productive educated immigrants hitting goals for certain criteria and have basic caps instead of a come one come all system. Even to a layman that doesn't seem economically feasible.

sources
http://migrationpolicy.org/article/mexican-immigrants-united-states
http://migrationpolicy.org/article/filipino-immigrants-united-states
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-born_population
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

well at least you stopped citing the known hate groups like FAIR.