On "What makes you believe that God is real?"

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Dcrack

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1st the code is the oldest complete bible. They have recently (2012) they found 6 manuscripts that contain 45%of the new testament 5 that date to the early 2nd century and 1 that dates to the middle to end of the 1st century. Christ died around 27-33 ad so the apostles would still be alive at the found manuscript. The tora or old testament would already exist as christ spoke of theese scriptures. And yes the world is older than christianity sense christ was born 7-3 bc and was crucified arpund 27-33 ad meaning he came to the world after it aready existed. The old testament or Judaism is the beginning religion. Judaism is based on the law given to Moses. But we all fall short of the glory of God and we would never have met those requirements because how wicked humans are. So the word of God became flesh and was sacrificed that is why he is the lamb of god,.
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Gives free will, doesn't like how that free will is being used, floods the whole world to rectify his mistake. If he is real, he sounds like a complete cunt to me.
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God did give us free will but commanded we eat not of the tree of knowledge but adam and eve did so we fell we rebelled against God. I give my kids free will but they still have commandment (rules)theyhave to follow or they get punish
 
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job.40.15-18.asv Behold now, behemoth, which I made as well as thee; He eateth grass as an ox. His bones are as tubes of brass; His limbs are like bars of iron.
The Hebrew word for behemoth means large beast and no living animals fit this description. Elephant and a hippo do not fit. Ill post later but even steven hawking says there was some type of divine workings in the big bang does not say there is a gos but admits it would be impossible with out some type of intelligent being behind it. Listen to apologetic debates you will here more biblical evidence vs dr of science
 
SweetHayz

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The knowledge came from evolution not from a faking tree. lol

My grandma always said books is knowledge.
I think coke is a good example for the tree of knowledge if you ask me.
 
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SamsonsRiddle

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SweetHayz said:
The knowledge came from evolution not from a faking tree. lol

My grandma always said books is knowledge.
I think coke is a good example for the tree of knowledge if you ask me.
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Knowledge came from god, and not from man or "evolution". Knowledge has a beginning much like everything else in the material universe, unlike your THEORY of evolution. Evolution still has no explanation on why if something came from something else, then why does the first still exist?


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But let us give the evolutionist the benefit of every consideration. Assume that, at each mutational step, there is equally as much chance for it to be good as bad. Thus, the probability for the success of each mutation is assumed to be one out of two, or one-half. Elementary statistical theory shows that the probability of 200 successive mutations being successful is then (½)200, or one chance out of 1060. The number 1060, if written out, would be "one" followed by sixty "zeros." In other words, the chance that a 200-component organism could be formed by mutation and natural selection is less than one chance out of a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion! Lest anyone think that a 200-part system is unreasonably complex, it should be noted that even a one-celled plant or animal may have millions of molecular "parts."

The evolutionist might react by saying that even though any one such mutating organism might not be successful, surely some around the world would be, especially in the 10 billion years (or 1018 seconds) of assumed earth history. Therefore, let us imagine that every one of the earth's 1014 square feet of surface harbors a billion (i.e., 109) mutating systems and that each mutation requires one-half second (actually it would take far more time than this). Each system can thus go through its 200 mutations in 100 seconds and then, if it is unsuccessful, start over for a new try. In 1018 seconds, there can, therefore, be 1018/102, or 1016, trials by each mutating system. Multiplying all these numbers together, there would be a total possible number of attempts to develop a 200-component system equal to 1014 (109) (1016), or 1039 attempts. Since the probability against the success of any one of them is 1060, it is obvious that the probability that just one of these 1039 attempts might be successful is only one out of 1060/1039, or 1021.

All this means that the chance that any kind of a 200-component integrated functioning organism could be developed by mutation and natural selection just once, anywhere in the world, in all the assumed expanse of geologic time, is less than one chance out of a billion trillion. What possible conclusion, therefore, can we derive from such considerations as this except that evolution by mutation and natural selection is mathematically and logically indefensible!



You need to do a few lines, maybe even a whole chapter out of god's word every day.
 
TBoneJack

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Padawanbater2 said:
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3avixv/serious_what_makes_you_believe_that_god_is_real/

These answers are what we'd expect.. Very shallow and not very well thought out.. Something meant for the moment, not our entire existence..

"Because I believe God showed himself to me!"

"Because my dad was an adamant atheist and he asked God for help, and he helped!"

"Because the world just doesn't make sense!"

"Because my mom had leukemia and asked for God's help, he saved her, and then the cancer returned, but she knew about it this time and felt it, he didn't choose to save her again, and she knew it, so that's why God exists!"

"I asked God to make my mom quit drinking, she quit drinking, so God exists!"

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Anybody noticing a trend?
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I believe in God, guts, and guns. In that order.

