Lollipopping ( Any Scientific Evidence? )

[Ninjabowler]

You are like most noobs who have been sucked into the big cola mutt hype with some cute name that sucks in the kids, never grown a real sativa and wouldn't know what to do with it if you did, and certainly haven't grown outdoors. If you had any outdoors growing experience you wouldn't be trumpeting some stupid forum paradigm about popcorn buds presenting themselves because of a lack of light....you'd know better. You'd also garnish my respect.

Again, my red sig applies to the T.

Speaking of your attempt at Snootie Pot Nirvana I also have posted quite a few pictures of outdoor grown TFD O. Haze, 7' tall plants. Where have you been, hanging out with the other dimwitted bros? And for the record, the O. Haze that I grew is the real haze, not some sucker bet knockoff with indica that is not true to form. You tell me what the original Haze was. What's the genetic makeup of the real Haze?

Uncle Ben

Your right, ive never grown a straight sativa. Nor would i want to. That thing looks like an ornimental pot plant. Grown more for show than to actually consume. Those genetics died in marketability decades ago. Only you would dig them back up, throw on a bandana and crank up the music. The THC content is probably so low on that landrace sativa that you can smoke thumb sized joints. I can barely smoke more than two hits of my "new school" weed and im lights out.
It doesnt surprise me that your bragging about some weed that you used to smoke back in vietnam though. That was your generation, cool, i get it. Weve come a long way with marijuana breeding since then though. Nobody wants haze anymore, they want kushes and weed that tastes like cherries or blueberries. Medical patients have a choice these days on what kind of pot theyd like instead of whats the only thing around. And that "big cola mutt hype" you speak of is what drives the industry that you sit on the sidelines of and curse at it for its new strains and alien growing practices.
Ben if you would have taken the time to read my posts youd know that im not a fan of extream lolly popping. I dont butcher my plants, i hate seeing savagely mutilated plants and i am a fan of keeping as many fan leaves on as possible. I just trim a little bush off in the centers and call it good because thats where the bad pot grows in an indoor grow, and to me your only as good as the bag of weed your holding, and id like to be just a little better than the next guy.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Your right, ive never grown a straight sativa. Nor would i want to.

But you ridicule those who are up to the challenge to grow what most consider the ultimate high?

.......I give up.

 

[TexasHank]

Do these pinheads ever THINK? I mean, has he ever considered that the long petioles are like the long arms, solar panels that stick out on the international space to collect photons in the most effective manner possible?

It's really this simple.. leaves are good for your plant.

Yeah, that is just silly..

 

[Jussblaz3420]

You have a nutritional issue, has nothing to do with light.

Its only the very lower parts of my plants that are crammed together, i mean like really crammed, everything else is green and healthy as can be, havent had any yellowing or anything since lollipopping weeks ago. Everything is copacetic

 

[Doer]

Well everything on the bottom doesnt amount to much in my setup, thats just how it is, you could hit me with all the scientific hoopla u want but my eyes dont lie, and neither do my plants. Im not assuming anything, if u can see the leaves then they are getting light obviously, but in my style of growing it works better for me to cut some of the lower growth off, helps with air circulation, less shit to trim, and not having to deal with little fluffy bullshit nuggs that arent even worth smoking

Eyes lie, the mind imposes patterns that are not there. We have science to counter your superstition.
You have a scale. It will beat your eyeball every time.

Check the thread title.

I post side by side experiments.

The bottom nugs are often stronger and I do smoke those.

Power up your fans and add side lights, increase your yield and live forever, Samuari.

 

[Jussblaz3420]

Eyes lie, the mind imposes patterns that are not there. We have science to counter your superstition.
You have a scale. It will beat your eyeball every time.

Check the thread title.

I post side by side experiments.

The bottom nugs are often stronger and I do smoke those.

Power up your fans and add side lights, increase your yield and live forever, Samuari.

Exactly my point, i dont have the space to add more lights n then battle with temps. So in turn i strip off the bottom bullshit, not here to argue with anyone, im sure most of you have plenty more experience than me, im just sharing what works for me. Happy growing to everyone.

 

[Doer]

is really this simple.. leaves are good for your plants.

Of course they are. The plant is not stupid. Some of the RIU guys, though, seem pretty woolly headed.

