Seattle sees fallout from $15 minimum wage, as other cities follow suit

[mollymcgrammar]

so you're saying building will stop if we pay carpenters $15 an hour?

No, alot of carpenters make that now. Im saying if 15$ an hour becomes the standard entry level no skill wage, skilled people will want raises. As they should. If they dont get a raise, they might strike... In which case yes, building will stop. Also, people wont look at carpenty as a successful career because they can earn just as much with alot less effort.

The demand for contractors will be higher than the the amount of qualified workers and either they will get raises (therefore the cost of service goes up, raising the cost of property, and property maintenance, which in turn leads to higher rental values) or the infrastructure will suffer greatly.

You still have not answered my question. How is it right for no skill workers to earn what skilled workers earn?

Why is 15 an hour the magic number?

I worked at an olive garden for 18 months as a server, my hourly rate was 2.86 per hour. Ive also worked quite a few low wage jobs... Yeah it sucks but the solution was to learn a skill, not cry about how my job didnt pay enough.

 

[mollymcgrammar]

I'm a precision machinist. No, and No.

If all of your feild was paid minimum wage, would they share your feelings?

 

[Flaming Pie]

$15 an hour doesn't mean there is no money in it, it means there is $15 an hour in it.

dammit buck! quit changing your avatar!

 

[Red1966]

If all of your feild was paid minimum wage, would they share your feelings?

Everybody I've met would. Many pay good money to learn the trade in schools, but find that certificate only gets them in the door. The good money only comes with experience.

 

[mollymcgrammar]

UncleBuck you are a fool if you think that the unskilled deserve equal pay to the men and women that build our country.

Liberalism and Communism are becoming quite similar. I get that its not right for anyone with a full time job to need welfare. In fact i believe that companies have a duty to make their products as affordable as possible and pay their workers a good living.

That's why i am upset by the prospect of a 15$ minimum wage. It will hurt me, my employees, and my clients.

It will also lead to a higher unemployment, due to small buisness's needing to layoff workers.

Buisness's will need to be much more picky about who they hire.

 

[mollymcgrammar]

Everybody I've met would. Many pay good money to learn the trade in schools, but find that certificate only gets them in the door. The good money only comes with experience.

Exactly, i know a handful of people who have finished Job Corps programs (department of labor operated trade school) just to find out that they still need to work their way up from the bottom.

With UncleBucks logic, they are better off skipping trade school for an illustrious career as a busboy at their local diner.

 

[bearkat42]

UncleBuck you are a fool if you think that the unskilled deserve equal pay to the men and women that build our country.

Liberalism and Communism are becoming quite similar. I get that its not right for anyone with a full time job to need welfare. In fact i believe that companies have a duty to make their products as affordable as possible and pay their workers a good living.

That's why i am upset by the prospect of a 15$ minimum wage. It will hurt me, my employees, and my clients.

It will also lead to a higher unemployment, due to small buisness's needing to layoff workers.

Buisness's will need to be much more picky about who they hire.

I think that you're a little confused as to who REALLY built this country, chief. #BLACKLIVESMATTER

 

[mollymcgrammar]

I think that you're a little confused as to who REALLY built this country, chief. #BLACKLIVESMATTER

Well... Us irish folks built it of course.

 

[mollymcgrammar]

I think that you're a little confused as to who REALLY built this country, chief. #BLACKLIVESMATTER

By the way, what does race have to do with anything on this subject?

 

[bearkat42]

By the way, what does race have to do with anything on this subject?

Race? Who mentioned race? #BLACKLIVESMATTER

 

[Red1966]

Exactly, i know a handful of people who have finished Job Corps programs (department of labor operated trade school) just to find out that they still need to work their way up from the bottom.

With UncleBucks logic, they are better off skipping trade school for an illustrious career as a busboy at their local diner.

A friend signed up for Job Corps. They took her and several other girls to to the "training site". She got off the bus and saw the barbed wire and fences surrounding the place, thought "This looks like a concentration camp". She took off running and never went back. Remember CETA? They had a facility in the same block where I was once employed. Local news paper did research and found that only three out of 100 students kept a job more than 60 days after graduating. Not for lack of employers, but because welfare trash are called welfare trash for a reason.

