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There needs to be more help for people with Mental Illness

torontoke

torontoke

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As much as it hurts the friends and family of the person commiting suicide just imagine how difficult that persons life is that they are considering suicide.
The same lines are always used like " its the most selfish thing you could do"
Would u rather the person live in mental or physical pain for the rest of their lives? Isnt that selfish of you?
Its a horrible feeling believe me. Everyday i struggle with the facts and bleak outlook.
Everyone says they wish they could help but the truth is that everyones situation is different and there really isnt a one sized fits all band aide.

The way society has evolved has put people in impossible situations.
 
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ULEN

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Get your body and mind right by eating and drinking right. It can take you a long way.

Everything that goes into your body can either help or cause damage. Pesticides taken into your body process as a synthetic hormone.

That right there takes the vehicle off road. Get clean fruit and veggies, eat plenty of nuts, fish, hemp seeds, omegas.

Cut out all the crap you wouldnt be able to eat if you were a wild person.

Anybody struggling needs to make radical changes.

But then again, if you keep doing the same crap and end up with the same results, you just comfirmed you're a nut case.
 
Yessica...

Yessica...

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ULEN said:
But then again, if you keep doing the same crap and end up with the same results, you just comfirmed you're a nut case.
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That's kind of what this thread is for - the "nut cases".

I have known for years what I NEED to do to get better or to help myself.

Yet I always end up doing the things I know make me worse. Drinking, eating poorly, spending all my time in bed, not talking to the people I care about.

Sure, when I feel excellent, the world is my oyster. But - the periods of dark, horrible, bleak nothingness - well you couldn't convince me to get outside or eat organic foods if my life depended on it. I rarely bathe or leave my room when I'm like that.

Preventing that from happening again, is my new goal. Or recognizing the patterns so I can catch it early on.

But - you wouldn't see me writing anything if I was in a terrible depression again. I wouldn't be able to express myself, because everything I say at the time feels weighted down with self-hatred and shame. I feel ashamed when I am depressed, probably more than anything else. Shame about the way I feel, and why I feel that way.

I think it's the shame that needs to be addressed. Sad people, sick people, depressed people, people that can't see through the blackness - they should not be made to feel ashamed because they can't just "get happy".

I don't know what the solution is. But you can't shame someone that's depressed into getting help. Because, at least for me, I am already too ashamed of myself to even function. Let alone embrace change.
 
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ULEN

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Yeah you're SOL. Maybe you just need some more responsibility. Seems like you have way too much free time and not enough creativity to keep you busy throughout your day.
 
torontoke

torontoke

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I feel the same way.
Everyone looks down on me now as tho i choose to feel the way i do.
I wish my physical and mental pain where visable to everyone so that maybe people would think differently about my situation.
You should see the looks i get when i park in handicapped parking spaces...people see me and think this guys not that old and he doesnt look fukt up wtf?
 
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Yessica...

Yessica...

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ULEN said:
Yeah you're SOL. Maybe you just need some more responsibility. Seems like you have way too much free time and not enough creativity to keep you busy throughout your day.
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I do agree that a creative outlet helps. And currently, I am feeling pretty good. I have not had a major depressive episode since January of 2013.

But, I know for a fact that I have a chemical imbalance, whatever you want to call it. I've been this way for 16 years. And just accepting that I'm shit-out-of-luck is NOT something I'm willing to do.

I would like it to be easier for people to talk about. That's it, and that's all.

You are entitled to your "shit or get off the pot" mentality. But, I don't think it's very helpful for people that are so depressed they feel that taking their own lives is the only "reasonable" solution.
 
freddyc

freddyc

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Yessica... said:
But, I know for a fact that I have a chemical imbalance, whatever you want to call it. I've been this way for 16 years. And just accepting that I'm shit-out-of-luck is NOT something I'm willing to do.
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Actually, the whole 'chemical imbalance ' thing was a 'condition' created by 'Big Pharma' to sell their poisons. The literature is starting to surface regarding this very fact. Will attempt to find those old papers/links and post them... Here are just a couple.
Mad In America is a great site.

http://www.madinamerica.com/2013/10/mental-illness-chemical-imbalance-theory-myth/

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-first-impression/201302/5-myths-about-depression

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/curious/201403/what-causes-depression-myths-about-chemical-imbalances
 
Yessica...