I have faith that God exists, although I don't blame others for not believing.

Is it that much harder to believe that God exists, than to believe the massive heavens just one day exploded into existence?
 
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757growin

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undercovergrow said:
using your example:
suppose before your ocean excursion, someone had told you to put on a life vest because it could save your life if the current pulls you too far out. you think it foolish to wear it as it will impede your experience of the ocean so you refuse it. as you are already aware, in that moment of near-drowning, you were willing to grab on to anything to save your life--even at the expense of your friend's life--and probably wished you had a life jacket. that is what Jesus Christ is: He is your life vest. now is the time to put Him on. James 4:14 ...for what is your life? it is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away.

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there is a Creator. creation itself declares it. Psalm 19:1. Romans 1:20 says that His invisible attributes are clearly seen since the creation of the world so that no one is without excuse. Psalm 14:1 says a fool has said in his heart there is no God.
the Bible says there is no greater love than for a man to lay down his life for another. John 15:3 we know this is definitely true--we hear last Father's Day of a man who lost his life trying to save his son who was drowning, along with the son's older friend who also tried to save the young boy; all three died. that father showed the ultimate expression of love in trying to save his son and the other young boy.
just as that father was willing to do for his child, our Creator was willing to die for His creation. as hard as it is to believe there is a God, it takes more faith to believe there isn't a God. the original curse in the Garden explains the evils of this world. it explains the slow death we are all experiencing. Hebrews 9:27 states that it is appointed unto man to die, and after that judgment.
that's why 1 Peter 5:8 says our adversary (Satan in Hebrew) prowls around like a roaring lion looking for whom he may devour. that's why Ephesians 6:16-17 speaks of putting on the whole armor of God. because we have an enemy who is seeking to destroy us. there is a supernatural world, whether we want to believe it or not.

...so what makes me believe in God? Creation. The Bible/Prophecy. DNA. Mathematics. Love.

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Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. if you're reading this thread, you should consider He is knocking...answer it.

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Except a life jacket would actually save his life. Pray to Jesus or whoever you want to won't do much good. Probably help you sink quicker. Instead remembering bible school lessons should of been at swim lessons. Actual preparation for life is much more useful. Like packing a swim vest.
 
SweetHayz

SweetHayz

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SamsonsRiddle said:
Knowledge came from god, and not from man or "evolution". Knowledge has a beginning much like everything else in the material universe, unlike your THEORY of evolution. Evolution still has no explanation on why if something came from something else, then why does the first still exist?
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Unlike your THEORY of god's existence. Science supply you with facts, unlike religion with fairy tales.
Evolution does not always involve mutation. You go Wikipedia and find definition for the word "mutation" and the word "evolution". As far as i'm concerned you are talking about Darvin's theory that humans came from monkeys which is totally wrong because humans and monkeys are completely difference species.
Perhaps unlike you, I don't believe in foolish theories and fairy tales. I look for explanation.
There is things that humans haven't yet found explanations to (like the universe and many other things), maybe we will never find the explanation withing our entire species life span. That doesn't mean god is the explanation. God is the explanation to blind people, to stupid people with limited thoughts. God is the explanation for people that seek no explanation.
The structure of our genetic codes are changing with each next generation depending on the life we live. That is evolution. It does not affect us as in mutation. We just adapt to new ways of living.

SamsonsRiddle said:
You need to do a few lines, maybe even a whole chapter out of god's word every day
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If i wanted to read fairy tales, i'd read Twilight instead.

Let me cite something:

A lack of knowledge of the natural world was easily the Bible writers' Achilles' heel and was already apparent in just the book's first five verses. Take what the author(s) says about night and day in the Book of Genesis, chapter one, verses 4 and 5 (KJV), for instance:

4) "And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness." 5) "And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

The problem is light would've already been divided from darkness before verse 4 just by the mere presence of the Earth, which was supposedly created in verse 1. Whereas the side of the planet facing the Sun basks in light, the Earth's mass automatically blocks that same light from reaching the other side thus keeping that side shrouded in darkness. The only way for each side to experience both would be for the planet to rotate.

In other words, whoever wrote the first five verses was obviously unaware that the reason for light and darkness was because the Earth rotated on its axis. If those lines had actually been written or influenced by a supernatural being that actually did create the Sun and the Earth we'd expect chapter one, verses 4 and 5, to go something like this:

4) "And God saw the light, that it was good; and God then made the Earth spin so that the entire surface of the Earth would experience a period of light and a period of darkness during each rotation. (5) God called the time it took for the Earth to make one rotation one day."

The discrepancy is enough in and of itself to negate the credibility of the biblical account of how the solar system was formed. So essentially the Bible debunks itself within just its first five verses.

