Wolfofpittst
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That may be true... but he has never grown with a Vipar... but he talks like he has.
VIPAR LED Review (6 months later..)
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Positivity
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Wtf!?
Side lighting, overhead lighting, and the buds are still lighter size...
if a hid guy bought that vifart he'd want to slap you upside the head with it when he was done with it.
Side lighting, overhead lighting, and the buds are still lighter size...
if a hid guy bought that vifart he'd want to slap you upside the head with it when he was done with it.
Yodaweed
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I have real LED's and HID lighting I wouldn't waste my time with garbage Chinese rebranded lights that use EPI-WHATEVER diodes, been there done that.
bicit
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We don't need to use them to know they're junk. 600w hps would bleach a plant in a 2x2. They're cheapchina crap.
Even incandescent will grow a plant given enough of them. So will 600w of cfl.
Most here use half the wattage you are for 4x the space. You're not impressing anyone. Then you call long standing members haters... great salesman
rob333
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i no its an old thread but i have some issues with vipar as well 2 days after warrenty ran up the lights failed i contacted vipar this is what they said
Hi,
We are sorry to hear you are experiencing a faulty light.
We notice that you bought the item on 2014/9/6, which mean your light is out-of warranty.
But that's ok.
Could you pls help to describle the problem more clearly.
Do you mean the whole light can not be turned on, and there is some smell?
If so, we are afraid the driver went fault.
Could you pls help to check it out?
Then we can sell you the part to fix the light.
Any other problem, pls feel free to let us know.
Thank you and best regards. just beware of vipar guys as they seem to not give a fuck about there product
rob333
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lol we can sell u the item u need lol not fix there faulty ass lights
alesh
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You agreed to buy a light with a 1 year warranty. You've had your lights for more than a year. What's the problem here?
You get what you pay for.
rob333
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every place i have brought from even if it passes the 1 year or even 3 they will just replace as they want u to buy from them and also to keep u happy so u keep buying well way i thought things run
JimmyIndica
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Vipar LED ,Platinum and whatever other names they use? Still suck and not worth the price in scrap metal! GARBAGE.....
They will suck 6 months from now also..
And a year from now...
They will suck 6 months from now also..
And a year from now...
alesh
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I don't think that this company knows something like repeat customers.
JimmyIndica
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Clue#1 Amazon Reviews.
Puff_Dragon
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Hi all, I'll post a grow journal+pics (once finished) but i thought i'd chime in to say I'm using the Vipar 864w COB led grow light ..and it is rocking it so far (best light i've had). I only mention it as i've found NO info on it online (apart from ebay).
Ok, so we're still in veg but compared to the mars2 (600watt) i had before the plants are praying and growing like no-ones business. I currently have 8 plants under it in a 1 meter approx. square tent (yes its a little packed in there), however the light 'fits' the tent sooo well. I got it for £220 (they normally cost £389 but the company sometimes does auctions with no reserve so you cn get a deal).
Ok, so we're still in veg but compared to the mars2 (600watt) i had before the plants are praying and growing like no-ones business. I currently have 8 plants under it in a 1 meter approx. square tent (yes its a little packed in there), however the light 'fits' the tent sooo well. I got it for £220 (they normally cost £389 but the company sometimes does auctions with no reserve so you cn get a deal).
GroErr
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Actually they do apparently, there seem to be enough people buying them based on price alone. Besides, by the time the first one's break and they go to buy another one on price, Vipar will have changed the company name to something else, altered their marketing spin (like the "new" "COB" version - lol), and someone will buy that one because it's cheap. These Chinese LED marketers are rip off artists, but they're not stupid, that falls on the customers, particularly repeat customers.
I've heard the "these are great lights" line many times for these Chinese epi-LED's, funny thing is it seems to always be from one of these categories:
They haven't flowered with them yet
They're comparing them to the CFL's they upgraded from
They've never used any real lights like hps, CMH, or real LED's like COBs or a select group of diode-based manufacturers a la A51
The other glaring thing I've seen over and over is these epi-LED journals pop-up, pics and all kinds of praise during veg and early flower... then nothing, no final harvest pics, weigh-ins, nothing. Weird...
