Rob Roy
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We need more martian cigarettes.
Try to envision a stronger economic system.
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We need more martian cigarettes.
OddBall1st
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They live together, hunt together, fight together, move together, sacrifice together, respect the leader together, build together and nothing is safe from them on the attack, Blind.
NLXSK1
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We could have that too if we gave a top down administrative government complete control over our lives, gave up our individualism and focused completely on the good of the state rather than the individual and/or family.
Yeah, that sounds like Utopia....
OddBall1st
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Bee`s do for others, and are rewarded. Get on their bad side....Beware !!
OddBall1st
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I tried to borrow five dollars from an ant, it told me to go see my uncle....
I once convinced an ant that if I gave her my $10 bill and she gave me her $20 bill, that it would be an even trade. It worked for about 5 minutes. Not the smartest ant.
A bee is a slave with no free will, and while slavery gets shit done, it defeats the intent of having human intelligence and free will.
Free trade systems, or systems that resemble free trade, have been responsible for creating the most wealth and prosperity among humans throughout recorded history, regardless of culture.
The ability to trade goods and services FOR goods and services is about as "good" as it gets.
OddBall1st
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A man defines slavery differently. I could have been more clear to point out what I was conveying. I wanted to show how, like your last sentence, the balance bees have with their surroundings. They give to get so plants can continue to service them. The bee has wings and can fly away from it`s captives if it wanted to, but it don`t. They pretty much do as you describe free trade.
But those African bees, well, I wouldn`t expect much more from that continent.....the exact opposite of free trade. Sorry Buck,....had to bee said.
desert dude
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Yay for communism.
Stupidest fucking concept yet created by man.
heckler73
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So does that mean one can negotiate prices with the cashiers at a "free" Supermarket or MalWart, regardless of what the proprietor of the business sets the sticker price as?
Padawanbater2
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I'd say religion takes that cake..
To answer the OP, I'd say the best economic system would be a mixture of capitalism, socialism and communism. Things like healthcare and education would be paid for by the society collectively, military, police, firefighters, etc. would fall into that same category. People would be able to own private property and establish personal savings, public elections wouldn't be for sale by the highest bidder and democracy would work more aligned to how it actually should.
Imo, I think a purely capitalistic society leans towards cronyism and the collection of wealth by the few inevitably leads to corruption in government
A purely communistic or socialistic society leads to the deterioration of personal freedoms and ideas
So you do the thought experiment, take the good, get rid of the bad and develop a pragmatic approach to applying an effective economic system to a society, that's what you end up with.
Capitalism provides the incentive to innovate which leads to technological and medical innovations that not only benefit the society at large, but the individual(s) responsible [financially]. Socialism provides the necessary social safety net for those of us less fortunate to get back up on our feet and become contributing members of society. Communism, while negatively applied in the past, provides a sense of global community in direct contrast to nationalism and establishes a precedent against oligarchy.
Each of these would act as a sort of checks and balances to each other in an effective economic system, and there would probably be many additions yet conceived to improve it.
UncleBuck
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i'd say the racial superiority that you and desert dudette espouse is way dumber.
see4
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You mean "aunt", and yes, we already know your entire family is dumb as shit. No offense.
Rob Roy
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Thank you for asking. Good question. The answer is maybe...in a sense.
While it is not customary to negotiate prices with a given grocer. In a sense we "negotiate" by choosing to shop at one grocer or another that we find brings us, the individual. more value. The free market in action.
Although it is common to negotiate big ticket item purchases such as a car or real estate.
heckler73
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According to what you envision as an ideal market structure, I could negotiate prices with the cashier. What is preventing me from doing so? What is preventing them from doing so? It sounds like you have an external entity enforcing contracts of some type at some point.
You can't avoid it...
abandonconflict
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Neofeudalists call themselves "Anarchocapitalists" because they think that capitalism can exist in the absence of government. Really, they simply advocate for the privatization of the government. From private armies to private police to private courts and roads. It is inverse totalitarianism.
abandonconflict
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The market isn't free if resources and economic infrastructure is privately owned.
Laissez-faire is contrary to liberty, and those who appeal to the virtue of liberty the most vigorously have very little regard for rights aside from their desire to discriminate, offend and even commit genocide.
Fascism is the ultimate result and end state of capitalism. Privatization is the primary modality of fascists. Privatization is only possible through authority and therefore, capitalism can not exist without government.
Read Adam Smith Smith's Wealth of Nations again if you don't think his argument had everything to do with privatization in order to pay for war. All capitalism is crony, and 99% of us are excluded from the good old boys club.
Laissez-faire is contrary to liberty, and those who appeal to the virtue of liberty the most vigorously have very little regard for rights aside from their desire to discriminate, offend and even commit genocide.
Fascism is the ultimate result and end state of capitalism. Privatization is the primary modality of fascists. Privatization is only possible through authority and therefore, capitalism can not exist without government.
Read Adam Smith Smith's Wealth of Nations again if you don't think his argument had everything to do with privatization in order to pay for war. All capitalism is crony, and 99% of us are excluded from the good old boys club.
NLXSK1
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democracy would work more aligned to how it actually should.
Pure democracy would have resulted in women never getting the right to vote, blacks never overcoming slavery, etc. We live in a representative Republic, not a Democracy...
Maybe that is part of the source of your confusion...
Geronimo420
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Democracy isn't an economic system, it's a political system, one who as seen better days. Capitalism the official economical system is basically in the same situation (18 000 000 000 000 in the red). The equation One person = one vote is the problem, contributing to the economy should be necessary to be allowed to vote, no parasites should decide how the government spends my cash.