UncleBuck
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i think they have stupidity quotas.
Seattle sees fallout from $15 minimum wage, as other cities follow suit
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see4
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see4
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So let's be clear on this this opinion blog post you just presented to us as factual information.
The date of the blog entry is May 28, 2014, and the article claims that SeaTac raised minimum to $15/hr a year prior, making that May of 2013, long before the minimum wage across the state was discussed.
Furthermore, the blog article author claims that she lost tips due to her wage increase. That is certainly a curious statement, as we all know tips have absolutely nothing to do with wages in the service industry. So I'm going to call bullshit on that statement. And if she's bullshitting us about that, what else is she not being honest about in this blog post of hers?
I'm going to go out on a limb and call this entire blog post you cited, bullshit.
nitro harley
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It sounds like Tips are part of workers wages,
http://www.restaurantbusinessonline.com/operations/legislation-regulation/taking-credit
Starting Dec. 31, 2015, Rosenstein and restaurant operators throughout New York state will pay $2.50 more an hour to every tipped worker. That’s when the so-called minimum “cash wage” for tipped employees will go from $5 to $7.50 an hour. Put another way, the new ruling by the state’s Department of Labor reduces the amount of customers’ tips employers can apply toward the full minimum hourly wage. Currently, New York’s tip credit is $3.75. In December, it will drop to $1.50 at the same time New York’s hourly minimum wage rate will become $9 an hour.
The restaurant industry’s system of cash wages and tip credits has become the new battleground in the fight over minimum wage increases across the country. Many states already have raised the cash wage for tipped employees higher than the federal level ($2.13 an hour), even though, on average, tipped workers earn more as a matter of practice than non-tipped hourlies.
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see4
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Stop and think for a second what you are taking out of context.
Bob is waiter and makes $3.65/hr in wages and waits on 10 tables an hour, receiving $10.00 in tips from each table. Bob makes $103.65/hr, if he is able to keep all the tips.
Susanne is a waitress and makes $15.00/hr in wages and waits on 10 tables an hour, receiving $10.00 in tips from each table. Susanne makes $115.00/hr, if she is able to keep all the tips.
The premise of the blog post, and your contention is that because Susanne now makes $15.00 an hour, the patrons of the restaurant she works now tip her less because of it.
I call bullshit.
abandonconflict
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I don't fucking tip that much.
nitro harley
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You said " as we all know tips have nothing to do with wages in the service industry" and that was no doubt bull shit.
If tipped workers are making 2.13 per hour I would say that tips have a lot to do with wages. You might want to start over.
TBoneJack
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Oh no see. This "Top Poster" award has grown so much in stature here that it should be set up and voted on by both sides. Novel concept see, I'll grant you that. And it worked. But face it: you've been so good with it that it has now outgrown being decided and awarded by just one person. It now belongs in the hands of a "Fair and Balanced" committee. Gee, that rings a bell somewhere...
I've proudly won the award twice, and for that I thank you.
see4
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Good point. Restaurants, and subsequently, state and federal laws have taken advantage of the concept of tips in order to pay their employees less.
But that as it may, employee salary and the tips they receive are in fact mutually exclusive. And therefore the premise of the blog post is moot and nonsensical. Let me try to explain it another way.
Bobby Sue makes $2.65/hr in wages and $100/hr in tips during the year of 2013.
Bobby Sue makes $15.00/hr in wages and $25/hr in tips during the year of 2014.
The logic of the blog post that you've adopted as fact is flawed since the two values are mutually exclusive. You are basically saying, because Bobby Sue now makes $15/hr she therefore gets far less in tips from her customers. On that point alone, I call bullshit.
see4
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No. Think of the award like an Oscar, you are not entitled to an award simply because you deem fit. It is a private award managed exclusively by me. If you choose to have your own awards, by all means, go right ahead!
Which two posts do you think deserve said award? I will review and provide my conclusion at a later date.
TBoneJack
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I thought I had already won twice. One time you even asked me what I was going to do, and I said "I'm going to Disney World".
And now you've forgotten? Oh, the shame on me. I thought I was finally somebody.
abandonconflict
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So you would tip less because someone had higher wages? It's not a trick question or troll attempt. I think tipping is stupid personally. I would rather people just receive a living wage. If we did like Europe and paid people a living wage, tipping would no longer be customary and I might eat out more while I'm visiting the US.
This is an interesting argument though. If you're paying so much for a meal, why also pay the server's wages?
see4
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I'm not a mind reader. Provide the posts in question and I will review.
nitro harley
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I never really ever thought it was none of my business to wonder what employee's get paid when I have dinner. If its a good dinner and the hostess was nice I will leave a good tip.
My son and his wife went to Europe earlier this summer and they said they were done going over there. And I believe my son told me that they don't tip the servers, and I thought that was odd.
I will have to google what a living wage is because I don't know. What do you think a miminum wage should be for a teenage stoner thats living with his parents?
abandonconflict
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No, tipping is not customary in Europe, and that is a good thing. I went out for dinner a few times in Portugal last year, including in the Azores and I had very good seafood, which I love. Of all the seafood I have had all over the world, it was some of the best in Portugal. The food was great, the bill wasn't particularly expensive and the service was fine.
No tipping necessary and this actually makes a meal cheaper (and likely better).
In fact, if you read something like Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell, you can come to understand why it is offensive to Europeans to leave a tip for a "server". People aren't your servants. They are your equals. Even a teenage stoner living with his parents. A living wage isn't the same in every place and time, but the people are equal.
nitro harley
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I am not against raising minimum wage. I would be embarrassed to hire someone to work for minimum wage. Not even a fifth grader to mow my lawn so we are on the same page. I just hired a neighbor kid for 30.00 ph to help me shovel rock in my driveway. He busted his ass and had blisters on both hands and ask me when am I going to get more rock. I like that kid.
I think we are past the point of no return to be honest. When the democrats in power brag about how 5% are unemployed, you would think that dam near everybody's working . So now all we got to do is quit tipping and pay them more. That sounds pretty simple. I don't go out and eat that often so I would save money, i guess.
LurchLurkin
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http://fortune.com/2015/06/11/bar-marco-no-tipping-policy/
Restaurant gets rid of tipping, triples profit in two months.
"Instead, every employee now receives a base salary of at least $35,000 (plus bonuses based on profits,) health care from date of hire, 500 shares in the business and paid vacation."
Restaurant gets rid of tipping, triples profit in two months.
"Instead, every employee now receives a base salary of at least $35,000 (plus bonuses based on profits,) health care from date of hire, 500 shares in the business and paid vacation."
LurchLurkin
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For those of you who don't know, that's ~16.83 an hour for their lowest paid worker. Forget the news, forget the government (read business) propaganda and educate yourselves. Anecdotal evidence and conjecture mean nothing, results do.
abandonconflict
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I probably cook better than what I can get in many restaurants in the US. Of all my travels, one of the best restaurants I ever had the pleasure to eat at was a place called Yusoof Afzan in Kuala Lumpur near China Town. They make mainly Arabic stuff but also amazing Indian food. Anyway, I left a tip on the table and the guy who had served my food followed me out to give me the money that I left behind. I tipped the equivalent of $5 US, which was almost double what I paid for the best meal I have ever had. That guy probably makes $50 US per week.
I would gladly pay 30 dollars for some of that lamb masala right now with some bryani and naan bread.
NewtoMJ
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Lol, it was a joke reference to reservoir dogs. I don't have an opinion on tipping either way.