Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

cannakis

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ahh, well, we differ there, any car sold without an oil dipstick is gonna make me hate... steering angle sensor reset, remote key fobs, thousands of dollars in software, special scantools (VAG, etc) No thank you.
Although those customers typically don't nickel and dime your repair quotes. The money is in the emissions industry, my biggest profit margins are there, although I just had to buy a new machine (BAR OIS)
yeah and the emissions regulatins are bull shit! thank JESUS CHRIST i dont live in a county that recognizes them! i would have to spend Hundreds of dollars for a bull shit co2 sensor and then drive around aful tank and come back! fuck that! co2 is essential to Life! what about the carbon Monoxide and Sulfur and ither Poisonous gases that are released from fossel fuels, but nope Just carbon Dioxide! if only we could make moon shine freely we could use That for gas and will Actually clean the carbon from engines and burns clean "evil" co2! sorry, thats cool you profit off of regulations, but i fucking Hate them and especially the ones tgat just Steal from Citizens. and those that day ethanol is bad for cars... that is because it is Synthetic Ethanol derived From petroleum and mixed with chemically processed corn ethanol. which they say we cant make ethanol from hay or corn stalks But you can! just make a pile bigger than 3' and wet and turn and it will Ferment, do that in a pot and cook it and boom! there is actually a Scholarly Journal Article on ethanol from straw, but it cost like $300 to fucking read! hmm! i wonder why?!
 

greasemonkeymann

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yeah and the emissions regulatins are bull shit! thank JESUS CHRIST i dont live in a county that recognizes them! i would have to spend Hundreds of dollars for a bull shit co2 sensor and then drive around aful tank and come back! fuck that! co2 is essential to Life! what about the carbon Monoxide and Sulfur and ither Poisonous gases that are released from fossel fuels, but nope Just carbon Dioxide! if only we could make moon shine freely we could use That for gas and will Actually clean the carbon from engines and burns clean "evil" co2! sorry, thats cool you profit off of regulations, but i fucking Hate them and especially the ones tgat just Steal from Citizens. and those that day ethanol is bad for cars... that is because it is Synthetic Ethanol derived From petroleum and mixed with chemically processed corn ethanol. which they say we cant make ethanol from hay or corn stalks But you can! just make a pile bigger than 3' and wet and turn and it will Ferment, do that in a pot and cook it and boom! there is actually a Scholarly Journal Article on ethanol from straw, but it cost like $300 to fucking read! hmm! i wonder why?!
Um, ok, don't take this the wrong way, you are kinda complaining to the wrong person. Also there is no such thing as a co2 sensor (on a car) you are referring to either an oxygen sensor or an air/fuel ratio sensor also known as a wideband oxygen sensor, and you do in fact need this to function correctly on your car, or you'll be ADDING carbon monoxide (deadly gas) to our atmosphere, not to mention prematurely wearing out your catalyst ($$$$$). Ironically you said you were afraid of carbon monoxide (as you should be) but a bad O2 sensor, my friend, and you are polluting the air with CO, I know you aren't doing it on purpose, but that's why we TEST cars for emissions, because if everybody had your car, we'd be choking and dying. Know what I mean?
This is a whole other debate, but if we all used ethanol, we'd be fucked, same with diesel, gasoline, hybrids, cng/lng and so on, the planet NEEDS us to have a broad source for our fossil fuels.
No hate from me, bud, i'm a pacifist. I know you didn't mean anything inflammatory, Just please don't say things that you may not fully understand. Especially on important issues like air quality, I take my job very seriously and if we didn't smog cars in CA, we'd be seriously very very screwed, like CHINA screwed. Go google smog in CA from the 70's and that's from faaaaaar less vehicles. No joke.
 

Scotch089

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I just got a new truck and it's flexfuel capable, considered it. But the lack of stations that carry and the cut in mileage are not good incentives. I love the idea of taking my footprint away from pollution, power usage (LEDs bulbs in my entire house [and saving money DTR- 23w per bulb to 9w]), and making my own food (ROLS veggie garden), why do you say they mix the ethanols? I thought going green was the big sales pitch, what's the point if they are just dilluting it?
 

