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st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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TonightYou said:
I know Amos is a big fan of accurate descriptions. But I gotta say that I've yet to encounter any breeder who can accurately describe most aspects of a strain. Can get some close ones, but flowering times I take as a grain of salt. Doesn't bug me too much, I usually look at the lineage to get an idea of what to expect with regards to flowering times in particular. Plus I'd be pretty pissed if of the two females, one went all lady boy on me.
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There's a variety of potential genetic expressions, so I understand that it's next to impossible for breeders to describe every possibility, but they could very well give you an idea of what you're likely to expect. Dynasty Seeds for example does a nice job of this. For each of their strains they give you a breakdown. 25% chance of getting this pheno, 10% chance of getting that pheno, etc.
 
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Amos Otis said:
That stems back to some years ago; allowing myself to accept a 'do you pal a favor' blind date. Accurate descriptions to me = reliable.

Buying into 'reputable' seed sellers hype, like "Top strain for medical users and blowers that are looking for that extra punch which they havent find in the past years. This smoke can be to strong for some blowers !" Yet when those beans turn out nothing like that description, the breeder's fans shrug it off, like, 'so what'?. The 'so what', is that it was the description that prompted the purchase. "He's a good cat...honorable dude", yet that honorable cat still sells those B- beans with the same description.

The argument never changes - 'it's in there if you just run enough packs', or 'I don't care what's in there, I just know whatever comes out will be great'.

I can't fathom how people rationalize that names and descriptions shouldn't be relied on at all. And TY - you peruse the bean shops and their descriptions before selecting your next purchase. If you're not basing your choice on the descriptions, then why not mail the seed co some cash and say 'send whatever you got - we both know no one knows what'll actually come out'?
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I do my research. First step, check out the reputation of the breeder. Next step go to google, type in [insert strain name here] grow journal. Read other people's experiences growing a strain and go from there. Between banks and breeders description, I find nothing is better than a good grow journal or two
 
st0wandgrow

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genuity said:
it's all about the grower/end user

never take anyones word for anything.....breeder/tester/some grower on a forum/nobody,i say nobody.
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I think you're 2/3'rds correct. I don't take the word of a breeder or tester. They have a vested interest is selling you those beans, and they will make them sound as enticing as possible. Someone that grew a pack of seeds and has no affiliation with that company is different though. I don't take everyone's word as the gospel, but I certainly do factor in peoples opinions whom I respect as part of my seed buying decisions. How else do you decide to run a pack if not from feedback of people that have already grown it? Flip a coin?
 
genuity

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tigersmilk

i wanted to test this breeder out,so a good guy(SHOE) sent me some beans,i grew them beans out,and liked what i got.
did it match the write up? not to a T

was it some damn fine smoke....hell yes
that's how i pop/buy/get gifts...


and you do not have to be a tester of one seed maker,to talk up his/her beans....i see it all the time,from people trying to get close to said people.
 
kgp

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genuity said:
and i have grown beans from them same bean makers..

and got plants that did not come close to what was said.

point?
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The point?

Brother I know you are smarter than that.

There's a big fat point.

I buy a seed from the description and genetics.

It should be close to advertised.

if there are multiple phenos, list them.

if they arent what I'm looking for I pass.

if sanjies sugar punch wasn't sweet. People would be upset.

If blueberry tasted like mango people would complain.

I understand you rep ggg. But what's the point of a strain matching the description is a problem to almost everyone but you.
 
greenghost420

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genuity said:
it's all about the grower/end user

never take anyones word for anything.....breeder/tester/some grower on a forum/nobody,i say nobody.
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really? u fucking serious? i cant trust the breeder to accuaratly describe what hes selling? oh man! LOL like i stated earlier, WHY HAVE TESTER IF YOU DONT FUCKING UTILIZE THEM! like kgp said, those companys that he mentioned that IVE grown(calicon,RD,dna,RP) all their shit was on point. dont try to instill any faith in the brand you rep....

u can ask anybody about my word where i come from! my shit is bond! all i have is my word n my balls....

cue seed creepo LOLLLLLL
 
Amos Otis

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genuity said:
and you do not have to be a tester of one seed maker,to talk up his/her beans....i see it all the time,from people trying to get close to said people.
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Or fan boys. Maybe get jazzed about a thread, follow, get all excited, order beans, become a major poster, part of the group of fans. At this point, I think there are people who then will find a way to love whatever they get from a finished plant, and offer every excuse why.

The people on RIU who's opinions I value the highest, are the unaffiliated growers that are as quick to trash a strain as they are to praise another from the same company.
 
st0wandgrow

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Amos Otis said:
Or fan boys. Maybe get jazzed about a thread, follow, get all excited, order beans, become a major poster, part of the group of fans. At this point, I think there are people who then will find a way to love whatever they get from a finished plant, and offer every excuse why.

The people on RIU who's opinions I value the highest, are the unaffiliated growers that are as quick to trash a strain as they are to praise another from the same company.
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Exactly! There are plenty of people who have a man-crush on a certain breeder. Those folks can be as biased as someone working for that company. The truly objective folks are easy to spot IMO. Like you said, read their reports and if you see the good/bad/and ugly all being reported then that person is likely a good source of info.

The other thing I consider is the number of strains a seed company offers, and how long they've been around. I find it hard to believe that you will get any type of consistency from a company that is relatively new, but offers dozens of varieties, and is dropping new stuff every second week. How on earth do they have time to properly vet these strains in such a small window?

I'd much rather see a company offer 4 or 5 solid lines that they have really worked and nailed down the desirable traits instead of a group that has 30+ strains (that are ever changing) on the menu. That's a huge red flag for me.
 
greenghost420

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this isnt really nonsense. seems like a blatent bait n switch. not hard to collect data and represent something honestly. but to someone that doesnt care what they grow i could see how its nonsense...
 
Pass it Around

Pass it Around

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genuity said:
tigersmilk

i wanted to test this breeder out,so a good guy(SHOE) sent me some beans,i grew them beans out,and liked what i got.
did it match the write up? not to a T

was it some damn fine smoke....hell yes
that's how i pop/buy/get gifts...


and you do not have to be a tester of one seed maker,to talk up his/her beans....i see it all the time,from people trying to get close to said people.
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