Mad Hamish
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Dropping the second half of the CherryAK x Jo on Sunday lol... One badass synchronized Gage throwdown lol
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thenotsoesoteric
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I feel yah. I'm just speaking me personally. I don't go get clone only cuts either. I like random shits and I'm sure a lot of the crosses out there would blew me away but there is just far too many to chase. And I'm not someone who lives via a medi card either. I'm the last person that gives to dimes and a nickel about a card. I've had a card maybe six months of my life. Midwest wasn't very marijuana friendly. I just really tend to avoid anything super popular at the time, whether its strains, sports teams, movies, tv shows or clothes. You can say, I'm a rebel.
kgp
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Charity f2! I really like a charity I had. I bet the f2 would show pure pine tar pheno.
2easy
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also as far as keepers go i dont think you should expect a keeper in every pack. some strains yes but most there will be a hunt.
for example dream beaver i know most find a keeper in each pack but i lost my mother, im not going to go buy 1 pack to replace her i bought 3 and even then i hope i can find something just as nice. its a pheno hunt for a reason. but its the hunt that makes it interesting.
i believe every cross should be an improvement over the parent plants or at least match them, i also believe GGG move along those lines as you often see them reworking there new strains into there crosses because the new pheno's they are finding are unique and brilliant in there own ways.
and those sugartown express F2's will be fire. i have a ranking system in my garden throwbacks, keepers and elites. in sugartown i got 4 females i think and i had 3 keepers and 1 elite. im sure the F2's will bring some awesome and varied phenotypes but the squat little sour sweet fuely candy kush type plant was unbelievable, so many flavours all mixed into one it was like a party in your mouth every time you smoked it. why oh why did i let all my mothers go
for example dream beaver i know most find a keeper in each pack but i lost my mother, im not going to go buy 1 pack to replace her i bought 3 and even then i hope i can find something just as nice. its a pheno hunt for a reason. but its the hunt that makes it interesting.
i believe every cross should be an improvement over the parent plants or at least match them, i also believe GGG move along those lines as you often see them reworking there new strains into there crosses because the new pheno's they are finding are unique and brilliant in there own ways.
and those sugartown express F2's will be fire. i have a ranking system in my garden throwbacks, keepers and elites. in sugartown i got 4 females i think and i had 3 keepers and 1 elite. im sure the F2's will bring some awesome and varied phenotypes but the squat little sour sweet fuely candy kush type plant was unbelievable, so many flavours all mixed into one it was like a party in your mouth every time you smoked it. why oh why did i let all my mothers go
kgp
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It's a great discussion and nothing ignorant about you're question.
Here's it kinda simple.
To create a true f1, you need to cross two, true breeding strains. A true breeding strain is when selfied it should reproduce itself. It is true to breeding. Best example would be a landrace.
You breed the true breeding male to the true breeding female Of a different strain and in theory your f1's should be a mix of both and very consistent.
When dealing with unstable lines which are mixing pots of genetics, your offspring will be all over the place. Male Dom, female Dom, and many in between. Some taking traits of plants deep in the gene pool that niether parent shows.
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kgp
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If you care to listen to my rambling... Go ahead and keep reading.
F2 is a f1 x f1. This will give you the ultimate variation for section. F2 should give you both parent dominant varieties. Not much mixed varieties. Here you could find two mother dominant male and females to go to f3 which in theory should be stable if you make the right selections. Or to use as a back cross to the original mother. Or to use again with a different strain to create another F1 hybrid.
I seen a study where they bred a pure bread wolf to a pure poodle.
The f1 cross produced all woofles (poodle wolf hybrids)
These siblings longs were bred tougher to create an f2.
The f2 cross produced half wolf looking dogs and half poodle looking dogs.
You then can select two wolf looking dogs, male and female and breed them to get the majority of wolf looking dogs. Through inbreeding for several generations, the poodle gene can be wiped out almost completely. Only having a rare poodle trait pop out every once ina while.
Polyhybrids. Like mutts, when bred will produce a mix variation of offspring.
I know you say what does dogs have to do with cannabis, but in nature the breeding practices are very similar.
F2 is a f1 x f1. This will give you the ultimate variation for section. F2 should give you both parent dominant varieties. Not much mixed varieties. Here you could find two mother dominant male and females to go to f3 which in theory should be stable if you make the right selections. Or to use as a back cross to the original mother. Or to use again with a different strain to create another F1 hybrid.
I seen a study where they bred a pure bread wolf to a pure poodle.
The f1 cross produced all woofles (poodle wolf hybrids)
These siblings longs were bred tougher to create an f2.
The f2 cross produced half wolf looking dogs and half poodle looking dogs.
You then can select two wolf looking dogs, male and female and breed them to get the majority of wolf looking dogs. Through inbreeding for several generations, the poodle gene can be wiped out almost completely. Only having a rare poodle trait pop out every once ina while.
Polyhybrids. Like mutts, when bred will produce a mix variation of offspring.
I know you say what does dogs have to do with cannabis, but in nature the breeding practices are very similar.
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Yodaweed
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These are the biggest difference between pollen chuckers and real breeders, real breeders go through line after line, selecting the best of each line and crossing it painfully back with the previous generation or parents to produce the most favorable offspring. The difference is huge, chuckers like gage, cali connection, GHS , etc do not spend a lot of time stabling their plants, they just chuck some pollen on an elite cut and sell seed stock of them, the offspring are very unstable and you may get a good seed in a pack but chances are you will find so many different crosses in each pack you really didn't even know what you were looking for by the end of the grow because you have so much variation. Who really has the space and time to grow 3 packs of seeds to find 1 keeper? Most people don't have that kind of space and plant counts are very limited where I am and I don't really want to go above my plant count for pheno hunting. 1 pack of 12 seeds should produce winners.
greenghost420
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while i had some sincity herms, id go thru that again because the quality was triple A. sincity is def putting out fire. i grew a cherry pie hybrid from ggg and scs. both had high males and ladys with dicks. but the power pie was much stronger with better flavors. the cherry puff was tasty n potent. but not like the power pie. you judging the company on one seedpack? or did u run a few? what did u run that hermed if i may ask?
greenghost420
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and does with the right breeder, even with those crazy polys
genuity
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100% of the market is poly
And more than half of the clones,on the market are not real...