SouthernSoil*

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How'd the soil build go?
Bro i migrated for a short period of time & things didnt really go well although now im pretty settled, stleath missions took alot of time but things are looking great now.

I have 1/3 of perlite sitting in each 5 gallon pot, i have alfalfa/lucerne which im going to chop up in the morning, i have 2 x 0.6 cubic foot bags of earth worm castings & 3 x 0.6 cubic foot bags of peat, im guessing ill need more ewc though, i just started the 2nd stage of lacto b serum yesterday using raw milk,1 week & it should be complete! then i have my molasses, chicken poop, fish fertilizer to go with the serum for teas. i was wondering if you possibly use an air stone with your fish pump to oxygenate the water ?

Got kandi kush,jack flash & church lined up but i have 4 pots, i was wondering if i should just do 3 pots or add in the other pot but i only have bag seed strains, i remember speaking to mad ham & he said i should watch out incase its not a hermie, ive grown out a micro plant in the garden from one of my seeds & it turned out pretty nice no signs of banana's although i know its from a outdoor genetic, the problem is the bagseed i got from the dank strains which were apparently "indoor" could be hermies & i dont remember if they had banana's although i do remember some strains had these tiny little undefined balls ? Possibly immature seeds but the heads didnt look too immature i dont think..
 

reasonevangelist

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I just got a new truck and it's flexfuel capable, considered it. But the lack of stations that carry and the cut in mileage are not good incentives. I love the idea of taking my footprint away from pollution, power usage (LEDs bulbs in my entire house [and saving money DTR- 23w per bulb to 9w]), and making my own food (ROLS veggie garden), why do you say they mix the ethanols? I thought going green was the big sales pitch, what's the point if they are just dilluting it?
The point, with all massive alarmist movements, is profit for those who can make the wrong solution seem like the right one.

A carbon tax won't repair the planet, but it will definitely make a relatively small number of people extremely wealthy. The people who impose taxation, rarely ever fix anything. They're not going to take that money and clean up the world and make a bunch of helpful changes... they're going to spend it on their next mass-exploitation endeavor, as usual.

"They" like to take (or cause) real problems, and then propose a very hyped solution from which they can profit obscenely. This is why i have a problem with the whole "climate change" buzz/movement. People don't control which cars are available for purchase, so why should those people pay a carbon tax? Regulate the manufacturers of pollutant products, so that they are required to adopt the best possible practices, and produce products which allow the consumer to make more ecologically safe choices, rather than penalizing the consumer (and not the manufacturer) for something over which they have zero control. Same goes for cannabis: stop penalizing people for supporting your competition, and convert your business to supply what your consumers prefer (i.e. cannabis over pharmaceuticals and/or alcohol). It's not my job to ensure the success of a business which funds my persecution, by "legally" extorting us all via taxation without representation, under duress, under penalty of unjust violence. If all the anti-cannabis "cannabis competitors" want to ensure their businesses remain profitable, they should stop creating enemies of, and eliminating, potential customers, and instead, provide a product those potential customers actually want. Those huge businesses have the ability to convert to what people actually want to buy, but instead, they use their regulatory capture "pull," to create laws enforced by violence and terrorism, in attempt to coerce us all into buying what they are already set up to supply... despite the fact that many of us have already discovered a significantly more appealing alternative to their inferior products. They're trying to force us to make them wealthy by criminalizing the competition and its supporters. It's completely fucked, and i'm not really sure how it has gotten so far out of hand, or how it can be corrected without a massive violent clash and many casualties.

We don't all have to "get along," but i wish everyone would at least stop being terrible to each other. That would help quite a bit, i think, even if it doesn't fix everything. It sucks that so many people never have a chance to experience how much better life could be, if not for all the arbitrary detriment caused by people trying to siphon resources from as many people as possible. And it sucks that some of those same evil bastards are polluting the world without our consent, while trying to lobby for taxing us for what only they can control.
 

cannakis

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The point, with all massive alarmist movements, is profit for those who can make the wrong solution seem like the right one.