 

[Red1966]

By the way, what does race have to do with anything on this subject?

Libtards call anyone disagreeing with them "racist" when they can't defend their positions.

 

[mollymcgrammar]

Libtards call anyone disagreeing with them "racist" when they can't defend their positions.

What they dont know, is that slaves had a value. The irish were worthless. The conditions on the ships that brought immigrants during the famine were way worse than slave ships. Some of those ships had 1/3rd of the people on board die in transit.

When they got here they were hated and were only able to find the lowest paying labor jobs. They built the railroads, worked the mines, built houses, and so on for far less pay than "whites"

I could go on all night about how fucked up my ancestors were treated, but ill spare you the reading

Black slaves were treated horribly, but they were a commodity and worth money. Yes, some slaves were beaten and abused but more often than not they were taken care of. Healthy slaves were capable of more work.

The ones that tried to run away were usually killed or tortured, but again, if a slave worked hard he or she would have more often than not been taken care of.

Slavery is wrong.... But its over now, until some guy tries to trade you for a fat cow, lets just remember it as a fucked up part of American history.

 

[UncleBuck]

It will also lead to a higher unemployment.

so you've dropped the "cost of goods will rise!" canard because it has absolutely no basis in realit, and now you've moved onto the next talking point.

iLOL.

there is no correlation.

 

[UncleBuck]

Libtards call anyone disagreeing with them "racist" when they can't defend their positions.

or when they say appallingly racist shit like you do.

 

[UncleBuck]

What they dont know, is that slaves had a value. The irish were worthless. The conditions on the ships that brought immigrants during the famine were way worse than slave ships. Some of those ships had 1/3rd of the people on board die in transit.

When they got here they were hated and were only able to find the lowest paying labor jobs. They built the railroads, worked the mines, built houses, and so on for far less pay than "whites"

I could go on all night about how fucked up my ancestors were treated, but ill spare you the reading

Black slaves were treated horribly, but they were a commodity and worth money. Yes, some slaves were beaten and abused but more often than not they were taken care of. Healthy slaves were capable of more work.

The ones that tried to run away were usually killed or tortured, but again, if a slave worked hard he or she would have more often than not been taken care of.

Slavery is wrong.... But its over now, until some guy tries to trade you for a fat cow, lets just remember it as a fucked up part of American history.

well holy fucking shit.

do not become a history teacher.

 

[Flaming Pie]

What is better?

Being a slave or being oppressed. One is worse than the other.

 

[Grandpapy]

Remember CETA? They had a facility in the same block where I was once employed. Local news paper did research and found that only three out of 100 students kept a job more than 60 days after graduating. Not for lack of employers, but because welfare trash are called welfare trash for a reason.

Wrong.
Mostly Corp fraud.
My testimony in Washington DC helped shut down that day labor camp, there was no training.

 

[bearkat42]

What they dont know, is that slaves had a value. The irish were worthless. The conditions on the ships that brought immigrants during the famine were way worse than slave ships. Some of those ships had 1/3rd of the people on board die in transit.

When they got here they were hated and were only able to find the lowest paying labor jobs. They built the railroads, worked the mines, built houses, and so on for far less pay than "whites"

I could go on all night about how fucked up my ancestors were treated, but ill spare you the reading

Black slaves were treated horribly, but they were a commodity and worth money. Yes, some slaves were beaten and abused but more often than not they were taken care of. Healthy slaves were capable of more work.

The ones that tried to run away were usually killed or tortured, but again, if a slave worked hard he or she would have more often than not been taken care of.

Slavery is wrong.... But its over now, until some guy tries to trade you for a fat cow, lets just remember it as a fucked up part of American history.

I am literally fucking Speechless...

 

[Red1966]

Wrong.
Mostly Corp fraud.
My testimony in Washington DC helped shut down that day labor camp, there was no training.

Corp fraud? A government agency and civilian clients. Where are the corporations? Your testimony in Washington, DC? I think you might be delusional.