Lollipopping ( Any Scientific Evidence? )

[Uncle Ben]

Nice job Doer. Goes without saying...the defoliated plant on the right is stunted.

duh......

 

[Doer]

call it trolling if you want, but in topic with the thread title, I posted evidence from real growers in the real world growing real shit and pulling real weight right now. Nothing you have ever said or posted is in-line with, or carries half the merit of, modern professional growers. New growers that try to emulate your grows from your college days are missing out, but not my problem.

No experiments. Some guy nattering about missing the boat.

Note the thread title, please.

 

[Doer]

Like Obama, you're a fuck up.

Yeah, and Jorge should know and we should listen.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Yeah, and Jorge should know and we should listen.

But, but....Jorge is not one of THE "modern professional growers" (snort snort).

 

[TexasHank]

In the first post of this thread, the bottom 3 plants are Sweetooth. https://www.rollitup.org/t/no-lower-budsites-do-not-need-light-to-develop-get-educated.829061/ They were crammed in such the NO light could reach the lower levels. And look at those lower levels. Some of the nugget collections are wider than the main cola!



It's just simple botany - not hearsay, conjecture, seeing what we want to see.

Good luck,
Tio

P.S. - I see the village troll is out, the official wacked out Uncle Ben stalker.

Hey UB.. Yeah, I agree with you. I do not at all think that popcorn is caused by lower light levels... Not one bit..
I have some plants that produce really nice lower buds (not popcorn).. even when crammed in 1 per sq ft, barely getting any light at all.. Then I have plants (like my green crack, skunk and sweet tooth 1.1) that will put out lots of popcorn.. even when the plants didn't quite fill the canopy and light is reaching down there more than usual.
That leads me to believe that it is a genetic thing.. but, that's just a guess.


I don't know anything about "energy".. I don't think that low light levels cause the popcorn.. I just remove some of those lower bud sites as they never get big enough to trim and I just end up knocking them all to hell with my watering wand anyway..

Also, I have gone back and forth between thinking that removing lower bud sites (but never leaves attached) increase the size of the other bud sites/buds..

It has been a while since I took part in one of these threads.. while I am here anyway.. I am curious what you think about all of this ^ UB..

I trust/value your opinion.. it would be very helpful.

 

[chuck estevez]

I got this from another forum,
The reason that people like Jorge Cervantes say that defoliation isn't worth it, is that they almost always grow in the same style, and the way they grow, defoliation doesn't do any good. They pack in a bunch of plants and put 1000 watters over them. The light is so intense that even with all of the fan leaves, the lower buds still get adequate light. Because of this, the amount of stress caused by defoliating doesn't amount to enough gains to be worth doing. What they don't understand is that not everyone grows this way, and if you have a lot less light, then the stress caused by defoliating could definitely be worth it to get light to the lower bud-sites and get a more developed structure.

Pretty much sums up what I always say, If your lower bud isn't getting enough light, Get a better light, don't yank the sugar factories off.

 

[Doer]

But, but....Jorge is not one of THE "modern professional growers".

No, not one of. THE MAIN And what I like, is he does the work, to talk the talk.

 

[Doer]

Here is a guy that is being talked into plant rape on ICmag. But, he really has a good grow with some minor problems.

First comment:
Some of those large fans you have are ridiculous and not doing much for your plants now. I have never seen fans with such long stems?

Now this is the valuable comment.

248 pages (on this topic) and not one side by side. hmmmm you ever wonder why? lol I bet the non-touched one would smoke the skinned plant in veg and yield more at the end
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[TexasHank]

I got this from another forum,
The reason that people like Jorge Cervantes say that defoliation isn't worth it, is that they almost always grow in the same style, and the way they grow, defoliation doesn't do any good. They pack in a bunch of plants and put 1000 watters over them. The light is so intense that even with all of the fan leaves, the lower buds still get adequate light. Because of this, the amount of stress caused by defoliating doesn't amount to enough gains to be worth doing. What they don't understand is that not everyone grows this way, and if you have a lot less light, then the stress caused by defoliating could definitely be worth it to get light to the lower bud-sites and get a more developed structure.

Pretty much sums up what I always say, If your lower bud isn't getting enough light, Get a better light, don't yank the sugar factories off.

In the first post of this thread, the bottom 3 plants are Sweetooth. https://www.rollitup.org/t/no-lower-budsites-do-not-need-light-to-develop-get-educated.829061/ They were crammed in such the NO light could reach the lower levels. And look at those lower levels. Some of the nugget collections are wider than the main cola!



It's just simple botany - not hearsay, conjecture, seeing what we want to see.

Good luck,
Tio

P.S. - I see the village troll is out, the official wacked out Uncle Ben stalker.

God Damn, UB! That is a fucking beautiful plant..

I love sweet tooth.. it is a phenomenal plant.

 

[Jussblaz3420]

I lollipop my plants and it works for me... Theyre crammed in my closet and not much light gets to the bottom at all so all the lower fans yellow and die off so i just lollipop it all after the stretch. Whatever u find suits ur grow best, there is no right or wrong, people will believe what they want

 

[TexasHank]

Oh, you use only vegetable for your nutrition. Do you eat eggs? Jiskiddin

Bloom nutes, what a crock. These are not even blooms, they are bracts.

And hops vines are never lollypopped. No medicine plant I know of is grown for looks, save ganja.

I picked up a bottle of DG Bloom recently and tried mixing it in with the flowering cycle..
I only used a little bit.. and only when the plants were already super green.. I so no improvement..