A carbon tax won't repair the planet, but it will definitely make a relatively small number of people extremely wealthy. The people who impose taxation, rarely ever fix anything. They're not going to take that money and clean up the world and make a bunch of helpful changes... they're going to spend it on their next mass-exploitation endeavor, as usual.

"They" like to take (or cause) real problems, and then propose a very hyped solution from which they can profit obscenely. This is why i have a problem with the whole "climate change" buzz/movement. People don't control which cars are available for purchase, so why should those people pay a carbon tax? Regulate the manufacturers of pollutant products, so that they are required to adopt the best possible practices, and produce products which allow the consumer to make more ecologically safe choices, rather than penalizing the consumer (and not the manufacturer) for something over which they have zero control. Same goes for cannabis: stop penalizing people for supporting your competition, and convert your business to supply what your consumers prefer (i.e. cannabis over pharmaceuticals and/or alcohol). It's not my job to ensure the success of a business which funds my persecution, by "legally" extorting us all via taxation without representation, under duress, under penalty of unjust violence. If all the anti-cannabis "cannabis competitors" want to ensure their businesses remain profitable, they should stop creating enemies of, and eliminating, potential customers, and instead, provide a product those potential customers actually want. Those huge businesses have the ability to convert to what people actually want to buy, but instead, they use their regulatory capture "pull," to create laws enforced by violence and terrorism, in attempt to coerce us all into buying what they are already set up to supply... despite the fact that many of us have already discovered a significantly more appealing alternative to their inferior products. They're trying to force us to make them wealthy by criminalizing the competition and its supporters. It's completely fucked, and i'm not really sure how it has gotten so far out of hand, or how it can be corrected without a massive violent clash and many casualties.

We don't all have to "get along," but i wish everyone would at least stop being terrible to each other. That would help quite a bit, i think, even if it doesn't fix everything. It sucks that so many people never have a chance to experience how much better life could be, if not for all the arbitrary detriment caused by people trying to siphon resources from as many people as possible. And it sucks that some of those same evil bastards are polluting the world without our consent, while trying to lobby for taxing us for what only they can control.
AMEN!!! Couldn't have said it better myself ReasonEvangilist, which I love the name, but you summarized Everything I was trying to say much more concisely. Thank You, and thank you for Actually understanding THE TRUTH!! And greasemonkey thanks for what you said let me understand more, though leaving fossel fuels would actually help stop us from being fucked, because they are just going to use it all up for profit, instead of treasuring it for the precious resource it is.
 

SouthernSoil*

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Well said reasonevangelist ! Brilliant, manufacturers should be regulated for sure ! They can be making cars way more efficient than they are now & we should be using the oil we have now to make ways to get off of the oil. I heard a simple case of a truck from France transporting milk to Italy to make yoghurt then transported back to France for sale, that was an example that pissed me off & its only one of the many other ways people waste fuel besides being the worst of them all. I have my brothers girlfriend who comes to our place and thinks its completely normal to shower before bed & when she wakes up even though there has been water shortages in the area she couldnt give a shit because all she can watch is the bachelor on TV, a big problem we also have today is the media addicting people to useless information, if people were getting fed information that actually matters today it would be way different, im not saying we should sacrifice all entertainment but we definitely living in a time where we need more ideas instead of people just getting brainwashed. Im sure you can all agree on that !

I wish my school had permaculture for classes ! ! ! I wish all schools had it ! i wish all schools had many more options & interesting things.
 

smokey the cat

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I wish my school had permaculture for classes ! ! ! I wish all schools had it ! i wish all schools had many more options & interesting things.
Bro I wonder how good school would be compared to what we have right here. Yeah, they'd give you more access to journal articles, but on the whole I'm blown away by what I've been able to glean from these ROLS threads.

Easily surpasses any 100 level paper I reckon. Insane amounts of info - especially reading MicrobeMan's reading suggestions in the linked icymag thread.

