The UK Growers Thread!
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R1b3n4
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He may know her by name but she is under no legal obligation to even answer the door to him, let alone talk to him or answer ANY of his questions or let him into the property!!!
Why move the TV box if it isnt viewable from outside? Either it is or she is LETTING them into the house when she shouldnt be
you only need a TV licence for a PC if you ADMIT to watching TV on it ffs
Sounds very much like you are not only bending over for a fucking but also greasing ur arse up n giving the bloke a complimentary reacharound as well !!
Thc247
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when there was no tv box i used to have everything going through my computer digital tv card and didnt say that to him thou
so glad i now watched that youtube vid lmao fuckers getting full barrell in future an me missus is now clued up on it too its how they come with the " you do not have to say anything but anything you do say can an will be used in court like the fucking filthy 5 0
mind u im 38 and have never actually paid a fuckin penny to the fuckers but missus did have fines thou
R1b3n4
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TV Licensing Rights of Access
TV Licensing employees do not have any legal automatic right of access to any property.
From previous posts you'll be aware that a television licence is only required when television equipment is used to receive or record television signals as they are broadcast to the wider public.
If you don't use equipment as described above then you don't require a television licence.
Unlicensed properties are flagged by TV Licensing's database and will be subject to further investigation. This usually involves sending regular licence reminder letters (referred to as "threatograms") to the property, which are eventually followed up by a visit by one of TV Licensing's doorstep salespeople. TV Licensing refer to their salespeople as "visiting officers", but members of the legally-licence-free community generally refer to them as "goons".
Even if the legal occupier has replied saying they have no television receiving equipment TV Licensing will attempt visit the property to confirm that is the case.
For this reason an increasing number of people who don't require a licence are making a stand against TV Licensing on a point of principle.
The law:
Unless the goon has a search warrant for your property you do not have to let them in. Without that warrant they have no more rights of access than anyone else visiting - in fact you can even withdraw their implied right of access by writing to TV Licensing (see later).
Goons, who earn commission on every licence they sell, are notoriously economical with the truth and may try to con their way into your home using legal jargon or threats. Unless they have that search warrant it's all bluff and, for reasons that will become apparent below, they're very unlikely have a warrant if it's their first visit.
Search warrants:
A search warrant is a legal document signed by a Magistrate (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) or a Sheriff (Scotland). There is no standard prescribed format for the warrant but it must include the address of the property and the reason for the search. The warrant must be executed within one calendar month (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) or 28 days (Scotland) of the date of issue.
TV Licensing can only obtain a warrant by making representations to a Magistrate, under oath, that they have reasonable suspicion (e.g. some evidence) that television receiving equipment is being used illegally within a property. There is an onus on the Magistrate to only issue a warrant when the evidence justifies it. In theory the Magistrate should refuse to authorise the search if the evidence is too weak. In practice, as experience shows, Magistrates often take TV Licensing's word as sacrosanct and grant warrant applications made on the basis of questionable evidence.
In practical terms there are only two forms of evidence that TV Licensing can offer when requesting a search warrant:
The following are not usually considered sufficient grounds for the issue of a search warrant:
The warrant will allow them to search for and inspect television receiving equipment - it does not give them carte blanche to search through personal documentation or anything like that.
In theory the warrant permits TV Licensing to force entry to conduct their search if the property is unoccupied or the occupant refuses to answer the door. In practice it is TV Licensing policy not to force entry in these circumstances, but to return later and make further attempts to execute the warrant.
They will usually be accompanied by the police, who are only there to prevent a breach of the peace. However, be aware that search warrants are granted to TV Licensing and there is no legal requirement for the police to be present when they are executed. The police should not provide any assistance to TV Licensing with the actual search.
TV Licensing search warrants are exceptionally rare. Information obtained by the TV Licensing Blog confirms that NO search warrants have been granted at all in Scotland between 1st January 2011 and 21st July 2014 (more info here). If you're legally licence free, as we hope all our readers are, then you should never need to worry about the threat of a search warrant. If TV Licensing ever do turn up with a warrant then you are well within your rights to film them and we strongly recommend you do.
Implied rights of access:
There is an implied right of access for certain visitors to your property. For example, having a letterbox means that you accept people will deliver things and the presence of a door bell indicates you're open to callers.
You can withdraw TV Licensing's implied right of access by writing to them and saying so. If they ignore your request they'd be trespassing on your property and liable to civil prosecution and negative publicity.
The BBC has previously indicated that TV Licensing will comply with any Withdrawal of Implied Rights of Access (WOIRA), but we are aware that TV Licensing often ignore WOIRA instructions and single out those properties for special attention.
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TV Licensing employees do not have any legal automatic right of access to any property.
From previous posts you'll be aware that a television licence is only required when television equipment is used to receive or record television signals as they are broadcast to the wider public.
If you don't use equipment as described above then you don't require a television licence.
Unlicensed properties are flagged by TV Licensing's database and will be subject to further investigation. This usually involves sending regular licence reminder letters (referred to as "threatograms") to the property, which are eventually followed up by a visit by one of TV Licensing's doorstep salespeople. TV Licensing refer to their salespeople as "visiting officers", but members of the legally-licence-free community generally refer to them as "goons".
Even if the legal occupier has replied saying they have no television receiving equipment TV Licensing will attempt visit the property to confirm that is the case.
For this reason an increasing number of people who don't require a licence are making a stand against TV Licensing on a point of principle.
The law:
Unless the goon has a search warrant for your property you do not have to let them in. Without that warrant they have no more rights of access than anyone else visiting - in fact you can even withdraw their implied right of access by writing to TV Licensing (see later).
