Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[Mohican]

I know! Sub is an acquired taste.
I have worked globally for many years now and have learned how to identify talent in the most repulsive personalities. Sub isn't even close to most offensive person I know. He does have access to some amazing genetics and he has protected them for a long time. Lately he has let others go crazy with the crosses. However, his Jack, Space, Orange, strains just to name a few are phenomenal. On top of that I like the fact that he can do all of this with such a limited toolbox. He is quite a force of nature MzJill is very cool also!

I am not upset talking about this. It took me a long time to discover that all people have talents. You just need to take the time to find it.

If it wasn't for this thread and the vermicompost thread, I never would have tried composting and natural methods. Up until a few years ago I swore by Miracle Grow.

I am not trying to convince any of you to love Subcool. Please don't be haters though - OK?


Cheers,
Mo

 

[st0wandgrow]

I know! Sub is an acquired taste.
I have worked globally for many years now and have learned how to identify talent in the most repulsive personalities. Sub isn't even close to most offensive person I know. He does have access to some amazing genetics and he has protected them for a long time. Lately he has let others go crazy with the crosses. However, his Jack, Space, Orange, strains just to name a few are phenomenal. On top of that I like the fact that he can do all of this with such a limited toolbox. He is quite a force of nature MzJill is very cool also!

I am not upset talking about this. It took me a long time to discover that all people have talents. You just need to take the time to find it.

If it wasn't for this thread and the vermicompost thread, I never would have tried composting and natural methods. Up until a few years ago I swore by Miracle Grow.

I am not trying to convince any of you to love Subcool. Please don't be haters though - OK?


Cheers,
Mo

I think it's unfair that subcool gets a bad rap for his genetics. Everyone that tries his Cheesequake that I've had for years loves it. I also grew his Jilybean which was nice as well. I'm going to grab a pack of Chernobyl and Ripped Bubba too.

As far as sub the person, I feel a lot of the criticism is warranted. I lost what little respect I had for him when I saw him openly celebrating gypsy nirvana getting popped by law enforcement. I found that to be in very poor taste

 

[Mohican]

He stated his reasons for that reaction, and it wasn't trivial.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

My Vermicompost is the most potent soil amendment I have ever used. Everything loves it! I wish I could buy bags of it somewhere! I think the coffee makes the plants grow faster hehe

I echo this, like I've said before, a homegrown EWC is the best EWC you can get. Fresh is best. I've been feeding my worms some alpaca manure mixed in with their normal food, they seem to like it, and i'm eagerly awaiting my trial run with my "new" castings. Gonna give them another two weeks to finish composting it, and my next flowering run will determine if it's all for naught, or not.

 

[DonPetro]

I think it's unfair that subcool gets a bad rap for his genetics. Everyone that tries his Cheesequake that I've had for years loves it. I also grew his Jilybean which was nice as well. I'm going to grab a pack of Chernobyl and Ripped Bubba too.

As far as sub the person, I feel a lot of the criticism is warranted. I lost what little respect I had for him when I saw him openly celebrating gypsy nirvana getting popped by law enforcement. I found that to be in very poor taste

Chernobyl is great. I find it a liitle lacking in flavour though. @DonTesla loves it and the Vortex.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Chernobyl is great. I find it a liitle lacking in flavour though. @DonTesla loves it and the Vortex.

I've grown the agent orange, and the cheesequake, via clones, not from seed, they were alright, nothing extraordinary though, the agent orange was a lil better, but the cheesequake produced more.
I've seen some vortex that has made me want to buy a pack of em, and the pics of the jellybean are damn nice. The ONLY strain that really has got me curious is the jack the ripper, I smoked a joint of that from a friend years ago (probably around 2005?) and it knocked me down good, a STRONG strain.
My problem is I already have like 15 different strains i'm tryin to figure out already, so another 10 seeds, sex them, clone them, flower them. it's a lot of work. I literally don't have the room for them..... But damnit, I want a good JTR...
but Bodhi's seeds look great, sannie has some that are appealing, I mean, shit... I obviously have a problem. Thankfully i'm not like this with women....anymore.

 

[DonTesla]

Chernobyl is great. I find it a liitle lacking in flavour though. @DonTesla loves it and the Vortex.