So when people run them clones,they tend to think that's the truth...and in the end...it's just Cali conn GSC..or Cali conn chem....ect
GSC x Chen king
I for one,do not want seeds,that give me the same damn thing over & over again...just keep a clone for that...no?
GGG from the start,is about people finding they own cut/keeper/ect...
I have found more than one keepercut per pack...of GGG
Do I keep them forever...hell no,a few runs..and I'm on to the next one..
Humans been matting for ever,and we can not put out the same copy,after copy.
It do not work like that.
If there is a real breeder,putting out full copy type seeds....why would anyone try anything else?
Nuture vs nature
And more than half of the clones,on the market are not real...
So when people run them clones,they tend to think that's the truth...and in the end...it's just Cali conn GSC..or Cali conn chem....ect
GSC x Chen king
I for one,do not want seeds,that give me the same damn thing over & over again...just keep a clone for that...no?
GGG from the start,is about people finding they own cut/keeper/ect...
I have found more than one keepercut per pack...of GGG
Do I keep them forever...hell no,a few runs..and I'm on to the next one..
Humans been matting for ever,and we can not put out the same copy,after copy.
It do not work like that.
If there is a real breeder,putting out full copy type seeds....why would anyone try anything else?
Nuture vs nature
2easy
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i had problems with tangerine power. and yes it was just one pack but i wasnt impressed and it was a bad enough impression for me to not waste money on them. unfortunately thats the game first impressions count.
if gage had of let me down like that on my first pack i would have moved on as well. fortunately my first gage strain was sunmaiden and i was sold immediately. they havnt let me down since, except for one test strain but that strain never made it to production so in my opinion in that case the testing process worked as it should.
if gage had of let me down like that on my first pack i would have moved on as well. fortunately my first gage strain was sunmaiden and i was sold immediately. they havnt let me down since, except for one test strain but that strain never made it to production so in my opinion in that case the testing process worked as it should.
greenghost420
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anyone following sincity knows whats up with tang power.you should most definitely try another pack from them. ill bet you wont be disappointed. id bet $100 your happy with your 2nd choice more than your 1st. not to take anything away from the tangerine power its just really unstable. lol
2easy
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to be honest i dont have much space and between ggg and bodhi i dont get much room for anything else both breeders have proven themselves to me time and time again until they lose that reliability i will stick with them. there are a few others on my radar and part of the reason i stopped testing for gage is because i want more flexibility to select what i want to grow rather than be given a random untested strain so i might dip my toe into other pools in the future but for now there are still a bunch of gage strains i desperately want to grow. same goes for bodhi and they are making them faster than i can grow them so im pretty happy where i am at.
Yes i am a bit of a gage fangirl but really its because of the great grows i have achieved with there strains and the customer service is top notch, i had a failed batch of burgundy, probably my own fault as at the time i was running off of bad advice on how to store seeds correctly. @m4k gifted me a pack of Daybreaker, he didnt have to do that and i made sure that was clear when we talked but he did it anyway, thank god they did it brought me i think 2 years of incredible smoke from my daybreaker cut. probably my most popular strain i have had in my jars.
im not locked in to gage i am open to new things but so far bodhi and GGG have been the best performers i have come across. now trying a new breeder feels like a risk, i wont try anything new unless someone i trust and respect has grown it and can give me an honest review.
Yes i am a bit of a gage fangirl but really its because of the great grows i have achieved with there strains and the customer service is top notch, i had a failed batch of burgundy, probably my own fault as at the time i was running off of bad advice on how to store seeds correctly. @m4k gifted me a pack of Daybreaker, he didnt have to do that and i made sure that was clear when we talked but he did it anyway, thank god they did it brought me i think 2 years of incredible smoke from my daybreaker cut. probably my most popular strain i have had in my jars.
im not locked in to gage i am open to new things but so far bodhi and GGG have been the best performers i have come across. now trying a new breeder feels like a risk, i wont try anything new unless someone i trust and respect has grown it and can give me an honest review.
2easy
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@kgp am i mistaken or are you the breeder for grandaddy purple seeds?
if so then i have grown your bay 11 and loved your work not sure why i never delved deeper into your lines your on the list its just a slow moving line. is bay 11 going to be restocked at the tude/choice. i would really like to grow that strain again
oh and if its not you then disregard
if so then i have grown your bay 11 and loved your work not sure why i never delved deeper into your lines your on the list its just a slow moving line. is bay 11 going to be restocked at the tude/choice. i would really like to grow that strain again
oh and if its not you then disregard
v.s one
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What is a poly hybrid?
thenotsoesoteric
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Really, problems you say? Sin city seeds you say?
Problems like these.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/buddhas-dream-sin-city.861753/
Second run from seeds and no problems, user error? Maybe.
thenotsoesoteric
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Oh I'll be running the tangerine power. I don't buy the hermie talk. Most of the grows I've seen of TP have been weak. Stunted, over-fertilized, heat stressed plants or put into flower from seedling are the only grows I've really seen of TP. Or somebody popping two beans in a room with 13 other strains and then they wonder why one got away from them. We'll see.
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