Capitalism loses

[Dr Kynes]

China is ruled by a nominally communist party.

That party has set up special economic zones where different principles apply.

They are not a nation state, they are a civilization state. A concept hard to grasp by westerners.

We didn't believe them when they said they'd take Hong Kong and be 1 country 2 systems. They did.

the chinese system is demonstrably Socialist.

"Communism" is their slogan, but "Socialism" is how they act.

http://www.socialismtoday.org/122/hybrid.html

the "communist" party still controls their economy through top down "socialism with a chinese characteristic"

 

[Dr Kynes]

Did you miss the part where I told you to go fuck yourself?

I'll never get involved in another endless discussion with you again because you refuse to admit when you're wrong. I've shown that I can admit when I'm wrong on an issue, and Buck will back me up on this when I believed Obama's administration was putting more legal marijuana dispensaries away for legal actions. And since you don't like buck because you're diametrically opposed to anything left of far right, ask Herrakin who will also back me up.

Admitting fault is part of honest dialogue, you're a dishonest person. So once again..

Go Fuck Yourself.

see smokey's response? he argues his position, and despite being wrong, we can discuss it.

if he were to demonstrate (somehow) that china actually has implemented "communism", i would accept his assertion.

 

[Padawanbater2]

see smokey's response? he argues his position, and despite being wrong, we can discuss it.

if he were to demonstrate (somehow) that china actually has implemented "communism", i would accept his assertion.

Because he's a self-identified conservative

You do not afford liberals or liberal positions this same gratuity. Why pretend like you do?

 

[Dr Kynes]

Because he's a self-identified conservative

You do not afford liberals or liberal positions this same gratuity. Why pretend like you do?

that's just your butthurt talking.

go ahead and read back.

i stated my position vis a vis china's socialist authoritarian version of Marxism, and YOU started squawking, not that i was wrong, no, you couldnt make that claim, my assertion is factual.

theres 2 possible reasons why you didnt argue the facts

A) you have read Marx, and knew it to be true, but you felt the need to Right Fight anyway

B) you didnt know if it was factual or not, but your record on arguing facts is dismal so you simply aborted any attempt to argue the issue and started in with the fallacies early.

thats when you decided to unleash a weak Ad Hom against me, rather than state a position, which the astute observer notes, you still have not done.

your position remains unstated, you have merely sent forth a stream of fallacies, from Ad Hominem to Strawman, to Red Herring, to False Equivalency, to False Dilemma, and still have not actually made an argument.

 

[Padawanbater2]

You bitch and complain til the end of the earth, it doesn't matter what anyone says. You feel that if you bitch long enough and loud enough, you win. I'm afraid to inform you, that's not the case in legitimate dialogue.

 

[Dr Kynes]

that's not the case in legitimate dialogue.

how would you know?

 

[Padawanbater2]

how would you know?

Because all you do is bitch and complain then announce "flawless victory" when everyone else is audibly sighing at your consistent failures to present facts or defend your position

 

[desert dude]

Another thread with supercilious progs getting their intellectual asses handed to them, then they trot out the "you so racist" totem.

LULZ

 

[Dr Kynes]

it's like arguing with a crazy woman.

Me: "I gave you that $200 to pay the light bill, not buy shoes!"
Her: "Well i wanted you to wash the dishes last thursday and you didnt!!"
Me: "Because i couldnt get the new pump for the dishwasher till friday!"
Her: "Now you're changing the subject!!"

and thats when i realized she was a raging bitch.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Keep crying persecution of the white majority while over 190 cities nationwide prove you wrong demanding unionization and a $15/hour minimum wage, keep crying persecution while new Keynesian economics continues to takes root and provide resistance to economic inequality, keep crying persecution while job growth and domestic energy production is at record highs. You've built your political ideology on professional victimhood. Your consistent emotional cries are a testament to how weak your position is, how obsolete it is, and how unwelcome it is. Your generation had it's chance, it failed. My generation won't continue your trend and you can't fucking stand it.

