Organic Plant Stimulant - BMO Super Plant Tonic

[Seamaiden]

If it's got sodium thiosulfate in it, and I bet it does, it'll do the trick for chloramine. The heavy metals thing.. I'd have to take the folks at Tetra to task for that shit. Hell, they're half responsible for the fucking "Little Nemo" craze that emptied shops of Amphiprion occellaris & A. percula. Fuckstix.

Either way, it works just fine. God, they make such a FORTUNE off that stuff!

 

[Ohsogreen]

hmmm would they have it in the fish section of walmart then? or would they have it at the hydro shop? i'm not big on ordering things online

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Yes, they have that stuff GoingGreen talked about at Walmart. My daughter uses it in her aquarium.
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[Ohsogreen]

I'm talking about your rootball.
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Super Plant Tonic is the bomb that will make it happen - read all about it :

https://www.rollitup.org/organics/87949-organic-plant-stimulant-bmo-super.html

Hit the link - you'll be glad you did....
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The stuff Seamaiden is knocking above is a pH up / down product for aquariums....
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[Seamaiden]

Well... I probably shouldn't drop some of the bombs I do. I think I mentioned I used to work the aquatic and exotic import/export trade (aquarium fish, reptiles, arachnids, and so on). As such, I have seen and learned things that have left me a little jaded, especially when we're talking about a big company like Tetra and how they might do something that would promote pulling wild-caught stocks from the sea irresponsibly, only to be stuffed into tanks far too small and die a horrid, painful death.

In any event, most dechlorinator is about a 1% aqueous solution of sodium thiosulfate. Often you'll see an 8oz. bottle being sold for the same price as a bucket of the concentrated crystals that weighs several pounds. Needless to say, you're paying for packaging and water. I like to help folks save money where they can, which is why I kind of knocked Tetra and other manufacturers.

Who, me? I don't have an agenda...

 

[catincombs]

I see SPT has made it out of the hills. It's good shit. I don't buy much in the way of ferts, I use chicken manure, comfrey tea, cow manure and bat guano. Hell for $ 6.50 at the farmers market you can't beat it. The guy who sells me mine, looks like a faithful follower of the Dead. I didn't know Hippys owned computers. LOL
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against free love, peace & all that jazz. Hell, I party with um at Booger Hollow every year just outside of (Madison County - Ralph Cares Country). If you're from around here, you know what I'm talking about. RIP - Ralph we miss you.

 

[catincombs]

Who, me? I don't have an agenda...

I thought seamaidens liked fish ? Hell, they make great fertilizer.
Native Americans figured that out, long before Joe Pilgrim made the scene.

Does SPT have fish in it ? The labels on the ones I've bought, don't say whats in it. Does anyone know ?

 

[Seamaiden]

Yes, Ohso put up a list somewhere... I just can't remember where. Also, the folks who run BMO are pretty good about answering emails promptly (even over the weekend, which I sure don't expect).

This Seamaiden loves fish. So much so she made sure she was born under the sign of the fish.

 

[catincombs]

Yes, Ohso put up a list somewhere... I just can't remember where. Also, the folks who run BMO are pretty good about answering emails promptly (even over the weekend, which I sure don't expect).

This Seamaiden loves fish. So much so she made sure she was born under the sign of the fish.

Thanks Seamaiden. I like fish too. I've been stocking a pond near the house with Bluegill, Crappie and Small Mouth Bass.
I checked out Ebay and found their sells page. I was going to send them an email, but heck their page tells it all. It says:

This tonic contains the following : Artesian Spring Water, Worm Castings, Mychorrizal Fungi, Coral Calcium, Unsulphured (Blackstrap) Molasses, and Humic Acid derived from Oak Leaf & Peat Compost.
Now, most people "do not want to tell", you their ingredients. Blue Mountain Organics wants you to know them and why they are used :
The Artesian Spring Water (provides an all natural, chlorine free base), Worm Castings (add soluable nitrogen & trace minerals), Mychorrizal Fungi make the mix soluble & inoculate your plants roots, Unsulphured Molasses (feeds - these beneficial microorganisms, provides trace minerals, plus soluble nitrogen, phosphorus & potassium), Coral Calcium (adds 72 trace minerals - that's all of them), Humic Acid derived from (Hot Composted) Oak Leaves & Peat - adds natural chelates (ensuring smooth delivery of the trace minerals). All these good things are mixed, then oxygenated for (3) days under optimal conditions; in a special organic tea brewer. Which increases the feeding action of the beneficial microorganisms - which break down all these good things, into a highly soluble liquid. Easily absorbed by plants. Note: Mychorrizal Fungi enhance your plants ability to absorb more nutrients, minerals & water - resulting in better vigor, growth & draught resistance. Just Google or Yahoo Search Mychorrizal Fungi - You'll find page after page of information praising them.

So, it does not have fish in it. I googled the fungi. They were not kidding, lots of guys in lab coats saying how good myco fungi are. I agree, its good stuff & my plants like it. Since, it's all natural, I'm going to keep using it. It's the only thing out of a bottle I use, except for Jack Daniels : which I use strictly for medicanal purposes. LOL

So, now I know and everyone else can to. It works and well enough to justify the cost. $ 6.50, which is probably what gas will cost next week. Damm Big Ass Oil Companies..

 

[Seamaiden]

Yeah, Ohso, like I was telling you, the utility of the myco's is extremely well-documented. I'm hoping, living where I do, that more and more farmers will start using them, as I'm hoping that by their doing so they may help stop whatever it is that's killing our bees. If farmers get better plant growth and disease resistance by using something that should be there in the first place, then they won't have to use the chemical ferts and pesticides that are helping to push the little bees over the edge.

 

[Ohsogreen]

Yeah, Ohso, like I was telling you, the utility of the myco's is extremely well-documented. I'm hoping, living where I do, that more and more farmers will start using them, as I'm hoping that by their doing so they may help stop whatever it is that's killing our bees. If farmers get better plant growth and disease resistance by using something that should be there in the first place, then they won't have to use the chemical ferts and pesticides that are helping to push the little bees over the edge.

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Yes, long before all these commercial (NPK only) fertilizers the soil was healthy. Full of minerals, micro-beaties & organic living things. The food our parents and grandparents ate was just better quality.
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There were no Big Cancer Treatment Centers in ever major city, becasue they were not needed. Life begets Life. Dead soil will get you there faster.
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Plants grown in a living soil are more disease resistant, grow faster, and are much more nutrient rich. Look at the Amish, as just one example. They grow all their vegetables using only cow manure and chicken manure. No chemicals what so ever. They rotate crops, compost and allow fields to go unused on a regular rotation cycle.
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I visisted an Amish Village near Heber Springs, Arkansas once. Their gardens were absolutely beautiful. Everything was green and completely healthly looking. They are a complete Organic Community and very healthy people.
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I met a 74 year old man, cutting hay with a horse drawn rig, who looked better than I did. I didn't get Organic until my late 40's. Before that - it was fast food, fast times, fast lane. I wised up, when my best friend dropped dead at 48. Stroked straight out, fell dead. Hard living & a Bad Diet took its toll.
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When consumers start demanding better quality food, more farmers will get onboard. We also have to demand the government stop allowing these super farms, which are a profit only setup. Small farms, meant diversity, Mega Farms - mean NPK only ferts, non-sustainable methods of growing and a slow systematic killing of the land. I hate Mega-Farms...they suck..
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Amish are Good & Healthy because they are Organic, easy going people (no stress problems in their neighborhood) / Mega Farms are BAD...
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OK, I 'm off the soap box now...Sorry, I just have strong opinions on some subjects.....
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Keep it Real..Organic....

 

[Ohsogreen]

I see SPT has made it out of the hills. It's good shit. I don't buy much in the way of ferts, I use chicken manure, comfrey tea, cow manure and bat guano. Hell for $ 6.50 at the farmers market you can't beat it. The guy who sells me mine, looks like a faithful follower of the Dead. I didn't know Hippys owned computers. LOL
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against free love, peace & all that jazz. Hell, I party with um at Booger Hollow every year just outside of (Madison County - Ralph Cares Country). If you're from around here, you know what I'm talking about. RIP - Ralph we miss you.