I've seen harvest reports. But, they're running 50-70w/sq ft. (One was 90w/sq ft). At that point, why not use HPS?
Also, some people don't care that they're not getting dense nuggets. They grow their own meds and it's good enough for that.
That's what's sensitive about this topic. The 90w guy doesn't care that he's running HPS through LEDs. The self-med guy doesn't care that his buds aren't "trophy." It's hard to talk about this topic without triggering both of them.
But, there is a third class of person who bought the epi-whatever for efficiency. They're the ones I'm concerned about (catching them before they are disappointed.).
frica
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I wouldn't be too concerned about the third class of people who buy epi-shit for efficiency.
They will be disappointed, but they will also learn how to do research so they won't be disappointed again.
It's the 90 watt guys I am concerned about because they keep paying scam artists and are essentially throwing away money/resources.
They're also the people who recommend those shit lights and make others disappointed.
They will be disappointed, but they will also learn how to do research so they won't be disappointed again.
It's the 90 watt guys I am concerned about because they keep paying scam artists and are essentially throwing away money/resources.
They're also the people who recommend those shit lights and make others disappointed.
hillbill
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Had a viper or evergrow or whatever name is marketing them. It was called a 5w 300 watt light. It did very well but at 172 watts kick in' 60 diodes, it covered about 60% of what my sgs did at 155 watts. The diodes were all 3 chip affairs. Lost 2 blue diodes in separate modules. After 10 months and was told to send to ocean revive for repair and got it back in about 3 wks complete with 1 green diode.
While these lights will work for awhile, they are intense, and run pretty warm also. If your tempted by cheap LEDs, just use hps until you can get one of the first quality lights that are being talked about at RIU. Second and third tier lights are usually NOT superior to hps and are not much more efficient if at all.
If you must, start with a smaller Tasty or A51 w90 or two. Good growing!
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While these lights will work for awhile, they are intense, and run pretty warm also. If your tempted by cheap LEDs, just use hps until you can get one of the first quality lights that are being talked about at RIU. Second and third tier lights are usually NOT superior to hps and are not much more efficient if at all.
If you must, start with a smaller Tasty or A51 w90 or two. Good growing!
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GroErr
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Good points, I threw those kind of numbers at them about 3 years ago in a last attempt at getting some production from them and tripled my weight watt-for-watt in the exact same environment and clones when I switched to CMH. I still use the LG panels (Mars now) for vegging/clones and I like them for that. The biggest problem I have with them is these companies claiming they can flower, they can't flower worth shit, I documented it and posted it. Problem is most people can't swallow their false pride and admit they've been duped by these f'kers.
Are CMH only good for flowering not for vegging ? and which would be better from a 630 watts CMH or a 1000 Watts HPS and Why?
Thank You in Advance.
GroErr
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In the Philips Elite Agro CMH line which is what I'm specifically referring to they have 2 bulbs, I use the 3100k because I only use them for flowering and believe the spectrum is better for only flowering. They have a 4200k with some more blues which can be used for vegging or both, I've heard of good results with the 4200k straight through but haven't run the 4200's myself.
idk that you'd get the same yield from 630w vs. 1000w, more like 800 vs. 1000 would be as good, maybe better. We're seeing an average of 25% increase in production watt-for-watt vs. hps. We converted my son's grow recently and those are the numbers he's getting. They have a 210w in these, would be interesting to see 2x 315 + 1x 210w run against 1000w hps but you won't see me doing it, I've already seen what they do, after 1 1/2 years with these I'd never consider running hps.
One key benefit besides being able to run lower wattage or increase production using the same wattage is they run a hell of a lot cooler than hps. More like between LED and hps for heat. In my relatively small room running 2x 315 watt Sun Systems hoods (no special cooling, the hoods don't even have vents) I manage temps with 4" incoming and exhaust inline fans. Most of the time other than mid-summer on their lowest settings.