Mycorrhiza Fungi...why you should get to know them...

Ohsogreen said:
Sometimes, things are so well written, it would be a dis-service to paraphrase them. I ran across this page on Mycorrhizal Fungi and thought it was great info. So, here is a link to it:
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Mycorrhiza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Give it a read. Afterwards, you will have a better understanding of why these myco fungi - sold in products like Plant Sucess, Myco Magic, Sub-Culture and Super Plant Tonic - kick such serious a*s.
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Add them in your grow and reap the benefits. These little fungi, mine out every last bit of P for Mary - so her buddage reaches maximum potential.
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They also pump up the plants immune system by making all the necessary trace minerals soluble and kill off bad bacteria as a bonus. It's a win / win formula. So, next time someone says " There's a fungus among us - Say Cool, I was hopeing for some. "
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Keep it Real...Organic.....
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Good Read OhSoGreen, makes Me glad I picked some this stuff up(in a packet,like) added to my Strawberry Blue when transplanted at the weekend into their final pots...SOOoo it will be interesting to see how these take of? or not...Proofs in tha pudding.

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Yea till week 4. That's it. So y waste that food when YA already have an established root system??? Does it create bigger foowers, sure the bigger the roots the better however once they are established its about protecting them and not burning your plant with P and K. Turtle always beats the hair
 
you want to stay away from products that have trichomderma or how ever its spelt. its an aggressive bacteria that starts to consunme the others and by the time you get it to use it its mostly all trichomdermia or whatever.
 
DANKSWAG said:
I could be wrong, but it appears to be an Myco Apply / EM1 product with a food starter (molasses). You'd be better off just purchasing EM1 as a concentrated serum and then add equal parts molasses when ready to active and utilize in a tea or other applications. You can also make your own EM1 with Rice, H20 -sans chloride, Milk (Two step process for EM1 concentrate) and Molasses which activates it.
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Hey Dankswag, this is some great info. I'm very interested in feeding these microbes from soil contents rather than having them excessively sap root exudates. Molasses and rice seem to come up commonly, and I've used molasses for AACT. My question is, have you ever considered or heard of using rice as part of a soil mix itself?
 
Rhizonaut said:
Hey Dankswag, this is some great info. I'm very interested in feeding these microbes from soil contents rather than having them excessively sap root exudates. Molasses and rice seem to come up commonly, and I've used molasses for AACT. My question is, have you ever considered or heard of using rice as part of a soil mix itself?
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Hi Rhizo,

my bro likes to add a cup to every 18Gal
Myself, I would be tempted to try a bit more maybe see how it goes.
What seemed to work well too was sprinkling the rice over an amended batch and letting mycelium flourish in dark moist peace.
I started blending a bit of rice and oatmeal in a nutribullet and sprinkling the flourish powder over.. It leads to a fast fungi-dom frenzy. Whole rice tends to crack and go a bit yellow, no rock, but still works good.

How bout you Dank
 
DonTesla said:
Hi Rhizo,

my bro likes to add a cup to every 18Gal
Myself, I would be tempted to try a bit more maybe see how it goes.
What seemed to work well too was sprinkling the rice over an amended batch and letting mycelium flourish in dark moist peace.
I started blending a bit of rice and oatmeal in a nutribullet and sprinkling the flourish powder over.. It leads to a fast fungi-dom frenzy. Whole rice tends to crack and go a bit yellow, no rock, but still works good.

How bout you Dank
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I'd be tempted to do the same Don. I'd guess a primary reason it's not widely practiced or considered is that people tend to build soils based on what the plant needs rather than the collective needs of the living container... While I'm (fairly certain) plants don't eat rice, I know the microbes can use the grains as sources of concentrated carbohydrates. So, in theory, the plant will be able to conserve energy otherwise expended producing carbohydrate-rich root exudates to feed the microbial life since the carb-rich food is already there for them.
 
Rhizonaut said:
I'd be tempted to do the same Don. I'd guess a primary reason it's not widely practiced or considered is that people tend to build soils based on what the plant needs rather than the collective needs of the living container...
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Good point, Rhizo. Though we now know its not the plant we feed, so much, its the microbes and roots we must nurture..
Still looks like rice and oatmeal and therefore the increased Fungi/Mycelium remain somewhat underused by the newer guys imo. Its not a network to be underestimated though..

Somewhat similar to how myco increases root mass by 700-1100x, Once mycelium is visible to the naked eye there are 500 strands (aka microtunnels) side by side to make what looks like just one strand.. So a furry layer represents not only an interconnected, far reaching nutrient and water network way beyond the roots, its potentially millions of mini tunnels for Bacteria and other nutrient-containing microbes to safely channel thru, post-mortem, avoiding an otherwise earlier death (via larger predators)..this micro-nutrient retention avoids soil leaching and means better rhizosphere health at the final critical stages right before harvest..
Never liked furry girls before but,
That should mean better yields right!? Lol
 
Don, I believe we're on the same page. I believe there's a ted talk on how mushrooms will save the world, but for the time being, I'd just like to grow the chronic. Considering the alleged superhero powers of fungi however, maybe that next level organic growth potential isn't too far out of reach! It will be some time until my next generation for my perpetual, but when the time comes I will try a few different treatments of rice and oats.

A similar topic I've been thinking on is probiotic rice. Grains containing microbial inoculants which are eaten by soil microbes... I can't help but hypothesize that the more well-fed (quality not quantity) these micro critters are, the more ready willing and able they'll be to kick a few favors to their root friends. Has anyone heard of anything in regard to this type of rice?
 
Pattahabi said:
Always cracks me up when they say soluble fungi/bacteria. I'm assuming you are referring to a carrier. What species and spore counts do your products contain?