I have about half a bottle left and doubt I will use it. Veg nutes from seed to smoke is my style, for sure.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Hey UB.. Yeah, I agree with you. I do not at all think that popcorn is caused by lower light levels... Not one bit..
I have some plants that produce really nice lower buds (not popcorn).. even when crammed in 1 per sq ft, barely getting any light at all.. Then I have plants (like my green crack, skunk and sweet tooth 1.1) that will put out lots of popcorn.. even when the plants didn't quite fill the canopy and light is reaching down there more than usual.
That leads me to believe that it is a genetic thing.. but, that's just a guess.


I don't know anything about "energy".. I don't think that low light levels cause the popcorn.. I just remove some of those lower bud sites as they never get big enough to trim and I just end up knocking them all to hell with my watering wand anyway..

Also, I have gone back and forth between thinking that removing lower bud sites (but never leaves attached) increase the size of the other bud sites/buds..

It has been a while since I took part in one of these threads.. while I am here anyway.. I am curious what you think about all of this ^ UB..

I trust/value your opinion.. it would be very helpful.

We're singing from the same sheet of music.

Welcome back!

 

[Doer]

View attachment 3271750 View attachment 3271751 I lollipop my plants and it works for me... Theyre crammed in my closet and not much light gets to the bottom at all so all the lower fans yellow and die off so i just lollipop it all after the stretch. Whatever u find suits ur grow best, there is no right or wrong, people will believe what they want

In science, right or wrong have to nothing to do with it. We are after facts proven by Method, not conjecture and superstition.

You are assuming PAR does not reach those bottom fans and you are WRONG about that fact.

But, you just wanted to show your bud porn. That's OK. I thank you for that.

 

[TexasHank]

We're singing from the same sheet of music.

Welcome back!

Good deal..

For real though.. those Sweet Tooth pics are fucking great man.. I've seen the avatar one, obviously, but seeing it full size and seeing those others.. wow, you can DEFINITELY throw down indoors.

I am doing a journal for someone here on RIU, but, I can't hang out here too much.. THis place brings the ornery out of me.. BAD!!

 

[Uncle Ben]

I got this from another forum,
The reason that people like Jorge Cervantes say that defoliation isn't worth it, is that they almost always grow in the same style, and the way they grow, defoliation doesn't do any good. They pack in a bunch of plants and put 1000 watters over them. The light is so intense that even with all of the fan leaves, the lower buds still get adequate light. Because of this, the amount of stress caused by defoliating doesn't amount to enough gains to be worth doing. What they don't understand is that not everyone grows this way, and if you have a lot less light, then the stress caused by defoliating could definitely be worth it to get light to the lower bud-sites and get a more developed structure.

Pretty much sums up what I always say, If your lower bud isn't getting enough light, Get a better light, don't yank the sugar factories off.

OK, but explain my Sweettooth and other plants that I linked to that don't get ANY light but still produced these huge chunky nuggets. Growing style doesn't have a thing to do with it in my experience. I've had popcorn buds on outdoor grown plants and big chunky nuggets on indoor grown which suggests to me that TexasHank might be on to something.

Tio

 

[Jussblaz3420]

In science, right or wrong have to nothing to do with it. We are after facts proven my Method, not conjecture and superstition.

You are assuming PAR does not reach those bottom fan and you are WRONG about that fact.

But, you just wanted to show your bud porn. That's OK. I thank you for that.

Well everything on the bottom doesnt amount to much in my setup, thats just how it is, you could hit me with all the scientific hoopla u want but my eyes dont lie, and neither do my plants. Im not assuming anything, if u can see the leaves then they are getting light obviously, but in my style of growing it works better for me to cut some of the lower growth off, helps with air circulation, less shit to trim, and not having to deal with little fluffy bullshit nuggs that arent even worth smoking

 

[chuck estevez]

OK, but explain my Sweettooth and other plants that I linked to that don't get ANY light but still produced these huge chunky nuggets. Growing style doesn't have a thing to do with it in my experience. I've had popcorn buds on outdoor grown plants and big chunky nuggets on indoor grown which suggests to me that TexasHank might be on to something.

Tio

Yeah, that is just someone else's opinion. I have scrawny Real og's that just naturally have very little leaf and the lower nugs never get huge,even though they receive plenty of light.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Here is a guy that is being talked into plant rape on ICmag. But, he really has a good grow with some minor problems.

First comment:
Some of those large fans you have are ridiculous and not doing much for your plants now. I have never seen fans with such long stems?

Do these pinheads ever THINK? I mean, has he ever considered that the long petioles are like the long arms, solar panels that stick out on the international space to collect photons in the most effective manner possible?

 

[Uncle Ben]

View attachment 3271750 View attachment 3271751 I lollipop my plants and it works for me... Theyre crammed in my closet and not much light gets to the bottom at all so all the lower fans yellow and die off so i just lollipop it all after the stretch. Whatever u find suits ur grow best, there is no right or wrong, people will believe what they want

You have a nutritional issue, has nothing to do with light.

 

[chuck estevez]

Well everything on the bottom doesnt amount to much in my setup, thats just how it is, you could hit me with all the scientific hoopla u want but my eyes dont lie, and neither do my plants. Im not assuming anything, if u can see the leaves then they are getting light obviously, but in my style of growing it works better for me to cut some of the lower growth off, helps with air circulation, less shit to trim, and not having to deal with little fluffy bullshit nuggs that arent even worth smoking

Isn't that what it really comes down to? you don't like the looks and you don't want to trim it. Anything that is LARF in my grow goes into making wax, so, All that Isn't wasted in my garden. Especially when I'm paying top dollar for electricity.