Finally shit on forums is matching the science I still remember from high school. And it's science, like actual facts and stuff - not bullshit recycled from idiots. Plant and soil biology is the shit, and it's all here for the taking, amazing.

This is the future - we're the first generation to read the collected knowledge of all of humanity at once. Just gotta keep sorting the wheat from the chaff.
 

SouthernSoil*

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Bro I wonder how good school would be compared to what we have right here. Yeah, they'd give you more access to journal articles, but on the whole I'm blown away by what I've been able to glean from these ROLS threads.

Easily surpasses any 100 level paper I reckon. Insane amounts of info - especially reading MicrobeMan's reading suggestions in the linked icymag thread.

Finally shit on forums is matching the science I still remember from high school. And it's science, like actual facts and stuff - not bullshit recycled from idiots. Plant and soil biology is the shit, and it's all here for the taking, amazing.

This is the future - we're the first generation to read the collected knowledge of all of humanity at once. Just gotta keep sorting the wheat from the chaff.
I also wonder how they would be although i can think of plenty of other things to implement into there !

There's insane information on these forums, people dont understand the power that lies here you're 100% right.

Well said, we are the generation that has got all collected knowledge of all humanity at once, brilliant dude
 

greasemonkeymann

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AMEN!!! Couldn't have said it better myself ReasonEvangilist, which I love the name, but you summarized Everything I was trying to say much more concisely. Thank You, and thank you for Actually understanding THE TRUTH!! And greasemonkey thanks for what you said let me understand more, though leaving fossel fuels would actually help stop us from being fucked, because they are just going to use it all up for profit, instead of treasuring it for the precious resource it is.
you are welcome, I hope you understand I wasn't trying to call you out or be aggressive in any way. More often than not, automobiles are simply not completely understood, and compound that with the crappy reputations that shady mechanics have and you have some trust issues. You see, for my business I don't advertise, I barely have a phone book listing, I rely solely on word-of-mouth, well, and yelp has helped (although I don't approve of the website, kinda like gangsters...) Anyways, point is, I find it extremely important to explain exactly what parts/services are needed and why, in my experience with people I've discovered that showing them WHY and HOW will make it more likely for them to approve of the repair, it's 100% on the service manager to do that, you can have the best auto tech in the world but if he has a crappy service manager it won't be sold, and the vehicle/customer will be neglected.
Point being, whenever you had your car checked at some point it was brought to your attention that you needed an o2 sensor, that is the time when it should have been explained to you WHY you needed it, and then, from the feel I get from you (seem to be socially responsible) you would have replaced that faulty O2 then. That's my point.
I agree with you, if we could leave fossil fuels alone we'd be better off, but that simply isn't possible at all.
That's like saying the world would be better off with 4.5 billion people instead of 7 billion, that's true, in fact I read somewhere that's the "magic" number for the planet, we can in theory sustain life with 4.5 billion people.... as opposed to slowly (maybe not so slow after all) we are killing ourselves.
whew... Saturday-morning-too-much-coffee-no-pot-rant.... sorry fellas
 

cannakis

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Read this for a different outlook on tilling and organic gardening.


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Awesome I Just saw this, thanks so much! I can't read it open it on my phone hopefully it will on my computer.

But question, if I did not ask... How do you know when to waterif you never let dry out using mulch?
 

Pattahabi

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Awesome I Just saw this, thanks so much! I can't read it open it on my phone hopefully it will on my computer.

But question, if I did not ask... How do you know when to waterif you never let dry out using mulch?
Not an easy question. It's one of those things you will have to kind of figure out. I would stick my finger in the top soil, stick my finger in the drainage holes. Feel how wet it is. Then if the bottom is wet, but top is getting a little dry, just mist the top layer. If it needs more add it. If you see a little run off, hey, maybe that was a little too much.


Peace!
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greasemonkeymann

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Not an easy question. It's one of those things you will have to kind of figure out. I would stick my finger in the top soil, stick my finger in the drainage holes. Feel how wet it is. Then if the bottom is wet, but top is getting a little dry, just mist the top layer. If it needs more add it. If you see a little run off, hey, maybe that was a little too much.