Catincombs are you talking about Madison County, Arkansas ? If you are, man I've got a story to tell you. Hell, I actually already posted it on a thread about Super Plant Tonic. I'll find it & save some typing. If you are talking about Ralph Baker. I met him and it was a strange experience.
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Life is a Trip.....& mine has been a long, strange one....LOL
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[Ohsogreen]

Let's recycle this thread....
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Poof, climb back to the top.....
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[Seamaiden]

Remember the bump? My hips won't let me do that anymore.

I'm having a weird issue with only some of my plants. I have wrapped all pots in white paper, I have mulched, and the weather has really cooled off (it's actually been PERFECTION up here in the Sierra the past week, week and a half). However, on a couple or three plants, I'm seeing rust-colored spotting on some leaves, on one plant it's progressing. On some other plants it's rust-colored leaf margins with a slight bit of curl. If you need pix, please let me know, I'm using up my harddrive taking so many. I've also noticed I am getting lower leaves that slowly yellow out, I've been pinching those off at the base of the leaf.

What I have done: 1/4-1/2 strength SPT with each watering, and I have been adjusting the pH AFTER adding the tonic to just under 7. Scratched in 2t bat guano (the high N stuff Bill sent me) when I got it, and today I scratched in 2t bone meal for the phosphorous and fed a SMALL dose of fish emulsion to hopefully help alleviate the yellowing.

The mulch that I used has mycorrhizae in it, so these babies should be getting plenty of microbes to help them utilize what's available. My concern is that I'm missing something. Oh, Dave rigged up my new Mr. Clean water filter so I don't have to wait for water to pass through the PUR filter, so far so good.

 

[goingreen2008]

MIne are doin the same thing since adding stp but not bad just a little bit but yea much like a rust color spots and one the ends of the leaves! i was thnking maybe nute burn, i posted some pics but i use DWC

 

[Seamaiden]

This is not nutrient burn, and it's not consistent with all the plants that are showing this.

 

[Ohsogreen]

This is not nutrient burn, and it's not consistent with all the plants that are showing this.

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Seamaiden Since you are adding more fertilizer and microbes in your mulch, on top of those in the SPT. You have created a micro-beaties version of China. Limited Real Estate - Massive Population. Those little guys work non-stop breaking NPK down into highly soluble forms, which your plants can suck right up. You can have too much of a good thing.
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I noticed you said 2t of guano and 2t of bone meal. Did you mean two teaspoons or two tablespoons. I looked at the instructions that came with my 9-3-2 guano.

The instructions said (which I agree are reasonable guidelines) Bat Guano (NPK 9-3-2) Growing Phase

Best used as a fertilizer - provides provides quick release N 9%, P 3 % & K 2 %, and slow release N 2 %, P 1%, & K 1%, plus numerous beneficial bacteria & fungi.

Mix two teaspoons into the soil in a 8 inch pot, 2.5 teaspoons into the soil of a 10 inch pot, or one tablespoon into the soil of a 12 inch pot. This can be done every two weeks.

To make into a tea - mix two to four tablespoons into one gallon of chlorine free water. Agitate for one minute, let sit overnight - agitate for an additional minute. For Best Results - let sit / agitate for two days total. Water in, using no more than one quart per plant. This can be done every two weeks. Divide the sediments between at least four plants or add to a compost pile.
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If you used two tablespoons of each, ouch... your over the limit. With the SPT, you have to go low, slow & steady on ferts or the micro-beaties will funnel too much, too quickly into your plants. It's easy to do, I've done it with some Skunks in the past. They sucked up NPK to quick and each started doing their own thing. It was confusing, to say the least. I had to just leave them alone for two weeks - watering only. Then they recovered quite nicely.
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I'd skip any fertilizing for two weeks & water only - if that was tablespoons. If not, send me some pics & I'll give them the hard eyeballing.
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Sorry the message is not a pleasant one....
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[goingreen2008]

Yo ohso! lol i i know i havent gave any updates on the stp but check this shit out he was a male but look at this root ball! STP is the SHIT!
o had this plant is only 4 weeeks old! with 1 week of 12/12 so growth slowed but for my second grow in so pround!