Yessica...

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freddyc said:
Actually, the whole 'chemical imbalance ' thing was a 'condition' created by 'Big Pharma' to sell their poisons. The literature is starting to surface regarding this very fact. Will attempt to find those old papers/links and post them... Here are just a couple.
Mad In America is a great site.

http://www.madinamerica.com/2013/10/mental-illness-chemical-imbalance-theory-myth/

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-first-impression/201302/5-myths-about-depression

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/curious/201403/what-causes-depression-myths-about-chemical-imbalances
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Well, I've been "treated" by BIG PHARMA most of my adult life. Just seems to be something that people can relate to, when I try to explain the reasons I've done the things that I've done. Chemical Imbalance, that is.

In reality, through 16 years of therapy and pharma drugs and support groups, no one has ever told me "you have X, because of Y". I think a lot of what's been the matter with me, STARTED with pharma drugs - birth control pills.

But I've been through major depressions in the middle of being terribly busy (work, school, lots of exercise and romantic relationships) and then also when I have disconnected myself from everything and everyone for a period of time. When it starts to happen, I do know changing things in my behaviour should be the very first thing that I do.

Getting outside, eating right, doing things that make me feel satisfied and happy. But - it doesn't go that way a lot of the time.

You know what you need to do, but you don't do it. I'd like to say, I won't make the same mistakes again.

But if I do, I'll get over it - and try again. Because that's what I have to do to survive.
 
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ULEN

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WTF? Quote me where I said any of that. To each their own. You living in lalaland "upstairs" doesn't concern me nor is it none of my business. Seems to me like its a pitty bait thread since people are posting some good info and from what I gathered it seems like you're stuck on your past and can't dig yourself out of the hole you been "placed in". Good luck with your journey.
 
Yessica...

Yessica...

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ULEN said:
WTF? Quote me where I said any of that. To each their own. You living in lalaland "upstairs" doesn't concern me nor is it none of my business. Seems to me like its a pitty bait thread since people are posting some good info and from what I gathered it seems like you're stuck on your past and can't dig yourself out of the hole you been "placed in". Good luck with your journey.
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Are you talking to me? I'm confused.

I am CURRENTLY not depressed. I currently feel great, and I would like to do everything I can to maintain that.

I'm just saying I'm not going to go off the deep end if I get depressed again. I will recognize what happens, and try as hard as I can to not let it get too bad.

You seem to have a combative attitude, which is out of place here in my opinion. I was just talking about my experiences, and others were doing the same.

Talking about things that have happened, or about being sad or depressed is not "a pity party". It's life.
 
freddyc

freddyc

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Yessica... said:
Well, I've been "treated" by BIG PHARMA most of my adult life. Just seems to be something that people can relate to, when I try to explain the reasons I've done the things that I've done. Chemical Imbalance, that is.

In reality, through 16 years of therapy and pharma drugs and support groups, no one has ever told me "you have X, because of Y". I think a lot of what's been the matter with me, STARTED with pharma drugs - birth control pills.

But I've been through major depressions in the middle of being terribly busy (work, school, lots of exercise and romantic relationships) and then also when I have disconnected myself from everything and everyone for a period of time. When it starts to happen, I do know changing things in my behaviour should be the very first thing that I do.

Getting outside, eating right, doing things that make me feel satisfied and happy. But - it doesn't go that way a lot of the time.

You know what you need to do, but you don't do it. I'd like to say, I won't make the same mistakes again.

But if I do, I'll get over it - and try again. Because that's what I have to do to survive.
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I would have to agree regarding the fact that the introduction of pharmaceuticals was the problem, at least for me, having been a 'guinea pig' most of my life as well.
It can be very difficult 'wading through the molasses' to engage in life, whether it's exercise, diet, etc......