Peace!
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does anybody know if dandelions or comfrey/ nettles etc, needs to be dried prior to soaking in a tea? or is it better fresh? My gut says fresh, after all veggies are more nutritious fresh, but i'm making it into a rotting slimey stinky tea anyways so im not sure, and I searched the entire internet and they all say to let it ferment for weeks, is this the only way to do this? and I also couldn't find out how MUCH to put in a in relation to the water, like a cup of minced dandelion per gallon or two cups, do I use the roots too, flowers? Hmm maybe I should start a thread about this, but i'm quoting you, pattahabi, since you have taught me the most regarding the subject of teas.
can I overdose? is it the same amounts for the comfrey as the dandelion and the nettles? whats the NPK? argh, I have so many questions!
 

Pattahabi

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does anybody know if dandelions or comfrey/ nettles etc, needs to be dried prior to soaking in a tea? or is it better fresh? My gut says fresh, after all veggies are more nutritious fresh, but i'm making it into a rotting slimey stinky tea anyways so im not sure, and I searched the entire internet and they all say to let it ferment for weeks, is this the only way to do this? and I also couldn't find out how MUCH to put in a in relation to the water, like a cup of minced dandelion per gallon or two cups, do I use the roots too, flowers? Hmm maybe I should start a thread about this, but i'm quoting you, pattahabi, since you have taught me the most regarding the subject of teas.
can I overdose? is it the same amounts for the comfrey as the dandelion and the nettles? whats the NPK? argh, I have so many questions!
Hey Grease! My only experience is using them dried. However, I would think it would be as good or better fresh. Maybe someone will chime in that has used it fresh. I'll look and see what I can't dig up.

Peace!
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greasemonkeymann

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Hey Grease! My only experience is using them dried. However, I would think it would be as good or better fresh. Maybe someone will chime in that has used it fresh. I'll look and see what I can't dig up.

Peace!
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thank you, I've been scouring the internet for like a week straight, I have a BUNCH of dandelion and a good amount of comfrey as well. I've found four different internet sources on using the herbs as a nutrient but none of them say how MUCH, nor do they say if I have to make the tea an-aerobic, honestly i'd like to use the tea with some molasses and some fresh EWC, but I don't know if the tea and the AACT will "get along" according to tim the microbe guy sometimes AACTs react badly with other additives, i'm thinking to make them separate.
But is dandelion as potent as comfrey? or Nettles? I just don't know how much I should pack the initial tea with. right now its half full of comfrey and dandelion, and its already turning mushy-black-brownish. Some say dilute to a 15/1 other to 5/1, I guess I should just try on my own, I have some lavender/jasmine and some bamboo that has a similar appetite to my cannabis plants, maybe I'll try to feed them to see if they respond.
that's my back-up plan, always try on the plants you can replace easier
 

Pattahabi

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thank you, I've been scouring the internet for like a week straight, I have a BUNCH of dandelion and a good amount of comfrey as well. I've found four different internet sources on using the herbs as a nutrient but none of them say how MUCH, nor do they say if I have to make the tea an-aerobic, honestly i'd like to use the tea with some molasses and some fresh EWC, but I don't know if the tea and the AACT will "get along" according to tim the microbe guy sometimes AACTs react badly with other additives, i'm thinking to make them separate.
But is dandelion as potent as comfrey? or Nettles? I just don't know how much I should pack the initial tea with. right now its half full of comfrey and dandelion, and its already turning mushy-black-brownish. Some say dilute to a 15/1 other to 5/1, I guess I should just try on my own, I have some lavender/jasmine and some bamboo that has a similar appetite to my cannabis plants, maybe I'll try to feed them to see if they respond.
that's my back-up plan, always try on the plants you can replace easier
I'm going to pose your question to some people far more knowledgeable about this. I'll get back to you as soon as I find something out.

One thing I can tell you is both dandelions and comfrey are dynamic accumulators. Basically, their tap roots travel deep into the earth, pull nutrients and minerals up to the leaves, and stores them there. What this gives us is very nutrient dense plant material.


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