Bask in your failures, accept them, take some goddamn responsibility for once in your life and sit the fuck down while we fix what you fucked up. You might get a little extra social security out of it in the end, if you're lucky..

 

[Sir Stanky]

These are the bad guys, you know, the ones that traded long term stability for short term gain.

 

[Dr Kynes]

These are the bad guys, you know, the ones that traded long term stability for short term gain.

yes, thats true

but they were terribly popular in the Galactic Senate, so they must have been doing something right...

Toby'ed!

 

[desert dude]

Kynes, I bow down to your rhetorical skills.

This thread is like watching Cassius Clay boxing with PeeWee Herman.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Kynes, I bow down to your rhetorical skills.

This thread is like watching Cassius Clay boxing with PeeWee Herman.

Toby is really just a pointless Liliputian.

it was lulzy for a while, stringing him along, letting him braid up the rope he eventually would hang himself with, but eventually it stops being fun and becomes almost like work.

 

[Dr Kynes]

How can you be right when you lose.

ask the various Marxist regimes that have fallen in the past.

but clowns like Toby keep trying to breath new life into Stalin's corpse.

Also: the Rebels only won because the Jedi cheated...

they used their antiquated religion to rob the Empire of it's rightful place in the galaxy, with the help of ne'er do wells, smugglers and the unfair advantage of wisdom from old people.



if the rebels had only played by the rules, the Empire would have been victorious ensuring a new galactic order, based on new ideas, Hope, Change, Reform, progressive taxation and expenditures on "Public Works"...

it would have been glorious.

 

[desert dude]

Toby is really just a pointless Liliputian.

it was lulzy for a while, stringing him along, letting him braid up the rope he eventually would hang himself with, but eventually it stops being fun and becomes almost like work.

I agree with the "work" observation. I read the shit these guys post and just shake my head. It seems impossible to be so dumb, yet here we are.

Gruber recognized his constituency, that much is certain.

 

[Sir Stanky]

ask the various Marxist regimes that have fallen in the past.

but clowns like Toby keep trying to breath new life into Stalin's corpse.

ask the various Marxist regimes that have fallen in the past.

but clowns like Toby keep trying to breath new life into Stalin's corpse.

Also: the Rebels only won because the Jedi cheated...

they used their antiquated religion to rob the Empire of it's rightful place in the galaxy, with the help of ne'er do wells, smugglers and the unfair advantage of wisdom from old people.



if the rebels had only played by the rules, the Empire would have been victorious ensuring a new galactic order, based on new ideas, Hope, Change, Reform, progressive taxation and expenditures on "Public Works"...

it would have been glorious.

Sounds like the empire is your fascist fantasy,

 

[abandonconflict]

so youre saying im wrong?

Marx didnt argue that the Authoritarian Socialist Dictatorship was essential after the revolution to De-Radicalize the revolutionaries and prevent Counter Revolutions?

are you suggesting that the Dictatorship of the Proletariat (actually dictatorship by the self appointed Vanguard of intellectuals) wasnt key to Marx's vision of the marxist Revolution/Evolution?

by claiming i havent read Marx you can imply all that shit, without actually backing it up, since anyone who has read Marx (like myself) can assure you that it is in fact exactly as i said.

Take a stand Toby.

did Marx include Authoritarian Socialism as a necessary step or not?

That wasn't Marx. Now I know you never read anything he wrote.

That was Lenin. Idiot.

Yet again you belie that you have not even read what you profess so continuously to be an expert in. So now it's Mark Twain, George Orwell and Karl Marx. Who else are you going to pretend to be an expert on before we find out you have not read a single fucking page of their works?

 

[abandonconflict]

if you want a summary of Marx's works, go buy a term paper from a community college freshman.

If you want to profess to know what the man wrote, read a fucking book.

 

[abandonconflict]

Sounds like the empire is your fascist fantasy,

He thinks fascism is another form of Marxism. You can't debate with kkkynes, he's only here to troll, post retarded memes and then declare victory where he hasn't achieved one.