5 NL autos- they looking ok?
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growdiesel
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ok my question was more towards does the all red 90wRR ufo light really boost it that much. the manufacturer and a few other si see gorwig with it use it. i ordered it anyway and i can always return it if i find no point..
my thoughts r i will take out one of my 300watt (68 tru watt) CFL's and add the all red 90wat booster. hopefully thatll put out same heat as the giant CFL i am removing so there wont be an increase in heat.
my thoughts r i will take out one of my 300watt (68 tru watt) CFL's and add the all red 90wat booster. hopefully thatll put out same heat as the giant CFL i am removing so there wont be an increase in heat.
indianajones
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more is not always better with LED, that's just regurgitated
HID advice. you have plenty of light in there, just be patient
and watch the plant grow. over thinking is the #1 newbie mistake.
IME growing with LEDs, 40w/sq ft was too much, ~30 was the
sweet spot.
you could just remove the CFLs, they are so inefficient and while
they do grow bud, they make a lot of heat for how much bud they
grow. seems your temps are in a pretty good range though, and
the plants look pretty happy, especially for a newbie grower.
autoflowers don't need much food, so whenever it comes time to
flower ONLY USE 5mL PER GALLON OF THE BUDDHA BLOOM
sorry for the caps, but over fertilizing is the #2 newbie mistake.
lots of newer folks want to use the directions on the label, and
i'm pretty sure those directions are for heavy feeding tomatoes
when applying fertilizers only once a week. using 5mL per gallon
should adjust the pH to an optimal range and if you do over fert,
it won't be by a large degree. use 5mL with every watering. do you
know what pH your water is out of the tap?
you mentioned you had roots organics as a medium, which bag
is it? here's a link to their page, if you could find which bag you
used that would be good knowledge so i can help you as the grow
progresses.
HID advice. you have plenty of light in there, just be patient
and watch the plant grow. over thinking is the #1 newbie mistake.
IME growing with LEDs, 40w/sq ft was too much, ~30 was the
sweet spot.
you could just remove the CFLs, they are so inefficient and while
they do grow bud, they make a lot of heat for how much bud they
grow. seems your temps are in a pretty good range though, and
the plants look pretty happy, especially for a newbie grower.
autoflowers don't need much food, so whenever it comes time to
flower ONLY USE 5mL PER GALLON OF THE BUDDHA BLOOM
sorry for the caps, but over fertilizing is the #2 newbie mistake.
lots of newer folks want to use the directions on the label, and
i'm pretty sure those directions are for heavy feeding tomatoes
when applying fertilizers only once a week. using 5mL per gallon
should adjust the pH to an optimal range and if you do over fert,
it won't be by a large degree. use 5mL with every watering. do you
know what pH your water is out of the tap?
you mentioned you had roots organics as a medium, which bag
is it? here's a link to their page, if you could find which bag you
used that would be good knowledge so i can help you as the grow
progresses.
growdiesel
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http://htgsupply.com/Product-Roots-Organic-Potting-Soil-1.5-Cubic-Feet
there is the link to the bag i use. i have a PH meter and i do a PH test with the liquids and such for color matching...
my water i am using is distilled water witha 6.8-7.1 PH havent tested higher yet.
using 3 gallon bags
i have been using only 10ML / gallon of buddha grow so far and i was uppiong it to 15ML/ gallon this week but havent watered yet with 15. every other watering i use regular distilled at the Ph stated.
when i mix the nutes i make PH level at about 6.4-6.6 and my run off is typically around a 5.3-5.5 PH. which i would believe my run off would be a 6.4-6.6PH if i do the math properly... ph of soil= PH run off + difference of starting PH'd water/nutes.
started with we will say 6.5 PH nuted water and run off was 5.4ph ... so 5.4ph + 1.1PH (difference) = 6.5PH or so.. hopefully im not far off with that.
i will start off by adding the 90watt all red LED to my set up and removing the ONE CFL that would be in its way and i will leave the other two. if i am having heat issues then i will remove the other CFL's and just leave myself with the 450watt (280 draw) LED and the 90watt (82w draw) for only a total of 362watts... hopefuilly i can leave two CFL's and add another 136 watts to that to total 498 watts... THAAAAT would be alot of light i believe. you think thats over kill??
grasscropper
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I would sit back and see how things go with this grow. I know how you feel.. you want more and more. I was the same. I now have 3 LED panels which are all in use, but I still really really want to try an HPS. But for the size of my grow I am just spending money I don't need to spend ..... wait until you see how things go. Just my thoughts.
indianajones
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^^^ wise words right there
good choice of potting soil, i thought that stuff was awesome when i used it.
good choice with the distilled water as well, water quality is very important.
i always tried to use the nutrients as a pH adjustment solution. add enough
nutrients per gallon to get the pH to ~6.4, and go with it. it is simpler than
having to pH adjust and the plants were always happy.
in my experiences, measuring runoff in an organic medium was not very
effective. the water soluble fractions from microbial breakdown make the
solution coming out different from what was going in, even taking leftover
nutes in the root zone into account.
why not finish the run how you started it, then try adding the LED next round?
my experiences have shown me that plants have to adjust to different light
sources, so the change might stress them, that stress can adversely effect
yield with an auto grow. honestly, the 280w LED is plenty of light for that tent.
it would be more efficient (both in energy and yield) to take that all red LED and
put it in a second tent with a couple blue (~6500k) CFLs or screw in LED lamps.
if you have a home depot locally, check out cree model #
BA21-16050OMF-12DE26-1U100
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cree-100W-Equivalent-Daylight-5000K-A21-Dimmable-LED-Light-Bulb-5-Pack-BA21-16050OMF-12DE26-1U100/205083141?N=5yc1vZbm79Zbol
if you don't have a home depot there's always the internet!
if you were to get another 2x3 tent and put your all red LED and 4 of those cree
bulbs it would be 90w (all red) + 72w cree 5000k = 162w or 27w per square foot.
that would give you twice the space and 400w worth of light for flower. keep the
CFLs in the tent with the 240w space if you want to keep using them.
growdiesel
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thanks for all the input guys. i will leave it the way it is with the LED thats in there right now for the first grow.
indianajones.... that was a good idea about another 2x3x5 tent. i will be converting an entire close tinto a grow so when i do tha ti will take out the 2x3 tent and use that as you had specified... my original plan was to use it as a growing chamber with an extraction and stuff to keep smells minimal.
