thanks stow, I really don't have that much room my flower is 10 x 8 and my veg is 18inches x 40inches I pop a lot on purpose so I don't have no choice but to make it work cause I wont let a seed die if it comes up its going to the end, when there babies it easy cause there in solo cups but when there in the 1 and half gallon pots its hard to find space I dream of having a hugh warehouse and it be my job to grow I know I can do it, thinking about popping 15 more seedlings, I got the preputal thing going so I need plants to go in flower every two weeks, so far its working out great