Trudeau would start legalizing pot 'right away'

[Gmack420]

I'd happily pay extra to have the guarantee I wouldn't end up in one of the new Harpco hotels over a dime bag.

My freedom is priceless.

Besides, I'd grow my own and wouldn't sell it.

You sound like a rec user not a medical patient. Cost matters. Period.

 

[ricky1lung]

You sound like a rec user not a medical patient. Cost matters. Period.

Yes I'm rec. Gmack, we've been down the supply and demand road together already. Legal market opens up competition. As the market is flooded with legal producers and importers prices will go down for everyone.

Your making alot of assumptions there. Why do you assume with legalization, you will be able to grow your own? Even if your sick?
I strongly believe the MMPR is a model of Trudeau's legalization.

If the plant is legal they cannot tell you that you can't grow it. Just like potatoes, making beer or even growing tobacco.

 

[doingdishes]

Yes I'm rec. Gmack, we've been down the supply and demand road together already. Legal market opens up competition. As the market is flooded with legal producers and importers prices will go down for everyone.



If the plant is legal they cannot tell you that you can't grow it. Just like potatoes, making beer or even growing tobacco.

medical and recreational are VERY different. we as patients rely on MMJ daily to be able to function in society. without it, we would be on drugs that are far worse than MMJ. most of us would be zombies from the pharma.
when you talk about paying the legal price, you miss the plot. I can not afford to pay rec or LP prices so I can be fully medicated. i have a 14/day script and that would be $4200 a month at $10/g...I don't have that kind of $$ but if they allow home grows or DGs for med patients, the cost goes down to pennies a gram.
the rec market is just that...it's for people who WANT it so they are willing to pay for that privilege.
in my life, it's a need not a want

 

[Gmack420]

Yes I'm rec. Gmack, we've been down the supply and demand road together already. Legal market opens up competition. As the market is flooded with legal producers and importers prices will go down for everyone.



If the plant is legal they cannot tell you that you can't grow it. Just like potatoes, making beer or even growing tobacco.

No look at the legal states in the us legal market means $20 grams not this prices got down shit. Jt aka Harper lite has no plans to let you or anyone other then his buddy's grow it if he's elected. Educate yourself. It's not ever going to be grown freely like potatoes. Say so shows how out of touch you are with reality.

 

[redi jedi]

Yes I'm rec. Gmack, we've been down the supply and demand road together already. Legal market opens up competition. As the market is flooded with legal producers and importers prices will go down for everyone.



If the plant is legal they cannot tell you that you can't grow it. Just like potatoes, making beer or even growing tobacco.

Ya you would think that's how it should work, but the government is involved so...

 

[ricky1lung]

medical and recreational are VERY different. we as patients rely on MMJ daily to be able to function in society. without it, we would be on drugs that are far worse than MMJ. most of us would be zombies from the pharma.
when you talk about paying the legal price, you miss the plot. I can not afford to pay rec or LP prices so I can be fully medicated. i have a 14/day script and that would be $4200 a month at $10/g...I don't have that kind of $$ but if they allow home grows or DGs for med patients, the cost goes down to pennies a gram.
the rec market is just that...it's for people who WANT it so they are willing to pay for that privilege.
in my life, it's a need not a want

I understand the predicament med users are in, and I respect the fight you've all had to endure. Seriously, I feel for you but thank you all for paving the way.

But everyone needs to remember the supply and demand chain, the med scene has literally no competitors, a rec scene introduced to the market will allow an explosion of producers for everyone to choose from. It will bring prices down.

The only worrisome part as I can see it would be taxation and what it would do to pricing. Each producer will lower costs to compete for your cash, but as always the tax man will be there with a hand in your pocket too.

But legal is legal and med users will be able to grow their own and keep their money in their pockets.

Legalization is a win for everyone but the dealers.

 

[ricky1lung]

No look at the legal states in the us legal market means $20 grams not this prices got down shit. Jt aka Harper lite has no plans to let you or anyone other then his buddy's grow it if he's elected. Educate yourself. It's not ever going to be grown freely like potatoes. Say so shows how out of touch you are with reality.

Gmack, no need to tell me to educate myself and start being rude.
Have I been anything but respectful to you? Do I come across as a stupid person in need of education?

We don't live in the states or have their laws. Do people grow their own in the states Gmack? Yes they do, some people choose to buy it.

I gave examples of other controlled substances in Canada like booze and cigs and how the laws are with them. Why would weed be any different considering the legalities?

 

[redi jedi]

But everyone needs to remember the supply and demand chain, the med scene has literally no competitors, a rec scene introduced to the market will allow an explosion of producers for everyone to choose from. It will bring prices down.

The only worrisome part as I can see it would be taxation and what it would do to pricing. Each producer will lower costs to compete for your cash, but as always the tax man will be there with a hand in your pocket too.

But legal is legal and med users will be able to grow their own and keep their money in their pockets.

Legalization is a win for everyone but the dealers.

Explosion of producers? Seen the numbers on the MMPR lately? 1100 applications..26 approved.

Legal will not be the legal we think it should be...

 

[ricky1lung]

Explosion of producers? Seen the numbers on the MMPR lately? 1100 applications..26 approved.