Yea, and what do we usually do, smile and pretend everything is 'peachy', while inside 'lurks' a different 'movie'.
 
freddyc

freddyc

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ULEN said:
WTF? Quote me where I said any of that. To each their own. You living in lalaland "upstairs" doesn't concern me nor is it none of my business. Seems to me like its a pitty bait thread since people are posting some good info and from what I gathered it seems like you're stuck on your past and can't dig yourself out of the hole you been "placed in". Good luck with your journey.
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And good luck with yours.
 
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ULEN

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If the shoe fits. I came in shared and posted what showed results. 1+1 does not = 1 because not everyone is equal and what works for one won't necessarily work for another "obviously".

"I don't know what the solution is. But you can't shame someone that's depressed into getting help. Because, at least for me, I am already too ashamed of myself to even function. Let alone embrace change."

State one thing, say another. You been good for how long yet you're too ashamed of yourself you can't function. You're looking for a solution, for the 1+1=1. So because of that X+X=X you have, why embrace change?
 
Yessica...

Yessica...

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ULEN said:
If the shoe fits. I came in shared and posted what showed results. 1+1 does not = 1 because not everyone is equal and what works for one won't necessarily work for another "obviously".

"I don't know what the solution is. But you can't shame someone that's depressed into getting help. Because, at least for me, I am already too ashamed of myself to even function. Let alone embrace change."

State one thing, say another. You been good for how long yet you're too ashamed of yourself you can't function. You're looking for a solution, for the 1+1=1. So because of that X+X=X you have, why embrace change?
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I meant, "when I am depressed".

I, go through spells of depression. I remember somethings from my depressed times, and not others. It tends to be like a haze.

But one thing I always remember, is how ashamed I feel to be feeling the way that I do.

Currently, not a bit ashamed of my depression. And I don't think anyone needs to be. Its a disease, like many others. Except it effects your mind and the way you feel about yourself. So it is difficult, but not unbeatable.
 
freddyc

freddyc

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ULEN said:
If the shoe fits. I came in shared and posted what showed results. 1+1 does not = 1 because not everyone is equal and what works for one won't necessarily work for another "obviously".

"I don't know what the solution is. But you can't shame someone that's depressed into getting help. Because, at least for me, I am already too ashamed of myself to even function. Let alone embrace change."

State one thing, say another. You been good for how long yet you're too ashamed of yourself you can't function. You're looking for a solution, for the 1+1=1. So because of that X+X=X you have, why embrace change?
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Yes, shame can be a terrible anchor, Bradshaw's 'Healing the Shame That Binds You' was immeasurably helpful to myself and many of the brothers and sisters I've walked my healing journey with.
Blew me away that it's available online for free.....

http://www.creativegrowth.com/bradshaw_shame 1.pdf

Sorry, it's not the whole book...But it will probably be available at any used bookstore. Mind you if it is anything like mine it will be full of highlighting and margin notes...lol


Here is the whole book, at least it loaded the complete 245 pages for me.

http://helenhill.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/healing-the-shame-that-binds-you.pdf

As with any information, take what you need and leave the rest....
 
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ULEN

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freddyc said:
Yes, shame can be a terrible anchor, Bradshaw's 'Healing the Shame That Binds You' was immeasurably helpful to myself and many of the brothers and sisters I've walked my healing journey with.
Blew me away that it's available online for free.....

http://www.creativegrowth.com/bradshaw_shame 1.pdf

Sorry, it's not the whole book...But it will probably be available at any used bookstore. Mind you if it is anything like mine it will be full of highlighting and margin notes...lol


Here is the whole book, at least it loaded the complete 245 pages for me.

http://helenhill.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/healing-the-shame-that-binds-you.pdf
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When you put it that way your right. But when the anchor gets caught up fishing it always gets cut off before you can go home.

Score on the PDF reading.
 
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