Yea they both lack a bit in flavour but not in potency, nor aroma, or bag appeal.. the chernobyl bk has been hitting me harder and harder in the last few days.. wait, its only been a couple.. see what i mean?

as for vortex, its on another level, high-wise.. NO CEILING…you keep getting waves of going 'higher'.. flavour wise, yea it too, is fairly weak.. this pheno is more grapey / bubble gummy so we shall see.. that said i would rather have something tasty to go with these than go without.. the vortex anyway is a must have in my books, at least for one sesh a week

 

[hyroot]

I've grown the agent orange, and the cheesequake, via clones, not from seed, they were alright, nothing extraordinary though, the agent orange was a lil better, but the cheesequake produced more.
I've seen some vortex that has made me want to buy a pack of em, and the pics of the jellybean are damn nice. The ONLY strain that really has got me curious is the jack the ripper, I smoked a joint of that from a friend years ago (probably around 2005?) and it knocked me down good, a STRONG strain.
My problem is I already have like 15 different strains i'm tryin to figure out already, so another 10 seeds, sex them, clone them, flower them. it's a lot of work. I literally don't have the room for them..... But damnit, I want a good JTR...
but Bodhi's seeds look great, sannie has some that are appealing, I mean, shit... I obviously have a problem. Thankfully i'm not like this with women....anymore.

if it came from a dispensary. You know the grower most likely kept the best pheno for himself and sold the other phenos to the dispensary. Finding that dank pheno is worth doing it from seed. The recessive traits don't come out til the clones either.

 

[DonTesla]

I just burnt some food, frozen stupid by Chernobyl. Even the .. yea.. its strong..

 

[hyroot]

I just burnt some food, frozen stupid by Chernobyl. Even the .. yea.. its strong..

don't feel bad. I was boiling water for drinking tea. I forgot. I boiled away a whole gallon of water. What a waste.

 

[Pattahabi]

@Mohican , again with all respect, this is all I can say on his genetics. I grew out some chernobyl for a couple rounds. It was a pretty good high, and lots of resin. The structure of the plant was terrible. It was constantly a wet noodle, didn't pack on very big buds, and I always ended up with a ton of trim leaves. The taste was lacking, and no matter what I did it seemed harsh. Generally I look to grower and conditions for some of these things, but I run half a dozen or more varieties at the same time, in the same room. So it was decent, but nothing I'd grow again. There are a list of breeders I would choose before TGA.

I think far less of his growing advise and morals then of his genetics.

P-

 

[hyroot]

@Mohican , again with all respect, this is all I can say on his genetics. I grew out some chernobyl for a couple rounds. It was a pretty good high, and lots of resin. The structure of the plant was terrible. It was constantly a wet noodle, didn't pack on very big buds, and I always ended up with a ton of trim leaves. The taste was lacking, and no matter what I did it seemed harsh. Generally I look to grower and conditions for some of these things, but I run half a dozen or more varieties at the same time, in the same room. So it was decent, but nothing I'd grow again. There are a list of breeders I would choose before TGA.

I think far less of his growing advise and morals then of his genetics.

P-

Chernobyl is a small yielder period. It even says that n the site. It's like growing cookies and expecting donkey colas. It's not going to happen. Not all strains yield big. A lot of strains don't yield shit. Look at real og. Larry or sfv. Small yielders too. Real master kush a small yielder. Purple kush even smaller yielder and pk has to be vegged for 4 months just to get a zip per plant. All my Tga has produced big buds. Quantum kush, plushberry, Jesus og, 9lb hammer, and then jillybean was a small yilelder but very dense buds. also each strain takes to each training method differently. Some do better topped multiple times. Some do better not topped at all. Some do better with lst.

 

[Pattahabi]

Chernobyl is a small yielder period. It even says that n the site. It's like growing cookies and expecting donkey colas. It's not going to happen. Not all strains yield big. A lot of strains don't yield shit. Look at real og. Larry or sfv. Small yielders too. Real master kush a small yielder. Purple kush even smaller yielder and pk has to be vegged for 4 months just to get a zip per plant. All my Tga has produced big buds. Quantum kush, plushberry, Jesus og, 9lb hammer, and then jillybean was a small yilelder but very dense buds. also each strain takes to each training method differently. Some do better topped multiple times. Some do better not topped at all. Some do better with lst.

Thanks, but this isn't my first rodeo. Yield is about #4 on on my keeper criteria. I have a list of plants that tasted better, were more potent, easier to grow, and larger yielding. Of course most of this is subjective and grower dependent.

Just sayin...
P-

 

[cannakis]

Always recycle your soil! Maybe you are referring to no-till?

so after Every grow you Reamend the soil? or just reuse it and amend like every year or so?

 

[foreverflyhi]

so after Every grow you Reamend the soil? or just reuse it and amend like every year or so?

You reamend according to how you feel your quality or health of the soil. Having said that, if you followed coots or any proven rols recipe with quality amendments, your soil will only get better.
My first rols batch lasted up to 2 years, i started to see a lost of yield around 7-8 harvest.
My second batch gave great nugs, but i knew it lacked a good rock mix, with other quality amendments that i skipped, which resulted in low yield and other deficiencies, so i reamend it as soon as first harvest was done. Im currently using my first rols batch again, and second is being remanded.