But i give my results to YOU if it wasnt for you and other RIU members who are so well educated this pic wouldnt exsist!


I think in a couple of years when marry laws have changed we all need to meet up and enjoy the fruits of are labor( if that ever happens)

 

[Skibumm208]

those roots are rediculous, id love to learn how to do that

 

[Seamaiden]

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Seamaiden Since you are adding more fertilizer and microbes in your mulch, on top of those in the SPT. You have created a micro-beaties version of China. Limited Real Estate - Massive Population. Those little guys work non-stop breaking NPK down into highly soluble forms, which your plants can suck right up. You can have too much of a good thing.
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I noticed you said 2t of guano and 2t of bone meal. Did you mean two teaspoons or two tablespoons. I looked at the instructions that came with my 9-3-2 guano.

Teaspoons, not tablespoons, I wanted to go very slowly.

The instructions said (which I agree are reasonable guidelines) Bat Guano (NPK 9-3-2) Growing Phase

Best used as a fertilizer - provides provides quick release N 9%, P 3 % & K 2 %, and slow release N 2 %, P 1%, & K 1%, plus numerous beneficial bacteria & fungi.

Mix two teaspoons into the soil in a 8 inch pot, 2.5 teaspoons into the soil of a 10 inch pot, or one tablespoon into the soil of a 12 inch pot. This can be done every two weeks.

Oh, shit! Every two weeks? I just did it once, when I got it, and left it at that, I haven't added anything other than the 1/4-1/2 strength SPT and the mulch since then.

To make into a tea - mix two to four tablespoons into one gallon of chlorine free water. Agitate for one minute, let sit overnight - agitate for an additional minute. For Best Results - let sit / agitate for two days total. Water in, using no more than one quart per plant. This can be done every two weeks. Divide the sediments between at least four plants or add to a compost pile.

Ok! Gotcha.

If you used two tablespoons of each, ouch... your over the limit. With the SPT, you have to go low, slow & steady on ferts or the micro-beaties will funnel too much, too quickly into your plants. It's easy to do, I've done it with some Skunks in the past. They sucked up NPK to quick and each started doing their own thing. It was confusing, to say the least. I had to just leave them alone for two weeks - watering only. Then they recovered quite nicely.

I printed out the email where you gave me your instructions, and it's been about 2 1/2-3 weeks since then (if I recollect, I need that 2nd cuppa joe).

I'd skip any fertilizing for two weeks & water only - if that was tablespoons. If not, send me some pics & I'll give them the hard eyeballing.
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Sorry the message is not a pleasant one....

What? Don't worry about whether or not it's a "good" message. What I need is the TRUTH, so don't you worry. In any event, that little "t" was teaspoons, not Tablespoons. Why? Because, I remember Ohsogreen's advice, start low and go slow. And something else to do weekly weakly. I really need that coffee.

 

[Ohsogreen]

Yo ohso! lol i i know i havent gave any updates on the stp but check this shit out he was a male but look at this root ball! STP is the SHIT!
o had this plant is only 4 weeeks old! with 1 week of 12/12 so growth slowed but for my second grow in so pround!

But i give my results to YOU if it wasnt for you and other RIU members who are so well educated this pic wouldnt exsist!


I think in a couple of years when marry laws have changed we all need to meet up and enjoy the fruits of are labor( if that ever happens)

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Goinggreen2008 Those roots look excellant, ashame it was a boy. I'd say you have your water & nutes mix - Dialed In. Yes, SPT is Definately the Shit. Every plant I've grown with it, maxed out.
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I am starting a new grow using BMO's new nutes. The grow formula has a NPK of 5-2-5, the folair spray is 2-4-2 & the bloom formula is 1-8-7. I'm going to grow only in Jiffy Seed Starting Mix - which is a completely soilless mix.
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That way, I can fully evaluate how effective these new nutes are. I will also use the SPT with them. With those numbers, they should work for hydro too. But this run will be in the jiffy mix only.
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I'll take pics along the way & share...
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Keep it Real...Organic...
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