 

[TexasHank]

Your right, ive never grown a straight sativa. Nor would i want to. That thing looks like an ornimental pot plant. Grown more for show than to actually consume. Those genetics died in marketability decades ago. Only you would dig them back up, throw on a bandana and crank up the music. The THC content is probably so low on that landrace sativa that you can smoke thumb sized joints. I can barely smoke more than two hits of my "new school" weed and im lights out.
It doesnt surprise me that your bragging about some weed that you used to smoke back in vietnam though. That was your generation, cool, i get it. Weve come a long way with marijuana breeding since then though. Nobody wants haze anymore, they want kushes and weed that tastes like cherries or blueberries. Medical patients have a choice these days on what kind of pot theyd like instead of whats the only thing around. And that "big cola mutt hype" you speak of is what drives the industry that you sit on the sidelines of and curse at it for its new strains and alien growing practices.
Ben if you would have taken the time to read my posts youd know that im not a fan of extream lolly popping. I dont butcher my plants, i hate seeing savagely mutilated plants and i am a fan of keeping as many fan leaves on as possible. I just trim a little bush off in the centers and call it good because thats where the bad pot grows in an indoor grow, and to me your only as good as the bag of weed your holding, and id like to be just a little better than the next guy.

Having met UB.. I really like this picture.. UB puts on his baddest bandana and cranks the tunes.. crosses his arms and over looks his Dalat plants...

That made my day..

In all seriousness though.. there are many of us who are thrilled to get some old school sativa genetics. UB is not alone in appreciation for a real deal sativa, not even close.

 

[Doer]

Exactly my point, i dont have the space to add more lights n then battle with temps. So in turn i strip off the bottom bullshit, not here to argue with anyone, im sure most of you have plenty more experience than me, im just sharing what works for me. Happy growing to everyone.

Well your grow is your grow, but this is a science thread.

The question is if the yield will increase if you do not "strip the bullshit" (oh your girls must love that attitude) You simply don't know. What works for you is not the subject at hand, alas.

 

[Uncle Ben]

I picked up a bottle of DG Bloom recently and tried mixing it in with the flowering cycle..
I only used a little bit.. and only when the plants were already super green.. I so no improvement..

Homebrewer who knows all about experimental design and control did such a journal regarding NPK values. He compared the final weight using a high N food from start to finish on clones, DG's Foliage Pro, 9-3-6...... and DG's Grow, 7-9-5. He had the pix as the garden progressed until harvest and the final bud weights. The high N Fo Pro produced 10% more according to him. The leaves were a productive dark green color, no leaf losses, which means more chlorophyll producing carbos and such,

UB

 

[Uncle Ben]

Having met UB.. I really like this picture.. UB puts on his baddest bandana and cranks the tunes.. crosses his arms and over looks his Dalat plants...

That made my day..

In all seriousness though.. there are many of us who are thrilled to get some old school sativa genetics. UB is not alone in appreciation for a real deal sativa, not even close.

Heartland Hank, is that you?

 

[Jussblaz3420]

Well your grow is your grow, but this is a science thread.

The question is if the yield will increase if you do not "strip the bullshit" (oh your girls must love that attitude) You simply don't know. What works for you is not the subject at hand, alas.

so then whats the answer buddy? I wanna see some pi charts and graphs, a control and a variable, side by sides and then everything tried trimmed n thrown on a scale... Multiple times, until then ima do what works for me. And yea my bitches love my attitude, when im mad i tie them down and lock em in the closet... Oh wait did u mean my plants?

 

[Doer]

Its only the very lower parts of my plants that are crammed together, i mean like really crammed, everything else is green and healthy as can be, havent had any yellowing or anything since lollipopping weeks ago. Everything is copacetic

If you have yellowing you need nitrogen and maybe sulfur. NO BLOOM FOOD. These are not Blooms.

IAC, if you strip it all off, how can you tell if light was the problem?

If you don't run the experiments in your space, how can you expect to contribute to the real knowledge?

Here is some science on under canopy, ie side lighting.

http://www.academia.edu/478882/Increasing_plant_productivity_in_closed_environments_with_inner_canopy_illumination

 

[TexasHank]

Heartland Hank, is that you?

Yeah, sorry I thought you knew that..
I lost my HH name a while ago with a password change.. I can't remember for the life of me what I changed it to.. I was not coming around here too often and I just forgot it..

I've tried to get Admin to retrieve the password for me a few times, but it has not happened.

 

[Jussblaz3420]

If you have yellowing you need nitrogen and maybe sulfur. NO BLOOM FOOD. These are not Blooms.

IAC, if you strip it all off, how can you tell if light was the problem?

If you don't run the experiments in your space, how can you expect to contribute to the real knowledge?

Here is some science on under canopy, ie side lighting.

http://www.academia.edu/478882/Increasing_plant_productivity_in_closed_environments_with_inner_canopy_illumination

Lol my man i feed my plants everything they need, nitrogen is not an issue, like i said, everything is healthy as can be and has been for weeks, the very bottom leaves where theres hardly any light were the only ones to yellow off and since stripping them, havent had a single leaf turn yellow on me.