Day 22 update pics
Seem to be doing much better then they had been. Only feeding them 15-20ml/gallon of Buddha grow right now. Will prob introduce a small dose Buddha bloom mixed with Buddha grow starting next week.
Should I space,them out more? I just haven't bc I want to be sure the LED is hitting all angles of the plant. I turn them n rotate positions every few days.
indianajones.... that was a good idea about another 2x3x5 tent. i will be converting an entire close tinto a grow so when i do tha ti will take out the 2x3 tent and use that as you had specified... my original plan was to use it as a growing chamber with an extraction and stuff to keep smells minimal.
Day 22 update pics
Seem to be doing much better then they had been. Only feeding them 15-20ml/gallon of Buddha grow right now. Will prob introduce a small dose Buddha bloom mixed with Buddha grow starting next week.
Should I space,them out more? I just haven't bc I want to be sure the LED is hitting all angles of the plant. I turn them n rotate positions every few days.
growdiesel
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how much LED watts would be needed for a nice yield for a 2'x5.5'x7' grow closet? going to starting putting together a second grow area.
indianajones
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the two leds you have now with the CFL supplemental bulbs should be plenty.
growdiesel
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ok so i would just order another set of everything i have is what you think? this will be an ADDITIONAL grow to what i have right now.
indianajones
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no, the 90w all red and the 240w mix spectrum are plenty. remember to
calculate in terms of watts per square foot. the closet you're talking about is
2'x5.5'=11 sq ft.
240w+90w= 330w
330w/11sq ft= 30w/sq ft
30w per sq ft is plenty of juice for LEDs, but with the one being all red i would
recommend a little bit of blended spectrum/dual light source on that side.
if you drop a few of those CFLs into the corners on the all red side that will be
plenty of light.
calculate in terms of watts per square foot. the closet you're talking about is
2'x5.5'=11 sq ft.
240w+90w= 330w
330w/11sq ft= 30w/sq ft
30w per sq ft is plenty of juice for LEDs, but with the one being all red i would
recommend a little bit of blended spectrum/dual light source on that side.
if you drop a few of those CFLs into the corners on the all red side that will be
plenty of light.
growdiesel
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Ok perfect. Thanks.
growdiesel
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Here's the grow,currently...
Any changes to be made or opinions?
Silver duct to,left,front is intake from fresh air.
Two clip on fans carbon filter in to right corner. Intake n ventilation both by 4" 170cfm high velocity inline fan.
Any changes to be made or opinions?
Silver duct to,left,front is intake from fresh air.
Two clip on fans carbon filter in to right corner. Intake n ventilation both by 4" 170cfm high velocity inline fan.
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TheYokel
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Looks great to me
growdiesel
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Changed the plants home a bit. No more tent. Now whole closet with tons of room still n I have 14 more NL auto seeds. 
Here are some pics of the new set up waiting on a mars 2 700watt. Will be here by Wednesday then that'll be the final touches.
This Will be a LED 850 actual watt grow room.
Have a spare tent n a 400 watt hps now..... Maybe In use eventually.
Pictures below.
Here are some pics of the new set up waiting on a mars 2 700watt. Will be here by Wednesday then that'll be the final touches.
This Will be a LED 850 actual watt grow room.
Have a spare tent n a 400 watt hps now..... Maybe In use eventually.
Pictures below.
growdiesel
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Thanks man
I don't follow with the taco action?? You mean bc they r so close together? I'm gun spread them out when I get that next light in a few days.
indianajones
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the leaves are curled up like a hard shell taco, sign of transpiration
stress caused by low ambient humidity. get your humidity up to 50%
and they will uncurl. there are several ways to accomplish this, you
can either buy a humidifier with a digital monitoring system, which
will run you around ~$100 and have a ~2 gallon reservoir, or you can
buy an ultrasonic mister and humidity controller for the same price
and put it in a bucket. I preferred the mister/controller/bucket because
it was a larger res and required less work. If one of the parts break
you only have to replace one piece, as opposed to the if the humidifier
shits the bed you have to replace the whole thing.
stress caused by low ambient humidity. get your humidity up to 50%
and they will uncurl. there are several ways to accomplish this, you
can either buy a humidifier with a digital monitoring system, which
will run you around ~$100 and have a ~2 gallon reservoir, or you can
buy an ultrasonic mister and humidity controller for the same price
and put it in a bucket. I preferred the mister/controller/bucket because
it was a larger res and required less work. If one of the parts break
you only have to replace one piece, as opposed to the if the humidifier
shits the bed you have to replace the whole thing.
indianajones
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now that you have the closet and a tent, you can start running
photo sensitive strains. use one for moms and veg, and the
other for flowering.
photo sensitive strains. use one for moms and veg, and the
other for flowering.
growdiesel
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Ok I'll deff work on humidity issue. Those pics were right after the light came back on n they are usual pretty dropped, then perk right back up.
I have a humidifier in there, to the left hanging but it's not doing shit.,maybe because I have it hanging n should put it in the floor bc my exhaust is up high so humidifier might bee getting sucked right up into exhaust. On opposite sides of the room but maybe.