The sheer vastness of the universe alone belies any notion that the solar system was created the way the Bible says it was. When you come down to it, all you need for human life to exist is just one star like the Sun and one planet like the Earth. That's it! So why would some sort of supernatural being then create hundreds of billions of galaxies with hundreds of billions of stars and trillions and trillions of planets when all he ever really needed to create was just one star and one planet?

The answer of course is because the Earth and the Sun weren't created by some sort of supreme supernatural being at all but were the result of natural processes instead.
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Back in the days when humans wrote your stupid bible they still believed earth was flat.
 
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Did I just get my first post deleted?? A YouTube video??? Of all the shit that's posted in here, you delete this?? It's a freakin' TV show. Well here, delete it again!!
 
undercovergrow

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757growin said:
Except a life jacket would actually save his life. Pray to Jesus or whoever you want to won't do much good. Probably help you sink quicker. Instead remembering bible school lessons should of been at swim lessons. Actual preparation for life is much more useful. Like packing a swim vest.
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it was more of an allegory to illustrate Who Jesus is and how He saves, not an actual example of what to do when drowning.
 
undercovergrow

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757growin said:
I understood what you were saying. And all I was saying was real life preparation is much more valuable use of time.
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that is what this life is for: preparation for what comes next. we have this life to identify the Way, Truth, and Life solely for our next life.

ETA: i have told my son since he was 8 years old that he was making decisions that were going to effect him for the rest of his life; he didn't understand what i meant. when he was 13, i told him again he was making decisions that were going to have lasting effects; he understood a little better. when he was 16 though, he did understand what i had meant all along. we are all making decisions today that will effect our eternity.
 
SamsonsRiddle

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SweetHayz said:
Unlike your THEORY of god's existence. Science supply you with facts, unlike religion with fairy tales.
Evolution does not always involve mutation. You go Wikipedia and find definition for the word "mutation" and the word "evolution". As far as i'm concerned you are talking about Darvin's theory that humans came from monkeys which is totally wrong because humans and monkeys are completely difference species.
Perhaps unlike you, I don't believe in foolish theories and fairy tales. I look for explanation.
There is things that humans haven't yet found explanations to (like the universe and many other things), maybe we will never find the explanation withing our entire species life span. That doesn't mean god is the explanation. God is the explanation to blind people, to stupid people with limited thoughts. God is the explanation for people that seek no explanation.
The structure of our genetic codes are changing with each next generation depending on the life we live. That is evolution. It does not affect us as in mutation. We just adapt to new ways of living.


If i wanted to read fairy tales, i'd read Twilight instead.

Let me cite something:



Back in the days when humans wrote your stupid bible they still believed earth was flat.
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The Bible indicates that the earth is round. Consider Isaiah 40:22 which mentions the “circle of the earth.” This description is certainly fitting—particularly when the earth is viewed from space; the earth always appears as a circle since it is round.

Another verse that indicates the spherical nature of our planet is Job 26:10. This verse teaches that God has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters at the boundary of light and darkness. This boundary between light and darkness (day and night) is called the “terminator” since the light stops or “terminates” there. Someone standing on the terminator would be experiencing either a sunrise or a sunset; they are going from day to night or from night to day. The terminator is always a circle, because the earth is round.

I don't know where you get your "facts" from but most of the shit in your posts about what God's Word says is completely inaccurate.

Also, you look at it materially when it is a spiritual book. If you look where god created the light and the dark it is not talking about material light and dark, but good and evil. It's called symbolism. Maybe you need to study the bible more before you argue against what it "says".
 
Padawanbater2

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TBoneJack said:
Is it that much harder to believe that God exists, than to believe the massive heavens just one day exploded into existence?
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I don't choose my beliefs. It's not like I can just choose one over the other.. One has evidence to support it, the other requires faith; belief without evidence. I can no more believe in something that doesn't have evidence than I can fly or breathe under water
 
TBoneJack

TBoneJack

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Padawanbater2 said:
I don't choose my beliefs. It's not like I can just choose one over the other.. One has evidence to support it, the other requires faith; belief without evidence. I can no more believe in something that doesn't have evidence than I can fly or breathe under water
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Your post makes sense. However, I can believe some things on faith. Or at least not completely discount them in the absence of undeniable proof one way or the other. That can be dangerous, I know.

I see us as ants (size-wise and smarts-wise) in a universe so big and complex that we can't truly comprehend. And yet people are so sure that God cannot exist.

I've never seen God. Neither have I heard him. But in my view of the vast unknown out there, I certainly can't say he doesn't exist. And in fact, for the most part (though I have some reasonable doubts), I believe in Him.

Your point is well-taken: there is no proof that God exists. But to me there is so much we don't yet know or understand.
 
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