 

[TexasHank]

Well your grow is your grow, but this is a science thread.

The question is if the yield will increase if you do not "strip the bullshit" (oh your girls must love that attitude) You simply don't know. What works for you is not the subject at hand, alas.

I kind of needed a reminder that the mind will lead you wrong at times..

It is like one of my good friends says.. "A plant will prove your wrong, every time"..

I should really stop removing the lower bud sites on my popcorn producers and use it or hash.. I think the only thing it is doing for me is giving my head a sense of a job well done..

I think that since I leave the leaves attached to the site the harm is minimal, but, there is still harm, I believe.

 

[TexasHank]

Your right, ive never grown a straight sativa. Nor would i want to. That thing looks like an ornimental pot plant. Grown more for show than to actually consume. Those genetics died in marketability decades ago. Only you would dig them back up, throw on a bandana and crank up the music. The THC content is probably so low on that landrace sativa that you can smoke thumb sized joints. I can barely smoke more than two hits of my "new school" weed and im lights out.
It doesnt surprise me that your bragging about some weed that you used to smoke back in vietnam though. That was your generation, cool, i get it. Weve come a long way with marijuana breeding since then though. Nobody wants haze anymore, they want kushes and weed that tastes like cherries or blueberries. Medical patients have a choice these days on what kind of pot theyd like instead of whats the only thing around. And that "big cola mutt hype" you speak of is what drives the industry that you sit on the sidelines of and curse at it for its new strains and alien growing practices.
Ben if you would have taken the time to read my posts youd know that im not a fan of extream lolly popping. I dont butcher my plants, i hate seeing savagely mutilated plants and i am a fan of keeping as many fan leaves on as possible. I just trim a little bush off in the centers and call it good because thats where the bad pot grows in an indoor grow, and to me your only as good as the bag of weed your holding, and id like to be just a little better than the next guy.

And when the newschool MJ lines have all been bred into a corner of mutants.. you better hope someone still has some of these old school seeds..

I don't want to get on your bad side Ninjabowler. What you have with UB is between you two.. I try to stay neutral.. but, on the old school sat thing, I had to step up and say something..

 

[Doer]

Here is a peer reviewed paper on trying to see if you can reduce tranperancy of leaves to PAR. on a certain plant important to the biosphere.

The fact is they are transparent and what could change that? Well excess UV-B will. So, that is how science works.

https://lup.lub.lu.se/luur/download?func=downloadFile&recordOId=133518&fileOId=624376
Under elevated UV-B light green spots on leav
es became less transparent to PAR, which
is probably due to a structural change in the
mesophyll, since the pigment content was not
affected.

 

[Ninjabowler]

First NInja you have to standardize and control the experiment. And that would include wieghing all the material you took off. That is how you define lollibpoping, I'd say.

I am not sure what you do, I would call lollypop. iac, EXPERIMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE.

Here is just one example. Just search google images for lollypop cannabis experiments.

"my twins lollipop experiment
clones from my unknown med No.2
both got the same exact regiment from day one
when flowering started one was lollipop'd and the other was left untouched
1L pot; 8 weeks (two in flowering), about 70cm/2ft tall"
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=243100&page=3

Really, if you do this and I have, the difference in low cola yield is amazing. Don't throw away buds and make a straggly, uhealthly looking plant like the one on the right.

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Oh, this will yield. NOT

Hahahaaa, i could have told ya that wouldnt work lol. And no, i dont do whats in those pictures, thats hilarious and just bad growing practice. I have several outdoor grows planned for next year and once again ill probably just trim out some of the center in the bottom and maybe take off a couple small hidden, and short branches. I think arguing with mr. All or nothing never touch a fan leaf or youll lose 40% off your yield has made me look like a plant butcher as well. Ive seen first hand what these people harvest and it isnt much, theres no way i ever want my plants to look like that either. What mr. All or nothing needs to realize is that its all about a happy medium for the best results.

 

[Doer]

so then whats the answer buddy? I wanna see some pi charts and graphs, a control and a variable, side by sides and then everything tried trimmed n thrown on a scale... Multiple times, until then ima do what works for me. And yea my bitches love my attitude, when im mad i tie them down and lock em in the closet... Oh wait did u mean my plants?

The answer is up to you, not me. That scale work, with a control, repeated many times, is for you. I follow in the footsteps of the giants of botany, not the purveors of Myth. I an not out to prove anything. This is a science discussion and there are no proofs, only results of carefully laid experiments.

Your grow is unique. You can experiment, and tell us.