Goons, who earn commission on every licence they sell, are notoriously economical with the truth and may try to con their way into your home using legal jargon or threats. Unless they have that search warrant it's all bluff and, for reasons that will become apparent below, they're very unlikely have a warrant if it's their first visit.
Search warrants:
A search warrant is a legal document signed by a Magistrate (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) or a Sheriff (Scotland). There is no standard prescribed format for the warrant but it must include the address of the property and the reason for the search. The warrant must be executed within one calendar month (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) or 28 days (Scotland) of the date of issue.
TV Licensing can only obtain a warrant by making representations to a Magistrate, under oath, that they have reasonable suspicion (e.g. some evidence) that television receiving equipment is being used illegally within a property. There is an onus on the Magistrate to only issue a warrant when the evidence justifies it. In theory the Magistrate should refuse to authorise the search if the evidence is too weak. In practice, as experience shows, Magistrates often take TV Licensing's word as sacrosanct and grant warrant applications made on the basis of questionable evidence.
In practical terms there are only two forms of evidence that TV Licensing can offer when requesting a search warrant:
- That the legal occupant has admitted that they are using television receiving equipment without a licence.
- That a goon has observed or heard television receiving equipment being used in an unlicensed property.
The following are not usually considered sufficient grounds for the issue of a search warrant:
- The fact that the property is unlicensed.
- Ownership a television.
- Non co-operation with TV Licensing.
- The presence of a television aerial or satellite dish on the exterior of the property.
The warrant will allow them to search for and inspect television receiving equipment - it does not give them carte blanche to search through personal documentation or anything like that.
In theory the warrant permits TV Licensing to force entry to conduct their search if the property is unoccupied or the occupant refuses to answer the door. In practice it is TV Licensing policy not to force entry in these circumstances, but to return later and make further attempts to execute the warrant.
They will usually be accompanied by the police, who are only there to prevent a breach of the peace. However, be aware that search warrants are granted to TV Licensing and there is no legal requirement for the police to be present when they are executed. The police should not provide any assistance to TV Licensing with the actual search.
TV Licensing search warrants are exceptionally rare. Information obtained by the TV Licensing Blog confirms that NO search warrants have been granted at all in Scotland between 1st January 2011 and 21st July 2014 (more info here). If you're legally licence free, as we hope all our readers are, then you should never need to worry about the threat of a search warrant. If TV Licensing ever do turn up with a warrant then you are well within your rights to film them and we strongly recommend you do.
Implied rights of access:
There is an implied right of access for certain visitors to your property. For example, having a letterbox means that you accept people will deliver things and the presence of a door bell indicates you're open to callers.
You can withdraw TV Licensing's implied right of access by writing to them and saying so. If they ignore your request they'd be trespassing on your property and liable to civil prosecution and negative publicity.
The BBC has previously indicated that TV Licensing will comply with any Withdrawal of Implied Rights of Access (WOIRA), but we are aware that TV Licensing often ignore WOIRA instructions and single out those properties for special attention.
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zeddd
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what they are doing is wrong, no other cunts round the world have to pay to be brainwashed by fukwits on tv, the other stuff to look at is freeman on the land,fuk me those lads know the law and don't even tax their cars, basically once you answer their questions you have entered joinder which is a contract with them, if u say nothing or try and convert them to islam/ lol jehovas even bttr on ya doorstep then they have to fuk off, film the cunts and laugh them off, i got tired of the fun and games like waving at them thru the window with my face pressed against it and just do it politely now, and i don't have a tv but when i did same story
R3l@X
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Pretty sure that's aftwr aftwr office hours. Go to the police n report your wife is being harassed mention the times n consistency. Once a complaints been filled they must investigate n emphasis the mental distress, sleepless nights n the fact she can't feel secure in her own home..he shows up again after u complaining file a restraining order
R3l@X
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That was posted on this thread ages ago zeddds right sos everyone else 9pm isn't business hours he's stalking ur missus... Next time call the cops n say you've a suspicious man knocking at ur door at all times of the night
R3l@X
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Loose lips sink ships but definitely file a complaint if it continues, shits harassment n this way you'll get a new inspector that will have a cam in his face each timw he knocks but only answer if you're there
R1b3n4
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Filing harassment claims only works if they ignore the revoked ROA, up until you do that they have every legal right to keep knocking at your door constantly
R3l@X
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Even at those times?
R1b3n4
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zeddd
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hes a grower, he wont go to the cops i hope, and sort the door security man u can have the gaff opened up without knowing whose there imo
Pompeygrow
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my miss's bite is worse then my dogs lol
R3l@X
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Very true, stick with what zeddd said n they fixed the loophole btw just a computer or watching pre recorded still requires a tv license
R3l@X
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Thought qe had it bad here ffs...listen to Rimmer n zeddd so
R3l@X
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2587588/7-000-homes-block-visits-TV-licence-enforcers-Growing-numbers-taking-advantage-legal-loophole-means-threaten-sue-collectors-tresspass.html
"Although they are officially named ‘enforcement officers’, TV Licensing staff – who are employed by private firm Capita on the BBC’s behalf – do not possess any official powers of arrest and cannot enter homes or search property without permission." so next time tell em to fuck off he's working for a PRIVATE COMPANY
"Although they are officially named ‘enforcement officers’, TV Licensing staff – who are employed by private firm Capita on the BBC’s behalf – do not possess any official powers of arrest and cannot enter homes or search property without permission." so next time tell em to fuck off he's working for a PRIVATE COMPANY
R1b3n4
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Sorry but you are wrong on this, you only need a TV licence IF YOU ARE WATCHING A PROGRAM AS IT IS BROADCAST, if its pre-recorded or on an on demand player you dont