Also drainage is something im currently trying to fix, i added extra pumice to my first batch, and vermiculite in my second, just judging by drainage and texture, im digging the vermiculite mix, has a great texture!

 

[foreverflyhi]

@Mohican , again with all respect, this is all I can say on his genetics. I grew out some chernobyl for a couple rounds. It was a pretty good high, and lots of resin. The structure of the plant was terrible. It was constantly a wet noodle, didn't pack on very big buds, and I always ended up with a ton of trim leaves. The taste was lacking, and no matter what I did it seemed harsh. Generally I look to grower and conditions for some of these things, but I run half a dozen or more varieties at the same time, in the same room. So it was decent, but nothing I'd grow again. There are a list of breeders I would choose before TGA.

I think far less of his growing advise and morals then of his genetics.

P-

Word.
I too feel that way by tga and subcool.

but i know good skunk and kush strains, quantum and 9lbs is no joke!!! I have people drool over my quantum!

Thats why im more then open to keep trying tga strains(cough hyroot cough), but dont get me wrong, i by far choose rascal genetics anyday

 

[cannakis]

@Mohican , again with all respect, this is all I can say on his genetics. I grew out some chernobyl for a couple rounds. It was a pretty good high, and lots of resin. The structure of the plant was terrible. It was constantly a wet noodle, didn't pack on very big buds, and I always ended up with a ton of trim leaves. The taste was lacking, and no matter what I did it seemed harsh. Generally I look to grower and conditions for some of these things, but I run half a dozen or more varieties at the same time, in the same room. So it was decent, but nothing I'd grow again. There are a list of breeders I would choose before TGA.

I think far less of his growing advise and morals then of his genetics.

P-

haha i Love this! thats how kc's seeds are, but every dna's seemed amazing for me, and i always thought it was the breeders and cultivation which made perfection.

but what would be your favorite breeders?

 

[Mad Hamish]

I think it's unfair that subcool gets a bad rap for his genetics. Everyone that tries his Cheesequake that I've had for years loves it. I also grew his Jilybean which was nice as well. I'm going to grab a pack of Chernobyl and Ripped Bubba too.

As far as sub the person, I feel a lot of the criticism is warranted. I lost what little respect I had for him when I saw him openly celebrating gypsy nirvana getting popped by law enforcement. I found that to be in very poor taste

You aint no angel so lets not have the pot call the kettle black mate. Last thingg anybody on this site has the right to do is judge a public figure. We all have our fueds. They always get nasty. At least subs genetics do the talking, and he didn't rip them from anybody else. What else matters?

 

[reasonevangelist]

You aint no angel so lets not have the pot call the kettle black mate. Last thingg anybody on this site has the right to do is judge a public figure. We all have our fueds. They always get nasty. At least subs genetics do the talking, and he didn't rip them from anybody else. What else matters?

Nope! Personal judgment and assessment criteria selection, is everyone's right, actually.

But, just as it is my right to use my own judgment as i see fit, it is your right to disregard my judgment. It's not "the judgment" that is wrong, but that too many people don't understand how to correctly utilize it, and often employ inappropriate assessment criteria in the process, leading to what is called "poor judgment."

However, i have no dog in this fight. People criticize; it's often good to be critical, to be skeptical, to scrutinize. Some circles call that "peer review," and hold this practice in high regard.

Part of putting any part of yourself "out there" in the public sphere, is willingly exposing oneself to predictable and inevitable faulty judgment. The one being judged, usually knows whether the judgment is fair or not. Maybe we should let Sub himself decide whether he's been misjudged? Most people declare such things by default, so idk how reliable or valid that would be.

Who decides who is allowed to judge whom and/or what, and by which criteria?

Who decides what you are allowed to think, and why you are allowed to think it?

You do; according to your own judgment, developed through your own unique combination of experiences.

Ergo: everyone has the right to judge what they perceive, according to how they perceive it... even if everyone else thinks they're doing it wrong. It is each individual's duty and responsibility, to decide for themselves, how to judge what, or whom.

 

[Pattahabi]

haha i Love this! thats how kc's seeds are, but every dna's seemed amazing for me, and i always thought it was the breeders and cultivation which made perfection.

but what would be your favorite breeders?

Hands down my favorite breeder atm is Bodhi. I've grown many of his strains, and often times several phenos of each strain, and his gear is always top notch. Other breeders that I have had good experience with are Eskobar, Og Raskal, Mr.Nice, 303 seeds, Emerald Triangle, and lately, I've been liking some Gage Green.

P-