Legal will not be the legal we think it should be...

It's up to HC to approve!!!
When it's no longer up to HC more producers will enter the market.

I'm not sure why I'm arguing or even having to explain the principals of supply and demand or legal vs illegal.

26 players in the market you say? Right, that's an extremely exclusive membership. What happens when the other 1074 players are allowed to legally join the market

 

[Gmack420]

Gmack, no need to tell me to educate myself and start being rude.
Have I been anything but respectful to you? Do I come across as a stupid person in need of education?

We don't live in the states or have their laws. Do people grow their own in the states Gmack? Yes they do, some people choose to buy it.

I gave examples of other controlled substances in Canada like booze and cigs and how the laws are with them. Why would weed be any different considering the legalities?

You're in the medical section and preaching that we should be happy and great ful with a highly controlled and expensive rec Market. You're not going to get any nicer responses from me on this subject. Why would weed be any different? Well like I said educate yourself. Alcohol kills tobacco kills. Weed has never killed anyone ever. Therefore the argument it should be treated the same as deadly substances like alcohol and tobacco is bullshit.

 

[driel]

Legal will be legal if they don't try to restrict production, thats the key. Health Canada seems to be dragging it's feet when it comes to certifying a grow. Those guys are also trying to protect their investment by lobbying to not change the system so they can be the sole producers/providers driving the cost to what it is now which is more than what it costs from a farmer by a large margin. Taking away medical patients right to grow was the biggest blow to keeping costs down in the short term. Whats the current situation for MMJ card holders in Canada for growing because I thought some court decided that taking away growing rights from people already holding a hard was wrong.

 

[ricky1lung]

You're in the medical section and preaching that we should be happy and great ful with a highly controlled and expensive rec Market. You're not going to get any nicer responses from me on this subject. Why would weed be any different? Well like I said educate yourself. Alcohol kills tobacco kills. Weed has never killed anyone ever. Therefore the argument it should be treated the same as deadly substances like alcohol and tobacco is bullshit.

I never once said you should be grateful for your current situation.
I'll tell you what Gmack, ride the short bus to the nearest education centre near you so you can learn the basic principles of supply and demand, legal vs illegal.

I can be a dick too.

 

[doingdishes]

you're talking about rec use to patients...there's a real discourse there.
legal means a lot higher prices due to high taxes on it. i bought in Washington and i paid $100 for 1/8!! we bought some other stuff at $23/g. no way a patient can afford that.
if we get our grows back-well we can amend addresses-then i for one will be able to afford my meds...but until then i will get by with only a few grams a day. i can't wait for Oct 20 and hoping that Harper hasn't snowed too many and he stays in power.

 

[redi jedi]

It's up to HC to approve!!!
When it's no longer up to HC more producers will enter the market.

I'm not sure why I'm arguing or even having to explain the principals of supply and demand or legal vs illegal.

26 players in the market you say? Right, that's an extremely exclusive membership. What happens when the other 1074 players are allowed to legally join the market

Who do you think will be handing out the golden tickets? If not HC, it will be some other governing body.

Im not arguing supply and demand in a true free market.

Im arguing that it wont be a true free market...where anyone can do business and not just be a customer.

 

[ricky1lung]

you're talking about rec use to patients...there's a real discourse there.
legal means a lot higher prices due to high taxes on it. i bought in Washington and i paid $100 for 1/8!! we bought some other stuff at $23/g. no way a patient can afford that.
if we get our grows back-well we can amend addresses-then i for one will be able to afford my meds...but until then i will get by with only a few grams a day. i can't wait for Oct 20 and hoping that Harper hasn't snowed too many and he stays in power.

When it's legal they can't tell you it's illegal to grow a legal plant anymore.

 

[Gmack420]

I never once said you should be grateful for your current situation.
I'll tell you what Gmack, ride the short bus to the nearest education centre near you so you can learn the basic principles of supply and demand, legal vs illegal.

I can be a dick too.

Look this supply and demand shit is just that shit. Go on leafly or weed maps and look at the reality of legal weed prices in Colorado that JT wants to use as Canadas template for legalization. Fuck that noise.

 

[doingdishes]

When it's legal they can't tell you it's illegal to grow a legal plant anymore.

i would love agree but don't they saying growing poppies or morning glories is illegal?
yes, i am stirring the pot.
if legal comes in, i can only wonder what will happen. if they can make it cheaper and better to buy their stuff, i'll look at it.
i can't make vodka safely and as cheap as i can get it from a liquor store so i will buy it from there (i would if i drank) but looking at the current situation with LP stuff, that idea scares me.

 

[Gmack420]

I never once said you should be grateful for your current situation.
I'll tell you what Gmack, ride the short bus to the nearest education centre near you so you can learn the basic principles of supply and demand, legal vs illegal.

I can be a dick too.

You just don't get it. It's ok when you get sick and need it in the future maybe you'll understand.

 

[Gmack420]

When it's legal they can't tell you it's illegal to grow a legal plant anymore.

Wrong

 

[driel]

Im curious why you say wrong for legalization resulting in easier production. They tax alcohol but that doesn't stop my dad from producing liters and liters of his home grown fruit that he ferments into some weird liquor that he likes.