Wait... $119 a pound? Seriously? :roll:

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I've had very poor results with the "instant" stuff myself. At a recent indoor growing expo in Denver, I obtained a few samples of 'OG Tea - Veganic Special Sauce' (a no-brew-necessary instant soluble micro inoculant claiming their 'modifications' allowed the spectrum of species to 'colonize the rhizosphere at a constant rate'). I used the solution on four of my adult plants in vegetation and they all withered and essentially died.

My best results with inoculant additives containing a variety of species have been thanks to Fox Farm's 'Happy Frog All-Purpose 5-5-5'. I've also never noticed any hinderance with Xtreme gardening's 'Mykos' (Glomus intraradices) or 'Azos' (Azospirlium brasilense), though each is a single species (fungus and bacterium respectively), and I can't help but be suspicious of the narrow approach.
 
Rhizonaut said:
I've had very poor results with the "instant" stuff myself. At a recent indoor growing expo in Denver, I obtained a few samples of 'OG Tea - Veganic Special Sauce' (a no-brew-necessary instant soluble micro inoculant claiming their 'modifications' allowed the spectrum of species to 'colonize the rhizosphere at a constant rate'). I used the solution on four of my adult plants in vegetation and they all withered and essentially died.

My best results with inoculant additives containing a variety of species have been thanks to Fox Farm's 'Happy Frog All-Purpose 5-5-5'. I've also never noticed any hinderance with Xtreme gardening's 'Mykos' (Glomus intraradices) or 'Azos' (Azospirlium brasilense), though each is a single species (fungus and bacterium respectively), and I can't help but be suspicious of the narrow approach.
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AFAIK fungi are not soluble. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here. It's another marketing buzz word. I would never, ever put fox farms anything in my soil, period. However, I use both of those Xtreme gardening products with good results. The mykos is what I use for my mycorrhizae innoculant. I was previously using great white (lots o species) and the Xtreme Mykos blew it away. No comparison. The Azos is also a good product imo, but a little bit goes a long way. I'll often use a little when cloning - more b/c I still have the bag around than anything.

Lol, Key to Life deleted his post...

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Pattahabi said:
AFAIK fungi are not soluble. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here. It's another marketing buzz word. I would never, ever put fox farms anything in my soil, period. However, I use both of those Xtreme gardening products with good results. The mykos is what I use for my mycorrhizae innoculant. I was previously using great white (lots o species) and the Xtreme Mykos blew it away. No comparison. The Azos is also a good product imo, but a little bit goes a long way. I'll often use a little when cloning - more b/c I still have the bag around than anything.

Lol, Key to Life deleted his post...

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Yes! I've had a bag of Azos around forever...a roommate left it to me! I mostly dust root balls (lightly) with it during transplants. I agree though about Mykos, I find Glomus intraradices is often the first fungal species listed on any given inoculant variety. So if there is a single-species approach that ultimately benefits your harvest more than the 'shotgun' approach, then I'd bank that'd be the one.

Yeah, the soluble stuff I tried was only because I'd gotten it for free and was scientifically curious. I'm glad I can confirm others have noticed the same results!

I am in no way preferential to Fox Farm products. I find their 'Happy Frog' All-Purpose 5-5-5 is a nice go-to nutrient with a nice spread of micro minions, but my allegiance to them ends there! I never use liquid nutrient additives on my soil containers.
 
Pattahabi said:
AFAIK fungi are not soluble. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong . I was previously using great white (lots o species) and the Xtreme Mykos blew it away. No comparison. The Azos is also..


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So Xtreme Mycos is the best myco in your opinion, P?

And Rhizo, probiotic rice sounds, sound.. We should look into a bit further perhaps..
 
DonTesla said:
So Xtreme Mycos is the best myco in your opinion, P?

And Rhizo, probiotic rice sounds, sound.. We should look into a bit further perhaps..
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I don't know about the best. It out performed great white in my garden (anecdotal), and I find it to be a good value ($25 a kilo). I've also heard good things about Bioag's VAM, but I've not tried it. Most mykos are produced by a few companies and then repackaged under all the various names.

So a long answer short, I've used great white, zho (few samples) and xtreme mykos and I prefer xtreme mykos. ;)

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@DANKSWAG nice remark to EM

I use EM in every other watering.. it works well :)

especially when you use molasses as food for the bacteria! try it out! I think you find several tutorials to make your own EM.

Another great think is Bokashi Compost! You can nearly compost all organic waste (food/ kitchen waste). After the stuff has composted for about 3 months, you can get it out of your sealed compost can, burry it in your garden and wait another month or two.. after that you may plant your girls at this spot and you will see how happy they are.

Nice for all people who have not enough space for a good old compost pile in the garden :)
 
Indian Spices said:
@DANKSWAG nice remark to EM

I use EM in every other watering.. it works well :)

especially when you use molasses as food for the bacteria! try it out! I think you find several tutorials to make your own EM.

Another great think is Bokashi Compost! You can nearly compost all organic waste (food/ kitchen waste). After the stuff has composted for about 3 months, you can get it out of your sealed compost can, burry it in your garden and wait another month or two.. after that you may plant your girls at this spot and you will see how happy they are.

Nice for all people who have not enough space for a good old compost pile in the garden :)
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You must be after my heart stranger. I do 1:1 spent coffee grinds and peat moss fermented with EM extended. Then fermented a pail of kitchen garbage with it. Buried it. Waited two weeks and planted a fully established white widow topped and ready for the transplant. That babe yeilded awesome. Sustainable agriculture ftw. Eme is 30ml em1 + 30ml molasses + 1 liter nonchlorinated water in a plastic bottle + 7 days = new bottle of em or better known as eme. Cant extend the extended unless you want only lactobacillus
 
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